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CommieGIR posted:It may take them a while, but can almost guarantee they can get a court to side with them, especially since Twitter's lawyers were no doubt documenting his half-assed attempts to undermine the deal.
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cat botherer posted:If it winds up going to a jury, all it takes is one bazinga for Musk to win. That's literally what happened in the pedo-guy defamation case. I don't think its gonna be a jury case. Also suspect Twitter has better lawyers, as well as that very nice binding agreement Musk signed. Specifically, they are going to the Court of Chancery in Delware, which does not sit with a jury normally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_Court_of_Chancery quote:The Court sits without a jury. All issues of fact are determined by the presiding Chancellor or Vice Chancellor. The Court has the discretion to appoint an advisory jury if it so desires, but this power is practically never exercised. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jul 9, 2022 |
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It's not a jury issue and the purchase agreement he signed was basically the stupidest thing he could have signed if he didn't want to buy Twitter. He'll be lucky if he just gets away with paying them the billion dollars.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Anyone have a good source on democratic planning around roe v Wade? What are the next steps? latest reporting has it that by asking that question, you are currently exactly where the Biden White House is, for what it's worth there does not appear to be a plan at the moment beyond sending fundraising emails and telling voters "ball's in your court, we're not doing poo poo" in slightly kinder words (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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This story, and the upcoming Supreme Court case that could give total control over federal elections to the states has got me thinking. Republicans write election law to disenfranchise Democrat voters, making it much harder for Democrats to win. If that SCOTUS case does turn out how one would expect, then the Republicans can make it virtually impossible for Democrats to win in red states. As soon as Republicans take power in purple states they'll change the elections there too, turning purple states into red states. The Democrat plan is to keep the presidency forever and appoint leftish Justices as vacancies to SCOTUS come up. But by 2028 it seems pretty likely that it will be virtually impossible for Democrats to take the Senate and at least extremely difficult for them to take the presidency. And that's pretty much locked in, there's nothing the Democrats can or are willing to do about it. It really looks to me like we're going to enter an era of Republican rule for the next few decades. I don't want that to be the case, but I see no way around it. Is there anything I'm missing? https://twitter.com/MollyBeck/status/1545395474437373954?s=20&t=FFSImCEe7GTb_GslS_3xWw
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Voting has been massively more restricted for most of the last century than it is even now and somehow that has not ended things.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Voting has been massively more restricted for most of the last century than it is even now and somehow that has not ended things. for most of the last century the two major political parties were loose coalitions of regional special interests with little to no incentive to align ideologically with one another. over the past 30 years this has ceased to be the case. not only are there are political parties, they have achieved an ideological sortition on a national level that transcends local political demands, and they are irreconcilably opposed to one anothers' agendas. no matter how much the Democrats would love to pretend otherwise. the founding fathers called very few shots, but they were correct when they said that this is what a failure state for their experiment would look like.
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Do the text messages next. There have been over 8 billion auto warranty calls generated from just two people and their partners since 2018. quote:FCC orders carriers to stop delivering auto warranty robocalls https://twitter.com/DomPachino101/status/1545546686281355264 https://twitter.com/FCC/status/1545177246603804673
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It's awesome that 2 people can harass an entire nation for literal years. edit: In before "...but enough about [person]"
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Willa Rogers posted:I'm thinking it's more likely that her sexuality would come into play under a Dem president but maybe not under a GOP president, and the Russians took that into account. Our civilian prison system doesn't use penal colonies, as far as I know. It could be argued that our military detention system does, depending on what you would consider a colony, and whether you consider exclusive use for detention a necessity, but it could, for example, apply to Guantanamo Bay.
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i get 20 spam calls a week minimum even on a new number and i have started to think of it as an outward reminder i live in a dying country. this degree of regulatory paralysis and helplessness for so long. how many years has "we've been trying to reach you about ur car's extended warranty" been a meme
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Jaxyon posted:It's awesome that 2 people can harass an entire nation for literal years. I haven't read about this but I'm guessing they got away with it so much for so long because of features of the phone system that were designed in the days of analog landlines and had to be transplanted to the modern switched digital system because there are still landlines it has to talk to
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Kavros posted:i get 20 spam calls a week minimum even on a new number and i have started to think of it as an outward reminder i live in a dying country. this degree of regulatory paralysis and helplessness for so long. how many years has "we've been trying to reach you about ur car's extended warranty" been a meme It's not an American problem; the companies doing this operate through overseas entities, and they operate globally. The US gets hit hard because we've got a population with money and means to be scammed.
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Discendo Vox posted:It's not an American problem; the companies doing this operate through overseas entities, and they operate globally. The US gets hit hard because we've got a population with money and means to be scammed. Why don’t the carriers do more about it? Or, as they won’t, why can’t congress take action to hold them accountable, or at least to offer remedies and compensation to the scammed? If they could not do any of these things it sounds like it would be due to American issues here in America.
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Discendo Vox posted:It's not an American problem; the companies doing this operate through overseas entities, and they operate globally. The US gets hit hard because we've got a population with money and means to be scammed. i guess that makes me feel a little bit better about it but it does imply that, absent any genuine ability to contain abuses like this, the standard call system will phase out from general use
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CommieGIR posted:What, let Trump buy Twitter?
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For example, one thing that could be done to curtail auto warranty scams could be to offer public auto insurance as several Canadian provinces do (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_auto_insurance). Couldn’t the government pursue universal public auto insurance as a way to shut down auto insurance scams? For a country so dependent on automobility it might make a lot of sense.
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Koos Group posted:Our civilian prison system doesn't use penal colonies, as far as I know. It could be argued that our military detention system does, depending on what you would consider a colony, and whether you consider exclusive use for detention a necessity, but it could, for example, apply to Guantanamo Bay. Prison farms are the closest American equivalent. Most Russian penal colonies don't really fit the colony definition these days.
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mawarannahr posted:Why don’t the carriers do more about it? Or, as they won’t, why can’t congress take action to hold them accountable, or at least to offer remedies and compensation to the scammed? If they could not do any of these things it sounds like it would be due to American issues here in America. The carriers can do a lot more about it, but it takes a lot of effort to filter and block them and they don't want to do it for free. This new FCC rule is basically making them refuse VOIP and automatic calls from the robocallers. They will probably try to regroup, but by making the carriers filter all calls from those blocks, once a robocallers hub gets big enough or uses the same networks enough for calls, they can identify and filter them again. It's essentially whack a mole, but makes the robocallers do a lot more work and they can't get too big.
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Kavros posted:i get 20 spam calls a week minimum even on a new number and i have started to think of it as an outward reminder i live in a dying country. this degree of regulatory paralysis and helplessness for so long. how many years has "we've been trying to reach you about ur car's extended warranty" been a meme If you think US regulatory structures are weak I have bad news for you about, like, almost the entire rest of the world.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The carriers can do a lot more about it, but it takes a lot of effort to filter and block them and they don't want to do it for free. It sounds like what I suggest happen is being done. I’m excited to see how it works out. What methods are being used to enforce this on the carriers; are there punitive fines or anything?
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mawarannahr posted:For example, one thing that could be done to curtail auto warranty scams could be to offer public auto insurance as several Canadian provinces do (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_auto_insurance). Couldn’t the government pursue universal public auto insurance as a way to shut down auto insurance scams? For a country so dependent on automobility it might make a lot of sense. ...we don't even have a public option for healthcare
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Blue Footed Booby posted:...we don't even have a public option for healthcare Yeah, but cars are more important than people
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Scipiotik posted:It's not a jury issue and the purchase agreement he signed was basically the stupidest thing he could have signed if he didn't want to buy Twitter. He'll be lucky if he just gets away with paying them the billion dollars. Yeah, I don't think you ever want to bet on Elon finally eating poo poo, but in the early analysis he supposedly signed away his right to due diligence in a part of the contract that basically noted what an extreme and special concession that was and that he should only agree if he's really really sure he wants to buy quickly, which...lol. He's hosed unless something changes. There were good arguments that they'll definitely get the billion and can probably pursue him for damage to their stock price even if they can't force him to complete the purchase.
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You're telling the thread that the Democrats have a loving plan? Kavros posted:i get 20 spam calls a week minimum even on a new number and i have started to think of it as an outward reminder i live in a dying country. this degree of regulatory paralysis and helplessness for so long. how many years has "we've been trying to reach you about ur car's extended warranty" been a meme Yeah, it's pretty loving brutal. Just putting my contact info on Indeed looking for a job has opened up the floodgates on my phone and also my email. Everything's a loving a pitch, a con and an advertisement. A whole nation of salesmen trying to take money that people don't have. I don't know what can be done about it. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Jul 9, 2022 |
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I just wonder why they all think my name is Roland
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Twibbit posted:I just wonder why they all think my name is Roland Someone used the fake name Roland when they signed up for a free online service in the late 90s, probably. Big Data works by combining vast oceans of facts, copying huge databases into newer, huger databases. Even if you were to track down the original source of Roland, it's been copied dozens of times into newer and more oppressive digital systems. You will never not be Roland now.
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In 2019 during open enrollment, I got dozens of calls a week trying to sell me health insurance. Every one of then was an actual person asking something like, “is Carol there?” It was always the same woman’s name. For a day, I was worried my identity had been stolen, but it ended up just being a common script they were all using to try getting around people’s initial impulse to hang up on sales calls. I was never able to figure out if they were all from the same company or not. They all disconnected immediately if I said anything other than something like “you have the wrong number” or “there is no Carol here.”
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Fart Amplifier posted:Elon Musk is likely not going to be forced to buy Twitter (as many online seem to be suggesting). He will almost certainly have to pay the billion dollar penalty after years of legal wrangling. For a breakdown, listen to this: https://openargs.com/oa610-elons-twitter-deal-was-a-complete-blunder-its-not-happening/ CommieGIR posted:Yup, that is what I was referring to. Twitter isn't going to force him to buy, but they are going to drag him through the courts to get their money, because Elon couldn't shut his mouth up about a deal he already made. What Twitter is suing for isn't just the $1 billion dollar termination fee. That's the consolation prize. What they're actually suing for is damages stemming from Musk's little stunt, since he tried to collapse the stock by airing out the negotiations. So, basically, the stock price from when he penned the deal to when he terminated the deal. which amounts to $16 billion dollars. https://twitter.com/questauthority/status/1545747193025499138?s=20&t=wnLcHAO4vbqaH4jAFF0wAA So, either he agrees to buy Twitter at $44 billion, money that he doesn't have; is sued for $16 billion and Elon gets nothing in exchange; and if Twitter still loses, they get $1 billion dollars out of it. BTW, wasn't one of the sources for income of his $44 billion offer a loan that was given to him by Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, the Saudi prince that owns part of Twitter. Imagine taking out a loan from this guy, getting sued for not going through with the deal, and having to pay that guy back damages, plus the loan, plus the interest on the loan.
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Young Freud posted:What Twitter is suing for isn't just the $1 billion dollar termination fee. That's the consolation prize. Twitter's shareholders can sue. They are the ones who actually suffer damages from a lower stock price. AFAIK, they are already suing both Twitter and Musk.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:If you think US regulatory structures are weak I have bad news for you about, like, almost the entire rest of the world. The US has very weak regulatory structures compared to many other developed countries. Seems like most of the rest of the world has much stricter regulations. I get maybe one spam call a year in Europe. Criss-cross fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jul 9, 2022 |
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Young Freud posted:So, either he agrees to buy Twitter at $44 billion, money that he doesn't have; is sued for $16 billion and Elon gets nothing in exchange; and if Twitter still loses, they get $1 billion dollars out of it. What if we execute everybody involved, take all those billions and do something productive with it like feed the poor?
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Young Freud posted:What Twitter is suing for isn't just the $1 billion dollar termination fee. That's the consolation prize. Elon musk getting buzzsawed by the Saudis would be seen as a conspiracy to keep gas cars around and not revenge for Twitter. I mean we are talking about the loving Saudis here. Musk should probably not have hosed around. quote:In 2015, Al Waleed was criticised for offering to buy Bentley cars for Saudi fighter pilots involved in the Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen. In a tweet later deleted, he said: "In appreciation of their role in this operation, I'm honoured to offer 100 Bentley cars to the 100 Saudi [fighter] pilots".[70] Yeah. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jul 9, 2022 |
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Maybe Elon vs Twitter costs DeSantis the 2024 Republican Presidential Primary?CNN posted:Even as any litigation continues, however, the two sides will likely keep talking...and the situation could resolve itself through a renegotiated sale price. That type of resolution is common in merger disputes, he said, citing the recent deal involving luxury brands Luis Vuitton and Tiffany, which went to court but was ultimately completed at a lower price.
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Young Freud posted:BTW, wasn't one of the sources for income of his $44 billion offer a loan that was given to him by Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, the Saudi prince that owns part of Twitter. Imagine taking out a loan from this guy, getting sued for not going through with the deal, and having to pay that guy back damages, plus the loan, plus the interest on the loan. It would be a pity if Muskrat angered wrong people and had the fate of Jamal Khashoggi.
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lol, elon might have just caught a ban and twitter's cache hasn't caught up? Banned: https://mobile.twitter.com/eIonmusk Not banned?: https://twitter.com/elonmusk 
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All this because some people made tweets that made fun of him.
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JehovahsWetness posted:lol, elon might have just caught a ban and twitter's cache hasn't caught up? Nope. That banned link is to eionmusk with a capital i. minor L elonmusk account is still active. you can try it yourself by changing the letter in url. banned fake: https://mobile.twitter.com/eIonmusk the real one: https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk
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JehovahsWetness posted:Ha, derp, I thought twitter normalized / downcased all urls. It's a super well thought out system!!
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