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RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012





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Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


I like Botw fishing, where I could toss a bomb in the water and they'd all float up

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Phigs posted:

The fish rewards are based on where they're found so you have to go deep enough to get them anyway so if you suck you're still out of luck.

They could just be chests.

Can't write quirky bestiary entries about chests.

Fake edit: Insert joke about a Steam game that probably exists here.

Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Medals only weigh one down.

The best fishing was Fire Emblem: Three Houses because it was both piss-easy, and so abstracted that it had literally nothing to do with actual fishing anymore.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

John Murdoch posted:

Can't write quirky bestiary entries about chests.

Fake edit: Insert joke about a Steam game that probably exists here.

If its on steam the articles about chests are in the breastiary.

moosecow333
Mar 15, 2007

Super-Duper Supermen!
You can fish in Monster Hunter. No, not the big monsters, just regular sized fish.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



John Murdoch posted:

Can't write quirky bestiary entries about chests.

Fake edit: Insert joke about a Steam game that probably exists here.

Has there been a game that went for the low-hanging fruit and had either all of the chests or even just the chests in a specific dungeon be in the shape of breasts showing cleavage?

I just realized reading this post that I think that's the one joke I haven't seen a parody RPG or adventure game use.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

Randalor posted:

Has there been a game that went for the low-hanging fruit and had either all of the chests or even just the chests in a specific dungeon be in the shape of breasts showing cleavage?

I just realized reading this post that I think that's the one joke I haven't seen a parody RPG or adventure game use.

Well crazy ex-girlfriend had a chest turn into a giant butt during one of the musical numbers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBz8wobOaoc

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

Jokatgulm is tedium.
Jokatgulm is pain.
Jokatgulm is suffering.

Randalor posted:

Has there been a game that went for the low-hanging fruit and had either all of the chests or even just the chests in a specific dungeon be in the shape of breasts showing cleavage?

I just realized reading this post that I think that's the one joke I haven't seen a parody RPG or adventure game use.

I think you have to look at RPGMaker porn games for stuff like that.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Muscle Tracer posted:

The best fishing was Fire Emblem: Three Houses because it was both piss-easy, and so abstracted that it had literally nothing to do with actual fishing anymore.

A big part of that was also that you had very little reason to need a specific fish, too. Having fish in general meant you could cook more meals for the relationship points, but they had enough overlap that you didn't need to hunt down any particular one. That's what makes fishing games so often bad - they essentially boil down to giving you a dice and telling you to roll until you roll a 6. Oh, but you can't just roll it, you have to hover with your hand over the dice and only roll when the signal shows every 5-20 seconds. And you might have to play a little minigame. The minigame might even be fun, but you're still going to run into the fact that you're just firing off an RNG hoping that this time it will give you the one you want.

Hades actually came very close to being a good version of a fishing game, since your reel timing determined the fish you catch in a predictable way. But it still gives you a 50/50 chance of getting one of two fish after that point, so if there's a specific fish you need for your codex there is absolutely no way to guarantee you'll get it no matter how good you are.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Hades also had a buggy rng that made the rarest fish 10x more common than expected

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

Tunicate posted:

Hades also had a buggy rng that made the rarest fish 10x more common than expected

And it’s a blessing because a few of them are so drat hard to encounter that filling out the compendium would’ve been an absolute nightmare if the rng was working as intended

Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

I liked fishing in ocarina of time and i remember i probably did it way too much

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




I've been convinced to play FFXIV by my girlfriend and while I was aware going in that opening chapter A Realm Reborn sucks, that doesn't make it any less boring to actually play.

But everyone says it gets a lot better so I guess I'm stuck slowly inching my way through this bear rear end collecting 50 hours dullathon.

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

moosecow333 posted:

You can fish in Monster Hunter. No, not the big monsters, just regular sized fish.

You used to be able to fish up a couple monsters in older games— gobul could be fished up with frogs and if you got Nibelsnarf to eat a bomb you could fish him out of the sand afterwards. Both made them flop around for a while so you could get some free hits in.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Necrothatcher posted:

I've been convinced to play FFXIV by my girlfriend and while I was aware going in that opening chapter A Realm Reborn sucks, that doesn't make it any less boring to actually play.

But everyone says it gets a lot better so I guess I'm stuck slowly inching my way through this bear rear end collecting 50 hours dullathon.

i made it through ARR before they trimmed the garbage and i did not think it got better, i think i made it halfway through heavensward and the good parts just never came

Veotax
May 16, 2006


The basic gameplay never changes that much, other than combat, bosses and classes getting more complex.
When people talk about it getting better after ARR, they're usually talking about the story and the presentation of the game.

If you don't like the basic gameplay of the game, that's probably not going to change for you.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




The basic gameplay is neither here nor there at the moment. It's just run from A-B and maybe punch some monsters on the way. But I figure there will eventually be more to it.

It is kinda nice having my Lv. 90 girlfriend as an assist buddy to fly me around on her chocobo though.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Jesus Christ I'm actually getting worse at DS3, which I didn't think was loving possible.

This god damned Twin Princes fight is just...I can't roll for some reason or get the timing down. I've tried going naked, watched YT videos and KNOW what I'm supposed to do but my reaction time is broken. Do I roll when he starts the move, starts to come down or at the point of impact? Because right now I get :teleport:, I start to hit the roll button and then it's :poof: instant hit. The tutorials I watch seem to confirm when I am supposed to roll but he's just too fast or I'm too slow.

I tried every combination of equipment at LVL 80 with all the dex rings and a fast weapon and it does not help. The guides make it look easy but...my...guy...won't...dodge and none of the timing lessons I absorbed from the Dancer fight or really any fight seem to help at all. I tried cheesing him from a distance with a bow to some mild effect but I can't do the whole fight like that. Lightining buff? Check.

I'm legit getting worse at it, usually not even able to get to the second stage any more and sometimes don't lay a glove on him. The long elevator ride back is just tons of fun too.

WHEN exactly do I hit the dodge and in which direction? Videos say to get behind him and lord knows I am trying. I'm not spamming buttons either.

gently caress this.

kazil
Jul 24, 2005

Derpmph trial star reporter!

Go do something else for a while. Have you killed all the optional bosses? Have you found the DLC?

Sometimes, all it takes it to walk away for a bit and have another go later.

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
The biggest draw of FF14 is the story. If the story isn't interesting you even a little bit, you aren't going to stick with it. Even as someone who is fully 14itized and loving it, I don't think the game became truly engrossing till the post-Heavensward quests.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

Bussamove posted:

You used to be able to fish up a couple monsters in older games— gobul could be fished up with frogs and if you got Nibelsnarf to eat a bomb you could fish him out of the sand afterwards. Both made them flop around for a while so you could get some free hits in.

Plesioth was the original monster you could fish out of the water. Only good thing about that fight, really.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

BiggerBoat posted:

Jesus Christ I'm actually getting worse at DS3, which I didn't think was loving possible.

This god damned Twin Princes fight is just...I can't roll for some reason or get the timing down. I've tried going naked, watched YT videos and KNOW what I'm supposed to do but my reaction time is broken. Do I roll when he starts the move, starts to come down or at the point of impact? Because right now I get :teleport:, I start to hit the roll button and then it's :poof: instant hit. The tutorials I watch seem to confirm when I am supposed to roll but he's just too fast or I'm too slow.

I tried every combination of equipment at LVL 80 with all the dex rings and a fast weapon and it does not help. The guides make it look easy but...my...guy...won't...dodge and none of the timing lessons I absorbed from the Dancer fight or really any fight seem to help at all. I tried cheesing him from a distance with a bow to some mild effect but I can't do the whole fight like that. Lightining buff? Check.

I'm legit getting worse at it, usually not even able to get to the second stage any more and sometimes don't lay a glove on him. The long elevator ride back is just tons of fun too.

WHEN exactly do I hit the dodge and in which direction? Videos say to get behind him and lord knows I am trying. I'm not spamming buttons either.

gently caress this.

You want to roll after he reappears not before, and typically in dark souls the direction you dodge depends on the attack but generally you want to roll away from the pain, rather than with it. If it's a thrusting attack, for example, you want to roll left or right as rolling directly away from or toward the enemy can get you caught on lingering hitboxes. If it's a sweeping slash attack you want to roll in the direction of the arc so you go *through* the attack with your i-frames, rather than with it, for the same reasons. Straight up rolling away is usually an option, but it makes it harder to counter attack and get in smacks here and there; it's often the safer move but the one that leaves you always on the defense and with less option to retaliate.

I don't normally do dex builds so I can't give too much more specialized advice beyond that but IIRC bleed usually pairs well with dex builds due to how often you hit when you can hit.

moosecow333 posted:

You can fish in Monster Hunter. No, not the big monsters, just regular sized fish.

I loved the endemic life in World and yeah, sure, you could fish. Or you could get your stupid little net and just throw that at the fish in the water and catch them that way, like a pro. Rise not having endemic life like world did really disappoints me.

Your Gay Uncle
Feb 16, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Haven't played in ages, but I remember the fishing mini game in Breath Of Fire 3 being really good

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

kazil posted:

Go do something else for a while. Have you killed all the optional bosses? Have you found the DLC?

Sometimes, all it takes it to walk away for a bit and have another go later.

That's what I decided to do. I went to grind souls on that bridge for a while and then wound around up at a tower and found some fat winged guys that seem tough but fairly manageable. Anything is better right now than riding that elevator for the 100th time and getting wrecked in 3 hits.

I suck at these games.

JackSplater
Nov 20, 2014

Metal Coat? It's already active?!

Evilreaver posted:

On that note, V Rising is a great game, but virtually requires fishing and it's crap fishing. You're a vampire and capture a human with good tasty blood, but have to feed them to keep them alive. The fuckers will only eat fish (sustainably, if you feed them rats they'll die of despair), you can only fish at uncommon fish-points, fishing is "click once then wait", and most of the time when you fish you DON'T GET A FISH you get some crafting material. Auuugh.

The actual answer to this (other than "it's early access") is to use the thrall system to loot one of the two places in the map that can give you fish. it only takes almost a day to do safely, not counting the time to find the thralls you want or to actually discover the two fishing villages.

The game was good fun but oh lord finding all the 100% blood types to imprison and then getting enough fish to be able to switch between them at will took forever.


Also, it seems like blood quality was either below 30% or above 90%. Didn't see a lot in the 30-70% range.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

BiggerBoat posted:

That's what I decided to do. I went to grind souls on that bridge for a while and then wound around up at a tower and found some fat winged guys that seem tough but fairly manageable. Anything is better right now than riding that elevator for the 100th time and getting wrecked in 3 hits.

I suck at these games.

I have a question, what weapon are you using? Dex builds have a ton of options and while I doubt any one would be make or break there might be some options that can make it harder vs. easier.

JackSplater posted:

The actual answer to this (other than "it's early access") is to use the thrall system to loot one of the two places in the map that can give you fish. it only takes almost a day to do safely, not counting the time to find the thralls you want or to actually discover the two fishing villages.

The game was good fun but oh lord finding all the 100% blood types to imprison and then getting enough fish to be able to switch between them at will took forever.


Also, it seems like blood quality was either below 30% or above 90%. Didn't see a lot in the 30-70% range.

The problem with V Rising in general is that the entire game is designed around always online PVP and makes so many concessions to it that the PVE (and especially single player or small group) experience is absolutely compromised by it. The thrall system is basically only functional if you're playing on an online server because if you're hosting a private game, any time your game isn't running the clock your thrall's mission won't count down, when I was playing with a friend I sent my thrall on a 24 hour mission after unlocking it, and we beat the game before he ever returned. Other things, like the scarcity of fish and the default resource times are designed that way because you're supposed to have a huge clan all contributing everything they have, the devs put almost no thought into "what if people don't play this as part of a massive clan on a server" - and this goes so far into the basic game design that end game because nearly impossible to play because the end game bosses each drop an item that gives you an hours-long buff to anyone in your clan who interacts with it, by default rules (and thus in most online and especially PVP servers) there can only be one of these active at any given time, the buff is huge enough that managing to get one of these will absolutely trivialize the other three end game bosses and let you destroy basically anyone else at your equivalent PVP tier, so the entire game is set up for one group to get this and then literally everyone else in the server has to band together to try and beat them, which won't ever happen because everyone is just going to join them instead or otherwise quit when the same thing happened to this game that happens to almost every PVP survival game; the people at the top just kind of spend hours of their day roaming maps and ensuring no one else can progress past the most basic tiers because getting endlessly spawn camped and having your stuff constantly destroyed by people you can't fight back against with infinite resources isn't fun.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Nuebot posted:

I have a question, what weapon are you using?

Executioners Great Sword +10 with a strength build. Sometimes I switch it out if I need more speed. The weapon aint the problem.

It's my defense and rolling.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Some quick tips for Lothric: If you can stay slightly behind him and poke at him from the rear, he won't be able to teleport. Easier said than done, but it keeps him from just zipping all over the place. Another trick for the start of Phase 2 is to start running directly into the fog wall at the entrance and hit dodge whenever you hear the magic missiles being fired. It's a lot easier than trying to dodge roll them out in the open and when the first barrage ends the Twin Princes will almost be right on top of you, which lets you keep them close.

moonmazed
Dec 27, 2021

by VideoGames
why are you continuing to play a game you clearly don't enjoy

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

The Moon Monster posted:

Plesioth was the original monster you could fish out of the water. Only good thing about that fight, really.

We don’t speak of That Fish.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

1stGear posted:

The biggest draw of FF14 is the story. If the story isn't interesting you even a little bit, you aren't going to stick with it. Even as someone who is fully 14itized and loving it, I don't think the game became truly engrossing till the post-Heavensward quests.

Yeah, that's the biggest thing about XIV; It is, first and foremost, a Final Fantasy game, the MMORPG aspect is secondary.

Zinkraptor
Apr 24, 2012

Veotax posted:

The basic gameplay never changes that much, other than combat, bosses and classes getting more complex.
When people talk about it getting better after ARR, they're usually talking about the story and the presentation of the game.

If you don't like the basic gameplay of the game, that's probably not going to change for you.

To be fair that added complexity makes a big difference, a lot of classes feel very slow and incomplete at lower levels, and fights get a lot more fun once they start having real mechanics and obstacles.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

Zinkraptor posted:

To be fair that added complexity makes a big difference, a lot of classes feel very slow and incomplete at lower levels, and fights get a lot more fun once they start having real mechanics and obstacles.

There's a couple classes that feel lackluster early on not because they're 'incomplete', but because they feel so fundamentally basic until some point in the expansions. They can do everything you ask of them, but there's nothing really special about them.

In particular I'm thinking of White Mage and Paladin. They feel like generic placeholders for 'here's what a healer or tank should look like in this game' without any extra definition, flair or twists to it.

moonmazed
Dec 27, 2021

by VideoGames
i'm not really sure why people think the story is so great, it seems like the usual crystals and empires bullshit

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

moonmazed posted:

i'm not really sure why people think the story is so great, it seems like the usual crystals and empires bullshit

At first it is, although the empire is at least charismatic, and you've got the really fun concept of primals (basically 'if you believe hard enough in a god you can summon a horrible twisted evil version of them that will brainwash you into servimg them', which I promise is cooler tham it sounds). But come Heavensward they start realizing the strengths of their storytelling lie in more character-focused stories with strong performances, and from there they hit their stride.

And then eventually they give the storytelling reins to the woman who has a serious loving talent for writing Sad Middle-Aged War Criminals and it's REALLY off to the races.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

moonmazed posted:

i'm not really sure why people think the story is so great, it seems like the usual crystals and empires bullshit

Catgirls OP

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
Drake no:

Cleretic posted:

At first it is, although the empire is at least charismatic, and you've got the really fun concept of primals (basically 'if you believe hard enough in a god you can summon a horrible twisted evil version of them that will brainwash you into servimg them', which I promise is cooler tham it sounds). But come Heavensward they start realizing the strengths of their storytelling lie in more character-focused stories with strong performances, and from there they hit their stride.

And then eventually they give the storytelling reins to the woman who has a serious loving talent for writing Sad Middle-Aged War Criminals and it's REALLY off to the races.

Drake Yes:

Leal posted:

Catgirls OP

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
A tangled skein of bad opinions, the hottest takes, and the the world's most misinformed nonsense. Do not engage with me, it's useless, and better yet, put me on ignore.

moonmazed posted:

i'm not really sure why people think the story is so great, it seems like the usual crystals and empires bullshit

And too many characters die and come back. I know, I know. It just makes it all seem so utterly trivial, when characters can have a sad, memorable death but show up 60 hours later and be like sorry was in a crystal or whatever. If that can happen even one loving time, then what am I supposed to think of the next time? I quit playing around the start of Shadowbringers I think, and there are some characters who are dead who I want to feel something for but because other characters came back, I just don't know, I don't want to be hosed with again so I'm just going to wait for them to magically reappear. I hate it when they pull this poo poo.

The only time I've ever seen a game pull a dead character out from death in a satisfactory way was Final Fantasy VII: Remake. And I don't mean Zack, either; gently caress you, FF7: Remake, you absolutely did not earn that ending

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RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




I hope they make a Zack DLC where we get to do that fight ourselves.

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