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Augus posted:from what I've heard, made in abyss seems like a case where the weirder elements of the series weren't immediately apparent. like, it seems like the initial impression people had was that it was just a dark and sad story and the characters are innocent children so that you'll feel extra sad when bad things happen. And it seems like that's about as far as the first season of the anime got, just dark and sad. so by the time the dark sadness escalates into weird torture porn (which, judging from all the uproar, is probably where the anime is at now?), people have already sunk-cost fallacy'd themselves into defending it. it’s what initially made me interested yeah, like ‘oh a coming of age show where this robot kid finds his identity while going on a big dangerous adventure with another kid’ but it slaps you up with how hosed it is pretty fast so I ollied out
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QEzJv8Y4RI Saw this yesterday. Was some strange poo poo like an early Cronenberg with extreme violence/weird nudity and lots of whacking people over the head
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Jul 10, 2022 18:45
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The Made in Abyss anime severely tones down what's in the manga, if you can believe it. Some of those panels are practically pornographic. Whatever. I'll still watch that garbage.Communist Thoughts posted:obvs i get why some anime fans dont wanna discuss it but it seems like a cspammy topic and theres not a lot of discussion about it elsewhere afaict The market has a big pressure for pedo content because its consumer base is either actually adolescent or in suspended adolescence. Teens and lonely guys who don't have a family to spend their money on are some of the few people in Japanese society with a disposable income and the interest to spend it on anime merchandise. Teens are extremely horny and will go for any kind of sexualized content (within reason), so there's a massive pull towards catering to that demand. I watched the first episode of Call of the Night because it looked interesting and the protagonist is 14 years old. So presumably the vampire that's set to prey on him is in the same age range, physically. I'm pretty desensitized to this bullshit after so many years of paying attention to the media, but even so it still feels like 14 is too young for a field that's saturated with teenage subjects. And it can only get worse. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 10, 2022 19:30
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anime needs to get its act together imo
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Jul 10, 2022 19:37
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Stairmaster posted:my theory is its a product of capitalist development. also probably because animes big period of cultural relevancy ended in the late 90s. You’re kidding right? Anime/Manga is probably bigger than its ever been. Especially in the U.S. where kids positively gorge themselves on it. It’s definitely a different industry than it was in the 90’s, with a lot more hyper focused niches and genres. But even now standard shonen schlock is king same as it was back then.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:39
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Yeah it hasn't increased in percentage, it's just a constantly growing industry that hasn't marginalized the pedo poo poo hard enough And if you're constantly finding anime with horny little girls in it sounds like a you problem. Watch paprika
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Jul 10, 2022 20:28
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Made in Abyss anime severely tones down what's in the manga, if you can believe it. Some of those panels are practically pornographic. Whatever. I'll still watch that garbage. 
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Jul 10, 2022 20:30
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It's incredibly funny that poo poo is getting a game on Nintendo Switch.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Made in Abyss anime severely tones down what's in the manga, if you can believe it. Some of those panels are practically pornographic. Whatever. I'll still watch that garbage. Just proudly admitting watching the pedo anime lmao
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Jul 10, 2022 20:43
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made in arbys
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Jul 10, 2022 20:46
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Southpaugh posted:anime needs to get its act together imo  We need to shut down the border to anime until we understand what is going on.
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Jul 10, 2022 20:46
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Homeless Friend posted:made in arbys now there's an anime i'd watch (im fat)
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Jul 10, 2022 20:58
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It would probably be best to just destroy anime. Yes we would lose a few gems
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Jul 10, 2022 20:58
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Good soup! posted:Just proudly admitting watching the pedo anime lmao I just choose to pretend the manga isn't real.
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Jul 10, 2022 21:00
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I just choose to pretend the manga isn't real. bro how are you going to double down on this Moola posted:[edit:] !!WARNING THIS VIDEO IS VERY BAD! LITERAL LOLI TORTURE PORN!!!
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Jul 10, 2022 21:07
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I just choose to pretend the manga isn't real. but you did read it, and based on that reading, went on to watch the show, which you are fine with existing?
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Jul 10, 2022 21:08
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My impression of MiA is that the author's probably cranking it constantly while drawing, and his tastes are so vile that the rest of us read it as masterful loss-of-innocence horror unless we stop to think or focus on single panels mixed in that only serve the horny. I really wish it had been prose rather than a comic, to avoid the obviously loving renderings of things that are great terrifying concepts in the mind's eye but he just couldn't help himself. I dropped it, but I get why people can just not notice that they're supposed to be enjoying seeing it rather than enjoying the catharsis of it going away, especially filtered through an adaption cutting down on the just-plain-skeevy poo poo that signposts that.Pener Kropoopkin posted:The market has a big pressure for pedo content because its consumer base is either actually adolescent or in suspended adolescence. Teens and lonely guys who don't have a family to spend their money on are some of the few people in Japanese society with a disposable income and the interest to spend it on anime merchandise. Teens are extremely horny and will go for any kind of sexualized content (within reason), so there's a massive pull towards catering to that demand. This, absolutely this, explicitly noted in number of internal planning docs I've seen. The logic for the standard raunch is "what if we make something like American Pie unrated, the horniest possible thing we can legally sell to high schoolers? It's not like they can go buy actual porn, they're a captive market." Mandoric has issued a correction as of 21:18 on Jul 10, 2022 |
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Fart Dumbass posted:but you did read it, and based on that reading, went on to watch the show, which you are fine with existing? I did not read the manga, I just know what's in it. I'm not "fine" with it existing. AnimeIsTrash posted:bro how are you going to double down on this I hadn't seen the movie. Mandoric posted:This, absolutely this, explicitly noted in number of internal planning docs I've seen. The logic for the standard raunch is "what if we make something like American Pie unrated, the horniest possible thing we can legally sell to high schoolers? It's not like they can go buy actual porn, they're a captive market." It doesn't make any sense that sex still sells in an age of readily available free pornography, but I guess the consequence of having a conservative political culture is that you develop schizophrenic expectations of sex where it seems more morally sound to indulge in perversion without crossing an arbitrary boundary like viewing actual porn. It seems like there's a rash of openly proud nazi pedophiles on twitter who act like you're the pervert for not being attracted to kids, and if you check their timelines it's full of "borderline" lolicon art. You have to figure at least some of those guys are so warped they think keeping it PG-under13 is naturally wholesome. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 21:35 on Jul 10, 2022 |
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Jul 10, 2022 21:18
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Why not watch something good like Odd Taxi
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the setting of made in abyss is genuinely inspired, haunting, and evocative and the author should be held criminally liable for wasting it like this. even straining to interpret the moments that were brought up as generously as possible, it’s just cheap shock-value crap where a bad guy shows up and kicks a box of kittens.
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Jul 10, 2022 21:44
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It doesn't make any sense that sex still sells in an age of readily available free pornography, definitely one of the weirdest contradictions around. guess its the loneliness making people psycho. maybe talking to ppl is scarier than i think
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Jul 10, 2022 21:47
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Its actually Mike Tyson saying that you were "made in a bitch"
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I've been catching up on Vinland Saga since the new season is coming out, and the current arc has a trans rights subplot.
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I think it's part a function of the ennui that makes serialized mass media possible, to be honest. You buy the omnibus or turn on the TV at night because you're bored and don't know quite why, and the offerings which cater to "horny", "lonely", and "my life is rote bullshit there's gotta be something better" all at the same time are there for you no matter which you are, while a more focused story only hits if you had a particular kind of bad day. Then, for the other half of the revenue stream of getting people, especially teens, to go "I want a book only of this story"/"I want to (re)watch this rather than rely on broadcast schedules", it's very much parasocial/buying as a statement about who you are. Which is especially where sex selling comes in, you have something you can have on the shelf that your mom will just notice as "oh he likes sci-fi" or whatever, that your friends you have over will notice as "oh he has popular/deep tastes" and you can argue about at lunch, and that you yourself will go back to with a flashlight after bedtime. But maybe that's just my own hosed-up high school years talking.
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AloePieceOfShit posted:It's incredibly funny that poo poo is getting a game on Nintendo Switch. switch replaced the vita as the weirdo anime sex games console so not that surprising Augus posted:the setting of made in abyss is genuinely inspired, haunting, and evocative and the author should be held criminally liable for wasting it like this. yeah it’s a cool setting and idea wasted on cranking it to kid abuse
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epstein was murdered over his opposition to the production of the made in abyss movie. something he personally considered to be in poor taste and a bridge too far
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man.. im glad i just watch dbz and its successor. Oda will never do me wrong.
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you know, this talk of weird perverted mangakas making hosed up borderline hentai that just barely dodges being defined as porn reminds me this quote by the author of Tolove-Ru when he discovered his wife had been loving other men without him knowing about it. "While I was busy drawing teenagers' panties, another man was busy removing my wife's" and you know, at least there's that fun to be had
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the new Spriggan anime starts with the opening chapters from the manga instead of just being the Noah’s Ark arc like I was afraid of. so right off the bat SOCOM and the CIA are the bad guys. the anime is also near-future today instead of being the near-future of the 80s. so the fact it’s the Russians and not the Soviets involved makes it even more anti-imperialist. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 01:29 on Jul 11, 2022 |
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from it's reputation I'd always assumed that Made in Abyss was like a grimdark Happy Tree Friends. It aired on American TV, I saw the bluray at Target, how did that not become a news story? Do parents groups not care about anything that isn't CRT or pro-LGBT anymore?
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Jul 11, 2022 04:06
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when was the last time parents pitched a fit about a movie or series…?
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Jul 11, 2022 04:37
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i remember watching alot of hosed up hyper violent(with a whole lot of nudity) animes with my older sister when i was like 7 or 8. i dont think people care all that much about anime its foreign weird stuff
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Jul 11, 2022 04:48
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Communist Thoughts posted:the current drama around adtrw and some hosed up pedo animes has sure been something
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Popy posted:i remember watching alot of hosed up hyper violent(with a whole lot of nudity) animes with my older sister when i was like 7 or 8. i dont think people care all that much about anime its foreign weird stuff
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the new Spriggan anime starts with the opening chapters from the manga instead of just being the Noah’s Ark arc like I was afraid of. so right off the bat SOCOM and the CIA are the bad guys. i was surprised to see how the noahs ark chapter didnt feature yu going ham nor the child soldier flashbacks like the movie did
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wolfs posted:when was the last time parents pitched a fit about a movie or series…? Culture war shifted to being outraged at any display of non straight people and relationships instead of violence.
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TenementFunster posted:it was a lot worse among actual adtrw posters ~20 years ago i do remember someone linking one of the old threads where ADTRW posters were just actively talking about child porn hentai you don't get that anymore though i do see a lot of people getting desensitised like "if you think THIS is bad you should see xyz!" "i love the direction on this show, shame about the pedophilia, ill keep watching cause i love this VA" its really become part of the territory it seems, like I really like Dorohedoro but you still gotta explain to normies why 12 year old ebisu (im sure shes actually 300) is getting her tits out for gags every other episode
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yeah it feels like 90% of shows have some sketch rear end thing and you either learn to set it aside or just bounce out of the medium entirely which sucks
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Are you sure Ebisu is 12, I thought she was just short and skinny. She’s a full wizard and went through the mask ceremony thing.
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