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if they don't like it they can simply vote for a different navy
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lol we're going to find out the storage tanks were using the same steel supplier that faked the strength tests for submarines
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# ? Jul 10, 2022 13:28 |
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Big 1910- June 1914 vibes off that
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# ? Jul 10, 2022 13:30 |
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back in the day i was a dipshit conscript in our local army, and even during that short stint i quickly realized that the main innovative force in any military is in the field of incompetence
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# ? Jul 10, 2022 13:42 |
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crepeface posted:lol we're going to find out the storage tanks were using the same steel supplier that faked the strength tests for submarines The linked article says the Navy was told the pipes were steel instead of PVC, which breaks down from contact with jet fuel, and the contractor apparently substituted it to cut costs.
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# ? Jul 10, 2022 14:39 |
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lmao gently caress yeah
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# ? Jul 10, 2022 14:40 |
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crepeface posted:steel supplier that faked the strength tests for submarines there was a time when something like that would've shocked me but now its just like yeah of course they did that
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# ? Jul 10, 2022 14:55 |
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CODChimera posted:there was a time when something like that would've shocked me but now its just like yeah of course they did that this is why america makes jokes about russian weapons designed to malfunction
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 01:05 |
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Frosted Flake posted:The linked article says the Navy was told the pipes were steel instead of PVC, which breaks down from contact with jet fuel, and the contractor apparently substituted it to cut costs. holy lol
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 01:16 |
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thats look like a million dollar valve change job to me
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 01:19 |
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so did no one in the navy ever look at the pipes lol
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 01:35 |
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Goast posted:so did no one in the navy ever look at the pipes lol the saw it but decided it was too expensive to replace them all lol
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 01:37 |
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Goast posted:so did no one in the navy ever look at the pipes lol the navy knew they were PVC after they were installed but didn't want to pay to fix it. The implication in the article is that they were just doing extra maintenance on the gaskets this accident happened because somebody ran a golf cart into the pipe, it probably would not have done this on it's own just from being the wrong material
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 01:39 |
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yellowcar posted:the saw it but decided it was too expensive to replace them all lol im sorry we got no money for domestic maintenance after $1 trillion per year went to rust-in-rain wunderwaffes and de facto overseas country clubs
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 01:42 |
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Frosted Flake posted:The linked article says the Navy was told the pipes were steel instead of PVC, which breaks down from contact with jet fuel, and the contractor apparently substituted it to cut costs. wait i was told jet fuel cant melt steel beams
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 01:42 |
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The Oldest Man posted:wait i was told jet fuel cant melt steel beams the contractor lied to the navy and said they used steel but actually used pvc without telling anyone
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 01:49 |
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Mirthless posted:the navy knew they were PVC after they were installed but didn't want to pay to fix it. The implication in the article is that they were just doing extra maintenance on the gaskets I mean if it is going to take a golf cart for things to go bad…
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 01:49 |
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I was in the DoD up until recently (promoted into another agency) and when I came in as a civilian we were working off a trailer because they were renovating the building we were supposed to work out of. The turn over was delayed for like 2-3 years, and the contractor kept cutting corners that did not pass muster. Eventually they fixed it up as much as they could and the corp of engineers relented (with the contractor being blacklisted). I spent little over a year in building before I left and it suffered from tons of HVAC issues with our server room sometimes suffering from tons of humidity (at best) to potentially catastrophic heat sometimes. Now when I was still in the military they renovated the USARC I was in too, but that time it was mostly done in time. Well the HVAC also crapped out with one entire wing of the building not having AC most of the time, and the offices not having any windows you could open up. Then Maria hit and for some god forsaken reason they had the top floors with some weird transparent plastic light catchers in the ceiling that got blown off and flooded the top floors of the building. DoD infrastructure is probably the biggest scam after weapons procurement.
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 01:50 |
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Cao Ni Ma posted:DoD infrastructure is probably the biggest scam after weapons procurement. same for anything that is a "HQ unit" overseas
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 01:54 |
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yellowcar posted:the contractor lied to the navy and said they used steel but actually used pvc without telling anyone It’s loving incredible
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 02:00 |
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https://twitter.com/ChrisLynnHedges/status/1546239068757016578?s=20&t=ZXLPw2MSpvp6jPM2E2Hx9Q
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 02:05 |
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Flying Camelot: The F-15, the F-16, and the Weaponization of Fighter Pilot Nostalgia Flying Camelot brings us back to the post-Vietnam era, when the US Air Force launched two new, state-of-the art fighter aircraft: the F-15 Eagle and the F-16 Fighting Falcon. It was an era when debates about aircraft superiority went public—and these were not uncontested discussions. Michael W. Hankins delves deep into the fighter pilot culture that gave rise to both designs, showing how a small but vocal group of pilots, engineers, and analysts in the Department of Defense weaponized their own culture to affect technological development and larger political change. The design and advancement of the F-15 and F-16 reflected this group's nostalgic desire to recapture the best of World War I air combat. Known as the "Fighter Mafia," and later growing into the media savvy political powerhouse "Reform Movement," it believed that American weapons systems were too complicated and expensive, and thus vulnerable. The group's leader was Colonel John Boyd, a contentious former fighter pilot heralded as a messianic figure by many in its ranks. He and his group advocated for a shift in focus from the multi-role interceptors the Air Force had designed in the early Cold War towards specialized air-to-air combat dogfighters. Their influence stretched beyond design and into larger politicized debates about US national security, debates that still resonate today. A biography of fighter pilot culture and the nostalgia that drove decision-making, Flying Camelot deftly engages both popular culture and archives to animate the movement that shook the foundations of the Pentagon and Congress. lmao
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 02:10 |
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Frosted Flake posted:It’s loving incredible you are vastly overestimating the admin's intellectual curiosity over PVC versus steel
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 02:13 |
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KomradeX posted:Big 1910- June 1914 vibes off that so China will lose in a catastrophic war against nato, then become fascist and then lose an even bigger war?
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 03:36 |
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Frosted Flake posted:Flying Camelot: The F-15, the F-16, and the Weaponization of Fighter Pilot Nostalgia Where the hell is my F-15 Strike Eagle and Falcon 3.0 HD sequels, gaming industry? gently caress, it's like flight sim development slowed and got as bad as the actual procurement process We didn't even get F-35 sims like we did with the F-22
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 04:12 |
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it's basically a coin toss between whether it'll be war thunder or DCS for the first f-35 sim isn't it
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 04:16 |
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f-14 tomcat had da fat rear end and we lost our way when we abandoned that motif
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 05:07 |
the f-14 may not be the best plane, it may not even be a very good plane, but it is the coolest plane
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 05:22 |
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Wheeee posted:the f-14 may not be the best plane, it may not even be a very good plane, but it is the coolest plane The Iranians got some pretty serious bang out of theirs gradenko_2000 posted:We didn't even get F-35 sims like we did with the F-22 Nobody wants to fly the F-35
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 05:26 |
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Actually where the gently caress is my Top Gun: Islamic Republic of Iran sequel, we trained a bunch of their guys and then some of those guys fought Iraq in the 80s This is the top F14 pilot in history by air to air kills, where's his movie The Oldest Man has issued a correction as of 05:31 on Jul 11, 2022 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Where the hell is my F-15 Strike Eagle and Falcon 3.0 HD sequels, gaming industry? gotta be able to fly before you can simulate it
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 06:06 |
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iirc it was gradenko who read up on the sino-vietnamese border conflict? how different is this thread from your conclusions? https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1546737008256684032 quote:Reading about the Sino-Vietnamese border conflicts of 1979 through the 1980s, one can’t help but get a sense of déjà vu. In fact the prelude with the buildup in 1979 eerily echoes the current special military operation. /1
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# ? Jul 12, 2022 23:40 |
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If you haven’t read it, Iranian F-14 Tomcat Units in Combat is great. Someone scanned it and put it online too. I was reading that the Iranians have more Tomcats in service now. Seems as they’ve got the expertise to make their own parts, they’re taking mothballed ones out and fixing them up. Some aircraft have practically no hours on them as they were left in storage after the Revolution, those are practically brand new. They also worked with Russia and maybe China to get the Phoenixes working again, and similarly I believe they’re either making more or have more available as they come out of storage. It rules.
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# ? Jul 13, 2022 01:00 |
looking forward to the Ahmadinejad tweet following the first time an Iranian top gun f-14 pilot shoots down a trespassing American f-18
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# ? Jul 13, 2022 01:09 |
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Frosted Flake posted:the best of World War I air combat. Sweet mustaches? IE The Oldest Man posted:Actually where the gently caress is my Top Gun: Islamic Republic of Iran sequel, we trained a bunch of their guys and then some of those guys fought Iraq in the 80s Aglet56 posted:so China will lose in a catastrophic war against nato, then become fascist and then lose an even bigger war? In this comparison America is Germany, who looked at Russian industrialization prior to WWI and thought 'it's now or never' about winning a war vs them. And who looks to be about to spiral into fascism.
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# ? Jul 13, 2022 01:24 |
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Report’s out more Canadian paras were severely injured during peacetime training. 1 fatality, it was that accident in 2019.
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# ? Jul 13, 2022 02:57 |
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I'm just not convinced that the arsenal of democracy is really up for it tbh. How about the MIC but wait for it... Software as a Service.
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# ? Jul 13, 2022 03:42 |
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KomradeX posted:Big 1910- June 1914 vibes off that the good news is that everyone in the us military and congress is too loving stupid to actually believe that, which is why the guy resigned, and thus won’t feel the same pressure of becoming lost to history
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# ? Jul 13, 2022 03:57 |
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New York City released a PSA about what to do if the city is nuked lmao. My favorite part is "you've got this". My friends, if you are in NYC when a nuke lands, you absolutely do not "got this". https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1547067687171661824?s=20&t=kkJinJqKedZBoz6p7_tE0w As an alternative to watching the PSA, I recommend citizens just watch the movie "Threads" instead. Much more instructive. strange feelings re Daisy has issued a correction as of 07:50 on Jul 13, 2022 |
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Danann posted:iirc it was gradenko who read up on the sino-vietnamese border conflict? how different is this thread from your conclusions? I stringently disagree with the characterization that the conflict with Vietnam was downplayed within China. Deng wanted/needed the conflict to shore up domestic support for his reform policies, and the way the Chinese logistics system worked at the time, it would have been absolutely necessary to mobilize civilians along the border region to provide supplies and support to the troops going in. The specific phrasing of "the Chinese did not exploit the war's existence to mobilize national unity for domestic programmes" is complete bunk, as far as I have read. _ With respect to the United States, there's also a level of murkiness there: the Americans insist that Deng was not sufficiently explicit with Carter that the PRC was planning to invade Vietnam when they met in-person right before the Chinese invasion, but the Chinese account claims that there was enough of an understanding that the Chinese felt like they had America's blessing or permission. This is similar to the US saying that April Glaspie's conversation with Saddam Hussein did NOT constitute giving him free-rein to invade Kuwait as something that the US was not interested in intervening in, while Iraq claims it was, and that America's subsequent reaction constituted them going back on their word. That said, in any case the US didn't intervene either way. _ The second tweet and the third tweet are also somewhat in conflict: it is true that China's official position, that the invasion was solely about halting the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, was not the entire story. Rather, within the context of the Sino-Soviet split, and Mao's belief that the post-Stalinist USSR had become revisionist, the PRC was worried about Vietnam becoming a Soviet-controlled proxy state right on their border, the same way Cuba is/was to the US. Accordingly, the invasion was [also] about punishing Vietnam and prevent/discourage them from becoming too closely tied to the Soviet state. In this sense, it doesn't follow from the second tweet that China's position in the war was "subdued" relative to the USSR - they absolutely wanted to send a message to the USSR, and indeed posted additional troops on their border with the Soviet Union, in the event that Moscow reacted and decided to broaden the conflict. _ I don't recall too much about the ethnic tensions revolving around the conflict without digging back into my sources, but I do recall that there were some problematic elements because of the intermixing of Vietnamese and Chinese peoples along the border area, combined with the general feeling that these two nations were brothers in the broad Asian sense, along with their shared struggle against Western imperialism. _ I agree that the Chinese invasion caught the Vietnamese military/intelligence somewhat off-guard. _ Tweets 7 to 9 are largely correct: the Chinese did accomplish the broad objectives they had laid out for themselves. There is some disagreement as to whether they had taken excessive casualties in trying to do so, or whether the Vietnamese defense was stiff enough to frustrate the Chinese battle plan, but this does sound a lot like the media coverage of the Ukraine conflict where the Baddies are assigned an arbitrary standard of "are they winning fast enough?", and then are judged to have "lost" because they didn't meet such a goal. Taken a little further, people then like to claim that the Sino-Vietnamese War was a defeat for China because they never took Hanoi and didn't get to annex any territory, but that was never Beijing's goal anyway. _ One thing I want to point out is that the end of the war wasn't really the end of the war. Even though the Chinese forces pulled out of Vietnamese territory after a month, and launched no further major combat operations afterwards, there was still active fighting and skirmishing along the border region well into the late 1980s. Indeed, fighting didn't completely end until after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. [fake edit: I see that the thread does address this in tweets 18 and 19] It's in this context that I'm of the opinion that China did win - it managed to extract concessions from Vietnam when it came to determining the future of Cambodia, it prevented the USSR from gaining a strong foothold in Vietnam (whether or not that was ever really going to happen), and they "out-waited" the Vietnamese until their "sponsor" in Moscow eventually collapsed and the perceived threat was removed. It was Hanoi that had to send a delegation with hats in their hands to negotiate a peace and a normalization of relations. _ The thread also makes a correct point in that the conflict revealed some weaknesses in the PLA that Beijing themselves acknowledged - that they were lagging behind in air-power and organization, and that their war planning was still based around WW2 principles. To be clear, it did work, but they saw what warfare was like during the Gulf War, right after they'd wrapped-up this affair with Vietnam, and realized that they were well behind the West, and this was a driver of some reforms within the military. _ Finally, I agree that there is no comparable parallel to the end of this conflict, to that of Ukraine today. The West is not (at least as far as we can see right now) on the path to collapsing as the USSR did, and will likely continue to feed the conflict well into the short- and medium-term. And even in a scenario where somehow there is a large pull-back of support from Ukraine and Kiev is left to fend for itself, the political sphere in Kiev has been molded to a point where there will likely be enmity against Russia for a long time. Most of the civilian population will likely go along with their occupation by Russian forces, but terrorism and guerrilla warfare and harassment fire? That's going to be in the cards for years.
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