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Namtab posted:I chose to step down. I got a look behind the curtain, what its like to have the target on your back and I wasn't able to handle the feeling. I felt an actual wave of relief when i posted that i wanted to step down. that sucks to hear dude. stay strong
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moonmazed posted:just close qcs for the love of god sometimes it does feel like questions, concern trolling, and suggestions I agree
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Jul 12, 2022 01:53
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Jagged Jim posted:How on earth did you come to this conclusion? Have you never posted here before? i use very few subforums and very few threads, i probably have less than 20 threads bookmarked. i had literally never seen forums drama on SA before the current arc
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AlternateNu posted:So, what the gently caress is going on? As much as possible without naming names, can we get some sort of framework or example on how mods are getting targeted? Fluffdaddy posted:I am not a monolith, nor do I own this site. The reason I tell people to message Jeff is because at the end of the day, he owns the place and should be making the decision of who needs to go permanently. like at the very least imo i think qcs should just be something where only the op and mods/admins can post in a thread. i dont think every thread about an issue needs 500 posts of commentary or branching, somewhat related drama, and it wouldnt really prevent people's ability to call stuff out at all. if anything itd probably help since as it is now its easy for ancillary stuff to get brought up in a thread midstream and get ignored because everyones mostly focused on the main issue. this feels like a change even jeff would be on board with. marumaru posted:i use very few subforums and very few threads, i probably have less than 20 threads bookmarked. i had literally never seen forums drama on SA before the current arc
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Nyoro posted:sometimes it does feel like questions, concern trolling, and suggestions I agree on the other hand, Sour Diesel posted:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/203227948986138624/996194158479933590/abyss.mp4
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Endorph posted:i mean... why turns out a bitcoin millionaire who's obsessed enough with a dying internet forum to drop big figgies on it isn't actually a good community manager or a good site owner
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Endorph posted:if they want to make money off sa just go full into the chaos and let people pay 50 bucks to ban anyone they dont like. 500 bucks for a permaban. theyd be millionaires. SA poster hurt and heal thread. 10 dollars per post
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Jul 12, 2022 01:54
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symbolic posted:on the other hand, oh made in abyss is trash, I don't think there's any debate there i don't think the mods of SA created it though
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Space Flower posted:SA poster hurt and heal thread. 10 dollars per post
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Jul 12, 2022 01:55
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Nyoro posted:oh made in abyss is trash, I don't think there's any debate there I might as well had. I was called not only a pedophile, but that I hate my own race as well. Like what the gently caress?
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AlternateNu posted:So, what the gently caress is going on? As much as possible without naming names, can we get some sort of framework or example on how mods are getting targeted? The QCS posting clique is the long and the short. People who are actively aggressive about pursuing and punishing thought crimes and running out anyone who does them or their favorite posters wrong. They'll toe the line as closely as possible to the rules and even overstep them from time to time fully knowing they'll never eat a Perma after being banned any number of times. A lot of them also post in CSPAM
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Jul 12, 2022 01:56
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the ideal SA mod is a person with the mental fortitude to know that someone is complaining about you in qcs and then not click on the thread this kind of mentality is extremely rare
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Endorph posted:i applaud you for somehow missing the vtuber thing i literally only know that there was a vtuber thread, there's no vtuber thread anymore, and people post extremely unfunny and cringy videos of adults doing impressions of anime voice actors while they play videogames in this thread  i was probably around itt at the time of that drama but my brain just shuts off when the v word shows up on screen
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Fluffdaddy posted:I am not a monolith, nor do I own this site. The reason I tell people to message Jeff is because at the end of the day, he owns the place and should be making the decision of who needs to go permanently. Jeff should set out clear guidelines and processes then which other admins, then mods and IKs can follow without the need to defer to Jeff constantly and flounder around worrying about overstepping the mark. I get trying to not step on anyone's toes but being too hands off leads to situations like this.
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Nyoro posted:oh made in abyss is trash, I don't think there's any debate there no, no, you're supposed to go "lol"
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Fluffdaddy posted:I might as well had. I was called not only a pedophile, but that I hate my own race as well. Like what the gently caress? That seems like something that should be deserving of a ban if a poster is slinging that
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Jul 12, 2022 01:57
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The problem is that the people most dedicated to forums drama are absolutely not the people who should be involved in forums drama.
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Xelkelvos posted:That seems like something that should be deserving of a ban if a poster is slinging that You would think
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Jul 12, 2022 01:58
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what does race have to do with made in abyss E: don't tell me i don't wanna know
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Jeff should set out clear guidelines and processes then which other admins, then mods and IKs can follow without the need to defer to Jeff constantly and flounder around worrying about overstepping the mark. I get trying to not step on anyone's toes but being too hands off leads to situations like this. Jeff either doesn't care or is too cautious in making more strict rules about some of this. He also thinks some of the more problematic people are funny. ADTRW isn't the first subforum to lose a mod over QCS getting snippy about some thing or another too.
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Waffleman_ posted:what does race have to do with made in abyss nothing fluffdaddy's just black (iirc, apologize if i got that wrong) and for some reason someone wanted to throw that in there because they were mad at him
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Jeff should set out clear guidelines and processes then which other admins, then mods and IKs can follow without the need to defer to Jeff constantly and flounder around worrying about overstepping the mark. I get trying to not step on anyone's toes but being too hands off leads to situations like this. I agree, Jeff should do literally anything related to the site
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Jul 12, 2022 02:00
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Endorph posted:the made in abyss thread was very bad, some guys made shitposts in the thread about it, they got jumpbanned, the thread was actually bad fair call, bans got rescinded, qcs turned into a drama fire over multiple days over whether people who posted in the mia thread should be banned and which ones, with basically every possible decision getting people yelled at one way or the other. I 100% agree, while its good in theory to have something like QCS to publicly petition to redress grievances it's been abused to hell and back. Whenever I've felt like I've had an issue with a moderator's decision and thought about posting a QCS thread I always decided hell no it's not worth the hassle of having dozens of people flocking to the thread like vultures.
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Endorph posted:nothing fluffdaddy's just black (iirc, apologize if i got that wrong) and for some reason someone wanted to throw that in there because they were mad at him lol
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symbolic posted:on the other hand, were we like in between mods or something because i definitely just assumed those posts got blammed at some point, plus a mod never closed it, dog did
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ImpAtom posted:The problem is that the people most dedicated to forums drama are absolutely not the people who should be involved in forums drama. Then, maybe I should be the mod since I honestly don't care about any of this and would probably just probe people for walking a step out of line and move on.
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There needs to be a public venue to voice concerns about the forums, but QCS in its current form is a terrible way to do that.
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Arist posted:There needs to be a public venue to voice concerns about the forums, but QCS in its current form is a terrible way to do that. Individual subforum feedback threads is the best way to do this. I will keep pushing for it until it happens. But again, I am not a monolith.
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cheetah7071 posted:the ideal SA mod is a person with the mental fortitude to know that someone is complaining about you in qcs and then not click on the thread I never go to QCS so clearly I'm the best for the job.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I 100% agree, while its good in theory to have something like QCS to publicly petition to redress grievances it's been abused to hell and back. Whenever I've felt like I've had an issue with a moderator's decision and thought about posting a QCS thread I always decided hell no it's not worth the hassle of having dozens of people flocking to the thread like vultures. The big problem is that it's basically been abused by people with an axe to grind and have more than enough time and numbers to harass any mod or admin to get their way knowing full well that they'll get a slap on the wrist in the end and no lasting punishment, even after pattern after pattern emerges.
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im sorry your first day on the job blew rear end namtab and u resigned, i hope u can take some time off to refresh and stuff 
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Anyways, SA is gonna die a slow death if you just try to rely on hoping you can find mods who are okay with things the way they are. Structural changes of some kind are needed. While user feedback is valuable, and this whole thing was kicked off by people who were right (the initial bans were bad), there's a subset of the QCS population that immediately smell blood in the water and chase the high of nailing the bad guys, without putting any particular thought into who or what they go after. Whether the structural changes are technical or in how qcs is handled manually doesn't really matter. But the status quo is that, in three years, SA will have no mods left.
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I Am Fowl posted:I never go to QCS so clearly I'm the best for the job. i only found out what QCS is because it's being posted in this page a lot you may have a bachelor's degree but i have a master's, kiddo
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Fluffdaddy posted:Individual subforum feedback threads is the best way to do this. I will keep pushing for it until it happens. But again, I am not a monolith.
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cheetah7071 posted:Anyways, SA is gonna die a slow death if you just try to rely on hoping you can find mods who are okay with things the way they are. Structural changes of some kind are needed. While user feedback is valuable, and this whole thing was kicked off by people who were right (the initial bans were bad), there's a subset of the QCS population that immediately smell blood in the water and chase the high of nailing the bad guys, without putting any particular thought into who or what they go after. Whether the structural changes are technical or in how qcs is handled manually doesn't really matter. But the status quo is that, in three years, SA will have no mods left. well from what I understand Jeff doesn't care, is the thing. I would imagine also that ADTRW is the least of his cares, probably
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Nyoro posted:well from what I understand Jeff doesn't care, is the thing. I would imagine also that ADTRW is the least of his cares, probably It's not like this is a problem unique to ADTRW.
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another clueless marumaru question: are the people complaining about ADTRW modding actually ADTRW posters or concern trolls? i dont think i want to trudge through 900 pages of QCS posts to find out
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Endorph posted:i dont think that would really work, thosed just get rushed into whenever there's a problem with an individual subforum, and then those people would leak out into other threads on said subforum. My other idea to supplement it is to ban anyone coming in to be an rear end in a top hat. But not by the mod of that sub, but another Admin. Like if there was a TFF feedback and someone came in to call the TFF mods baby killers or pedos or whatever, I would ban them. Or if it were an anime one, I would have another admin handling any probations while we discussed feedback like normal adults.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Individual subforum feedback threads is the best way to do this. I will keep pushing for it until it happens. But again, I am not a monolith. the last ADTRW feedback thread didn't exactly go great
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marumaru posted:another clueless marumaru question: are the people complaining about ADTRW modding actually ADTRW posters or concern trolls? i dont think i want to trudge through 900 pages of QCS posts to find out What do you think
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