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drawkcab si eman ym: Jan 2, 2006

TheIncredulousHulk posted:

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Your original contention was "Pete is the best candidate for the general in 2024"

Responding with "they could install him at the convention" when asked how you arrived at this conclusion is not an explanation of your reasoning dude

Best primary candidates: Joe, Gavin, Kamala, Pete, Hillary

Best GE Candidates: Joe, Kamala and Pete.

Based on PI.

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# ? Jul 12, 2022 00:36

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# ? May 24, 2024 05:58

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

PT6A posted:

The Dems (and their fellow travellers around the world) need to realize: that poo poo counts even if you can't quantify it. Fetterman should give them a clue, I hope.

Democratically elected politicians represent us. That's literally the definition of their job, that's why the exist. People we cannot relate to, and who do not attempt to relate to us, will suffer at the ballot box. And, here's the great thing: you can totally fake it! Look at GWB and Trump and BoJo! They're rich assholes who don't give a gently caress about you, and have no idea what your life is like, and they'd kill themselves if they had to switch places with you, but they learned to fake it. It's not debate club, you can't win just by having the best argument. You should, as a general principle, do right by the people you represent and by society as a whole, but that's not sufficient to guarantee electoral victory.

Trump didn't really fake anything. He still was an gold-toilet billionaire who never got his hands dirty.

It turns out, the only part you need with many people is "say the racist poo poo that we think to ourselves".

# ? Jul 12, 2022 00:39

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

Bar Ran Dun posted:

Newsom is human slime though. I think his popularity outside of CA will be much lower than expected.

He's such an obviously repulsive person in the rear end in a top hat Used Car Salesman way, but he was also just in the news a little bit ago with some anger at the party for being feckless

https://twitter.com/Elex_Michaelson/status/1522053107542159360

Which is the right approach to take right now and something a lot of Democrats are feeling. Using that tack is probably the only way Biden doesn't just lurch into renomination

# ? Jul 12, 2022 00:39

Mendrian: Jan 6, 2013

Rigel posted:

Northeastern voters seem to have this weird attitude of "We shouldn't ever let those Republican assholes run everything.... buuuut you need a check in there somewhere so that the Democrats don't just go crazy with the budget". There always seems to be some random Republican governors somewhere in the northeast that you normally think shouldn't be there.

Right now we have Republican governors in MD, MA, NH, and VT

On the other side of it we somehow have Democrats in KS, KY, and LA.

Kansas I can explain since I'm in the area, the GOP just wrecked the state SO AMAZINGLY BADLY that the people voted for a Democrat out of sheer desperation to finally end the stupid "cut all the taxes for job growth" experiment to get the government funded. She'll probably get tossed right back out this November.

IMHO, having been born, raised, and lived 2/3 of my life in the NE, I think this is close, but it's not so much 'balance' is something akin to blue-collar gumption.

There is something like a union sentiment that still exists in the NE and it doesn't fit neatly into the political spectrum. You get some people who are of the 'socially progressive, fiscally conservative' opinion, you get genuine socialists, you get unionists with nasty racists streaks, and a whole bunch of other stuff. It's a weird pot that could really be pushed in either direction and I think a lot of people in MA, in particular, take it for granted that they live in a blue stronghold and don't really examine why or what that means, and it makes it potentially vulnerable to a particular flavor of populist that thankfully has not yet arisen but easily could.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 00:57

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Lemming posted:

He's such an obviously repulsive person in the rear end in a top hat Used Car Salesman way, but he was also just in the news a little bit ago with some anger at the party for being feckless

https://twitter.com/Elex_Michaelson/status/1522053107542159360

Which is the right approach to take right now and something a lot of Democrats are feeling. Using that tack is probably the only way Biden doesn't just lurch into renomination

lmao, Newsom was one of Biden's earliest & most ardent supporters during the 2020 primary.

And even in that tweet he castigates "the Democratic Party," not its de facto leader.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 00:59

Nelson Mandingo: Mar 27, 2005

I never understood the height argument when it comes to politicians. Is a really short guy going to get votes? Probably not. But anyone above 5'7 isn't exactly short.

If Fetterman loses in Pennsylvania then this argument should be forever retired.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 01:05

GoutPatrol: Oct 17, 2009; *Stupid Babby*

Christie got elected because he ran against Jon Corzine in 09 who had passed several tax hikes in 07 and then had the economy crumble in 09. Even then it was pretty close. For perspective, the 2021 election with a media narrative of "Dems barely hold on to NJ with Republicans striking back" when Murphy won by 3.2%, and Christie beat Corzine by 3.6% in 09.

He won re-election in 13 because of his photo-ops with Obama after Sandy, where even my vote blue no matter who parents said "I'm not voting for him but he did a good job after Sandy." It then came out a year later that the Sandy rebuild fund was a huge clusterfuck with rampant corruption and Bridgegate and everything else hit the fan with him.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 01:11

Charliegrs: Aug 10, 2009

TheIncredulousHulk posted:

On what do you base the idea that Pete is a more viable candidate in the general than Newsom? He's never won anything bigger than a small town mayorship and his points of appeal don't appear to translate outside of a few specific subsets of the Democrat primary electorate, and his current job is one of the public faces of a disaster of presidential administration. Also, as Obama himself pointed out, Pete is short. The official claim is 5'9, which as observed with Ben Shapiro and Marco Rubio, is a height point claimed by people shorter than 5'9 who can't pass as average height but don't want to admit they're that far below it. That's the same claimed height as Ron DeSantis, and IMO a big reason I wouldn't expect him to survive a primary fight against Trump. Aesthetics are a huge part of general election appeal and Pete gets absolutely washed in that department by someone like Newsom

You forgot to mention he's gay which is going to turn off a lot of voters in the "moderate" right and left.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 01:21

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

Willa Rogers posted:

lmao, Newsom was one of Biden's earliest & most ardent supporters during the 2020 primary.

And even in that tweet he castigates "the Democratic Party," not its de facto leader.

Newsom is exactly the kind of snake who would throw anyone under the bus he thinks will put him personally ahead. I had the displeasure of hearing him give a speech once, and every base instinct I had was telling me he was waiting for me to fall asleep so he could slit my throat and eat my young. I don't believe for a second he'd support the establishment one more inch than it personally benefits him, and he's smart enough to go for an opening if he sees it

It's not that I think it's the most likely scenario, but I don't see any other way of Biden not being renominated than someone thinking they can ride that particular kind of frustration, and Newsom has clearly been testing the waters

# ? Jul 12, 2022 01:41

FizFashizzle: Mar 30, 2005

Newsome vs Trump would be great because both he and his competitors son would both have been married to the same person.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 02:06

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Willa Rogers posted:

lmao, Newsom was one of Biden's earliest & most ardent supporters during the 2020 primary.

And even in that tweet he castigates "the Democratic Party," not its de facto leader.

Newsom is probably going to be president and it's a Good Thing. (I didn't say 2024)

FizFashizzle posted:

Newsome vs Trump would be great because both he and his competitors son would both have been married to the same person.

I'd like to see trump go 'he has a great taste In women' and then go 'hes a communist on the level of mao' in the same sentence.

I really don't think Trump would do well against newsom. I mean Newsom is a very successful business owner. And the name of his business you might be asking? It's the state of California fuckers.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 02:25

nine-gear crow: Aug 10, 2013

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Newsom is probably going to be president and it's a Good Thing. (I didn't say 2024)

I'd like to see trump go 'he has a great taste In women' and then go 'hes a communist on the level of mao' in the same sentence.

I really don't think Trump would do well against newsom. I mean Newsom is a very successful business owner. And the name of his business you might be asking? It's the state of California fuckers.

Newsom has also had training going up against a dangerous, well-funded lunatic in an election with apocalyptic stakes for his constituents in the form of Larry Elder. If he could fend off Larry Elder, he could (possibly) kick Trump's rear end too. Maybe.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 02:35

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

nine-gear crow posted:

Newsom has also had training going up against a dangerous, well-funded lunatic in an election with apocalyptic stakes for his constituents in the form of Larry Elder. If he could fend off Larry Elder, he could (possibly) kick Trump's rear end too. Maybe.

To me, Newsom always gives me sleazy car salesman vibes. Part of my concern with him is that his entire career has essentially been him trying to angle his way into the Presidency. He's a generally standard corporate Dem on most issues, but he's smart enough to know that when something as titanic as Roe being overturned happens, it's good politics to at least pretend you are doing something.

Sadly, I think he would still be a better President than Biden would, but that's really not saying much at this point. The main thing he has going in his favor is that CA is doing well right now. Most of that has little to do with him. He has also been responsible for killing some progressive initiatives in CA like the high speed rail project.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 02:42

Gripweed: Nov 8, 2018

Newsom probably has the best shot, because he's not tainted with the stink of the Biden administration. Kamala and Pete would be in real trouble. Neither have any achievements of their own and both are tied to the least popular president since the last one.

Really a lot of this is going to come down to how much latitude SCOTUS gives states to write election law, and how many states are in Republican control after the midterms. If Wisconsin brings back literacy tests or something, that changes the calculations.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 02:43

DEEP STATE PLOT: Aug 13, 2008; Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!

remember when it came out that newsom interfered with the investigation into activision-blizzard's horrifying rampant sexual abuse and harassment

gently caress that shitbag

# ? Jul 12, 2022 02:47

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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

remember when it came out that newsom interfered with the investigation into activision-blizzard's horrifying rampant sexual abuse and harassment

gently caress that shitbag

That was a deep state plot to defame Newsom.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 02:48

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Honestly the thing I remember him the most for is attending some fancy dinner in Napa at a donor's house while the whole state was locked down from Covid

# ? Jul 12, 2022 02:50

DeadlyMuffin: Jul 3, 2007

FlamingLiberal posted:

Honestly the thing I remember him the most for is attending some fancy dinner in Napa at a donor's house while the whole state was locked down from Covid

It was a wine cave. That's how I learned wine caves were a thing.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 02:54

ILL Machina: Mar 25, 2004; Glory to Italia!

Ayy!! This text is-a the color of marinara! Ohhhh!! Dat's amore!!

A callback to buttigeg's og wine cave meme.

Where did this car salesman thing come from about newsome? That's not the first I've heard it. Dude's hair needs a little relaxing and he could deviate from grey suits more often for sure but it's weird to hear that exact framing used repeatedly.

ILL Machina fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Jul 12, 2022

# ? Jul 12, 2022 03:05

SubG: Aug 19, 2004; It's a hard world for little things.

DeadlyMuffin posted:

It was a wine cave. That's how I learned wine caves were a thing.

Wait, there was a second Newsom lockdown dinner party? The one I remember was at the French Laundry.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 03:10

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

The sad thing is that 'slimy opportunistic used car salesman' is probably a genuine step up from the shoddy decorum golems with slavish loyalty to the Party instead of critical thinking skills.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 03:18

Mendrian: Jan 6, 2013

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The sad thing is that 'slimy opportunistic used car salesman' is probably a genuine step up from the shoddy decorum golems with slavish loyalty to the Party instead of critical thinking skills.

Well yeah slimy used car salesman politician implies they want to actually sell you on something as opposed to "what am I supposed to do, help?"

# ? Jul 12, 2022 03:19

VideoGameVet: May 14, 2005; It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Great thread ...

https://twitter.com/DempseyTwo/status/1546598480055001090?s=20&t=sqqUQJfooOtCYQH2QpH70g

Ties a lot of the 1/6 groups together

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# ? Jul 12, 2022 03:37

Oracle: Oct 9, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Probably none right now. California has the advantage of being huge, having a massive economy, and basically being a one party state, so they can get things done when they want to.

Vermont or Massachusetts would likely be it if they didn't have weird obsessions with voting in left-wing legislatures and moderate Republican Governors.

Hawaii, New Jersey, or Washington state are probably the most left-wing current state governments that aren't California; depending on what issues you prioritize.

And once again you coastal fucks completely forget about Illinois, which has had a supermajority blue state assembly since 2012 (with a slight blip) and been under Democratic control since 2002 and reliably voted Democratic for president since Clinton. The Big Three Dem strongholds are considered California, New York, and Illinois. Hell we just repealed our parental notification of abortion act before Dodds came down which I think was the last abortion law on the books. Which is good because we are surrounded by a sea of chuds and those women are going to need a place to run.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 03:46

Heck Yes! Loam!: Nov 15, 2004; a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

VideoGameVet posted:

Great thread ...

https://twitter.com/DempseyTwo/status/1546598480055001090?s=20&t=sqqUQJfooOtCYQH2QpH70g

Ties a lot of the 1/6 groups together

Time for some game theory 1/246

We already know that Ginni Thomas is knee deep in this. It's not bad info but it's a very red string between the pictures on a closet wall vibe.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 03:51

Herstory Begins Now: Aug 5, 2003; SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

FlamingLiberal posted:

To me, Newsom always gives me sleazy car salesman vibes. Part of my concern with him is that his entire career has essentially been him trying to angle his way into the Presidency. He's a generally standard corporate Dem on most issues, but he's smart enough to know that when something as titanic as Roe being overturned happens, it's good politics to at least pretend you are doing something.

Sadly, I think he would still be a better President than Biden would, but that's really not saying much at this point. The main thing he has going in his favor is that CA is doing well right now. Most of that has little to do with him. He has also been responsible for killing some progressive initiatives in CA like the high speed rail project.

yeah that's politician slime, which newsom is coated in head to toe at all times

# ? Jul 12, 2022 04:08

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

ILL Machina posted:

A callback to buttigeg's og wine cave meme.

Where did this car salesman thing come from about newsome? That's not the first I've heard it. Dude's hair needs a little relaxing and he could deviate from grey suits more often for sure but it's weird to hear that exact framing used repeatedly.

If you're like me you mostly read everything and don't watch much TV news so you never watch actual speeches. Watch one of his speeches. It'll immediately make sense

# ? Jul 12, 2022 04:19

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Why are used car salesmen the go-to for disgusting, venal rear end in a top hat comparisons when realtors are right there?

In the year of our lord 2022, we should have a better idea of who our enemies are.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 04:28

Riptor: Apr 13, 2003; here's to feelin' good all the time

Rigel posted:

Northeastern voters seem to have this weird attitude of "We shouldn't ever let those Republican assholes run everything.... buuuut you need a check in there somewhere so that the Democrats don't just go crazy with the budget". There always seems to be some random Republican governors somewhere in the northeast that you normally think shouldn't be there.

in MA at least this is compounded by the gubernatorial elections not lining up with Presidential elections. If they were on the same schedule I don't think we'd end up with GOP governors

# ? Jul 12, 2022 04:38

Oracle: Oct 9, 2004

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Time for some game theory 1/246

We already know that Ginni Thomas is knee deep in this. It's not bad info but it's a very red string between the pictures on a closet wall vibe.

Read the thread. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1546598480055001090.html

# ? Jul 12, 2022 04:49

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

PT6A posted:

Why are used car salesmen the go-to for disgusting, venal rear end in a top hat comparisons when realtors are right there?

In the year of our lord 2022, we should have a better idea of who our enemies are.

It was used in anti-Nixon campaign material in the 1960 race, and no one has bothered to update the comparison I suppose :shrug:

Although those ads suggested Nixon was too dishonest to be a used car salesman!

# ? Jul 12, 2022 04:52

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

PT6A posted:

Why are used car salesmen the go-to for disgusting, venal rear end in a top hat comparisons when realtors are right there?

In the year of our lord 2022, we should have a better idea of who our enemies are.

They're both pretty bad, but car salesmen tend to be more viscerally unpleasant, while realtors are closer to the dead-eyed failchildren who have the easiest jobs in the world.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 05:07

Oracle: Oct 9, 2004

Ghost Leviathan posted:

They're both pretty bad, but car salesmen tend to be more viscerally unpleasant, while realtors are closer to the dead-eyed failchildren who have the easiest jobs in the world.

There's also the fact that while owning a house is not something everyone does, owning a car in America is nigh necessary and usually the most expensive thing most people will ever buy (barring being able to buy a house).

# ? Jul 12, 2022 05:20

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The only stuff from the Hunter Biden iCloud thing I've seen that involve Joe are mostly just sad texts where Hunter is scamming him for huge amounts of money by saying he needs it for rehab.

The rest of it is standard Hunter Biden - smoking crack in a sensory deprivation tank, calling his step-mom a oval office, a bunch more dick pics of himself, and texts about sleeping with many different women.

There's also Hunter's phone list with his dad listed as Pedo Peter alongside his stepmom (Biden's deep cover nic was Peter Henderson, after a Clancy character) but that's gotta be a 4chan 'shop, right? RIGHT? :cry:

And just an extraordinary amount of money spent on hookers that he masked as funds for rehab; Hunter's the hookers-and-blow (or crack) trope come to life. But as long as the hookers weren't transported across state lines and/or minors, what's a little banking Suspicious Activity Reporting among friends?

# ? Jul 12, 2022 05:33

Star Man: Jun 1, 2008; There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

Hunter Biden sounds like a real piece of work. Holy fuckin poo poo

# ? Jul 12, 2022 06:01

Twincityhacker: Feb 18, 2011

I cannot explain how little I care about Biden's failson using money for sex workers and drugs.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 06:12

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
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Watching hunter Biden with a milf swapping between smoking his cock and a cigarette has burned a hole in my brain.

Yes hunter has a huge cock.

This will spare some of you the need to size him up yourself.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 06:15

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Twincityhacker posted:

I cannot explain how little I care about Biden's failson using money for sex workers and drugs.

I kind of care that his dad has spent the last several decades bragging about helping to pass laws that put people in prison for doing what he was financing his son to do.

# ? Jul 12, 2022 06:27

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

Willa Rogers posted:

I kind of care that his dad has spent the last several decades bragging about helping to pass laws that put people in prison for doing what he was financing his son to do.

Exactly, so who cares about Hunter

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

The sad thing is that 'slimy opportunistic used car salesman' is probably a genuine step up from the shoddy decorum golems with slavish loyalty to the Party instead of critical thinking skills.

FlamingLiberal posted:

He's a generally standard corporate Dem on most issues, but he's smart enough to know that when something as titanic as Roe being overturned happens, it's good politics to at least pretend you are doing something.

I often find myself thinking about that Lewis Black bit after the Iraq War started, admonishing the Bush administration's woeful lack of evidence with "Couldn't they at least Photoshop a scud missile on the back of a camel?"

For me, one of the most frustrating parts of politics is the continued removal of this mask, revealing the utter contempt for voters.

Honestly, how hard is it to say, "that's still important and we are working on it?" to infinity than to blatantly say "Abortion rights just aren't a priority for our party"?

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