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exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
harris is appearing to discuss a tuna treaty apparently lol

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Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Ghost Leviathan posted:

This honestly explains so much.

i'm only half kidding, i've definitely posted before in the epstein thread that people should critically examine why the ruling class are all pedophiles and not like, dogfuckers, because it is not a coincidence.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Zodium posted:

i'm only half kidding, i've definitely posted before in the epstein thread that people should critically examine why the ruling class are all pedophiles and not like, dogfuckers, because it is not a coincidence.

the ruling class being gross pedophiles predates capitalism and also feudalism

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Rutibex posted:

the ruling class being gross pedophiles predates capitalism and also feudalism

why put all the effort into joining and staying in a ruling class unless you want to do something that no sane person would let you do if you weren't protected from consequences?

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Zodium posted:

why put all the effort into joining and staying in a ruling class unless you want to do something that no sane person would let you do if you weren't protected from consequences?

I think its more general than that. the ruling class are sociopaths who don't feel empathy. becoming pedophiles is just an extension of their general behavior of treating other humans as livestock

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

eSports Chaebol posted:

offtopic i guess but also CHINA WATCHING is the same thing. like if you just were literate in chinese and english, and just read everything the CCP puts out, and summarized it in english, you would literally be the worlds foremost western china expert. but nobody does that because theres no money in it, unlike just making poo poo up about china, which is a vast field of theology

The craziest part is that people just assume their government (especially if they live in a big/important/rich country) has people working in at least one ministry (foreign affairs, defense, trade, all of the above) basically doing exactly this so that we may properly understand, do business and conduct foreign relations with each other. Or at least have some nerd working at a three letter agency just translating all this stuff so we can better disupt them (how you gonna disrupt what you don't understand?) or whatever.

Except uhh, our governments don't actually do any of this poo poo. The China watchers and Kremlinologists etc run the show when it comes to understanding China and Russia even when it comes to our government bureaucrats and highest elected officials.
IIRC at least in the movie version of Tom Clancy's Sum of All Fears, Jack Ryan's job at the start was literally doing this for some spook agency. Except as far as I can tell, these jobs don't actually exist (anymore?).

I suppose it's possible countries like the Soviet Union, maybe modern day Russia as a legacy of this, and indeed China, do actually do this. I wouldn't know. It just seems like the most basic rear end way to understand a foreign government/country.

Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 10:40 on Jul 12, 2022

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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but at what cost

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


Orange Devil posted:

The craziest part is that people just assume their government (especially if they live in a big/important/rich country) has people working in at least one ministry (foreign affairs, defense, trade, all of the above) basically doing exactly this so that we may properly understand, do business and conduct foreign relations with each other. Or at least have some nerd working at a three letter agency just translating all this stuff so we can better disupt them (how you gonna disrupt what you don't understand?) or whatever.

Except uhh, our governments don't actually do any of this poo poo. The China watchers and Kremlinologists etc run the show when it comes to understanding China and Russia even when it comes to our government bureaucrats and highest elected officials.
IIRC at least in the movie version of Tom Clancy's Sum of All Fears, Jack Ryan's job at the start was literally doing this for some spook agency. Except as far as I can tell, these jobs don't actually exist (anymore?).

I suppose it's possible countries like the Soviet Union, maybe modern day Russia as a legacy of this, and indeed China, do actually do this. I wouldn't know. It just seems like the most basic rear end way to understand a foreign government/country.

The Americans are straight up too racist to bother. Empires fall from within and what you're seeing is a result of americas triumphalist neo-liberal hubris.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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Southpaugh posted:

The Americans are straight up too racist to bother. Empires fall from within and what you're seeing is a result of americas triumphalist neo-liberal hubris.

anyone who can read chinese must be too compromised by the seeseepee

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
You guys keep saying the West doesn't spend any resource on studying the competitions (China Russia). You know, it's worse than that. I recently listen to a few book talks of Kevin Rudd's new book "The Avoidable War". He is actually surprisingly dove in term of the strategy he purpose. He wants a "managed competition" and this part I really like "may the best system win".

The way he talk about approach to China is very measured from his usual pet talks in Asia Society, which he currently runs. You got to wonder why would he hold the China cards so close to his sleeves until he write a book. That's because nobody in the west want to hear advise of a limited, and managed competition with China. That's why the US thinktank blob kinda dump the university professors, the people who actually study China and Russia, in the last few decades.

Think about it, what's the highest position can a Sinologist possibly achieve? Nothing can be higher than Kevin Rudd. And he is afraid to air his opinion out loud. Washington doesn't understand any news, or even government red headed policy files coming out of China except Wang Yi physically hand a list of demands printed in 20 point bold letters to Blinkin.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 14:15 on Jul 12, 2022

the white hand
Nov 12, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

exmarx posted:

harris is appearing to discuss a tuna treaty apparently lol

get ready for $85 poke bowls

ughhhh
Oct 17, 2012

America never needed to understand the other states, because America was the one building the future leaders of those countries. Why bother understanding those other nations when you have a closet full of Juan Guaidós and other fuckups ready to go.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

ughhhh posted:

America never needed to understand the other states, because America was the one building the future leaders of those countries. Why bother understanding those other nations when you have a closet full of Juan Guaidós and other fuckups ready to go.

Uuuuh Soviet Union?

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I wasn't joking when i said pedophilia is anticommunist.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

wikipedia posted:

Other theories allege that Dipendra was unhappy with the country's shift from an absolute to a constitutional monarchy, and that too much power had been given away following the 1990 People's Movement.[3] This is, in fact, unlikely. The crown prince responded to the 1990 uprising and return to an elected government with enthusiasm while a student at Eton College, where he was finishing his studies.

Zodium posted:

capitalism is a pedophilia ring that got out of hand.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The funniest thing about Dipendra's royal massacre is that he lived for 3 days after shooting himself, which technically made him king.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/liqian_ren/status/1546119000849285125
https://mobile.twitter.com/liqian_ren/status/1546119003956969472
https://mobile.twitter.com/liqian_ren/status/1546137603136708608
https://mobile.twitter.com/liqian_ren/status/1546657676259725312
https://mobile.twitter.com/liqian_ren/status/1546696316683706370

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

thank you, sincerely, for this. it’s really frustrating how hard it is to find actual detailed news on China in English

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1546839773884588032

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,
so bizarre how the 1984 big brother country is so concerned with optics. we genuinely wouldn’t have to deal with poo poo like hired goons instead of cops attacking protestors, but also the government would straight up tell the depositors to get hosed and the free independent media would back up the government (with the correct amount of obligatory handwringing of course)

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

can anyone recommend a chinese dictionary app for android that lets you draw characters instead of using pinyin

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Washington Post reporter goes to Italy, is surprised they have pizza there

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

eSports Chaebol posted:

thank you, sincerely, for this. it’s really frustrating how hard it is to find actual detailed news on China in English

rfa English got you covered, comrade

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/rural-bank-protesters-07112022111152.html posted:


olice in the central Chinese province of Henan launched a mass beating operation at the weekend against crowds of protesters who had gathered in the provincial capital, Zhengzhou, in protest at a six-week-long freeze on bank withdrawals in the region.

"[The police] called in a bunch of people in civvies to beat people up till they were covered in blood," an eyewitness surnamed Sun told RFA on Monday. "It was awful ... [I saw] a group of men beating up a woman who was bleeding from the eye."

A video of the scene posted to social media showed hundreds of police in black and white T-shirts charging a crowd of some 3,000 bank depositors outside the Zhengzhou branch of the People's Bank of China in the early hours of Sunday.

The video, uploaded to the Henan Rural Bank Rights Protection in Progress Twitter account, showed protesters shouting "Henan Bank, give me back my money!" and then calling on local ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP) financial regulator Qin Hanfeng to come out and talk to them.

At this point, armed police fired shots into the air, and the crowd retreated, shouting "[They're] arresting [people]!" interspersed by further gunshot.

Many were holding up placards and banners demanding the right to withdraw their funds from local branches of rural banks, in a recurring protest that has been largely unreported by China's state-controlled news outlets.

Sun said the people protesting had put their life-savings into what turned out to be criminal ventures.

"They worked hard and saved so much money, and wound up handing over to a den of thieves," she said.

Other video footage showed gangs of men in white T-shirts crowding around people to beat them up methodically, and hundreds of protesters being detained and put on board dozens of buses.

An officer who answered the phone at the Zhengzhou municipal police department didn't confirm that shots were fired.

"Where did you see this? Are you asking if it's true or not? I'm not aware of this, comrade," the officer said. "Sometimes police do fire warning shots in certain situations."

Asked about the whereabouts of the detained protesters, the officer replied: "We can't answer this, comrade. If you leave a number, I can register your inquiry and get back to you."

No reply had been received by the time of writing, however.

In response to the weekend protests, the Henan Banking and Insurance Regulatory Bureau and Henan Provincial Local Financial Regulatory Bureau announced Monday that some bank customers would receive advance payments beginning on July 15.

Shangcai Huimin Rural Bank, Zhecheng Huanghuai Rural Bank, and Kaifeng New Oriental Rural Bank will issue payments to customers with combined account amounts of less than 50,000 yuan (U.S. $ 7,500), while those with more than that amount will be paid later, the announcement said.

‘Extremely risky’

Sporadic protests have been occurring for weeks, with depositors sometimes prevented from traveling to protest sites when their "health code" COVID-19 monitoring app suddenly turns red.

In one video from May, protesters lie on the ground in a "die in," screaming repeatedly while holding up slogans; in another, they kneel and wail, begging for access to their own money.

Some 413,000 people have been left with no access to their money by the freeze on withdrawals, which the authorities say is linked to a massive police investigation into the businessman Lu Yi and his Henan New Fortune Group.

The Henan Provincial Local Financial Supervision Bureau said in a statement on its website on Sunday that the "relevant departments are speeding up the verification of customer information at four rural banks ... so as to protect the legitimate rights and interests of the general public."

According to Hong Kong's Ming Pao newspaper, the rural banks started in 2006 as part of China's rural revitalization plan, offering high interest on deposits.
Many rural savers, attracted by the high interest rates on deposits and referrals from salespeople, placed their entire life savings in these high-interest deposit products, it said.

By the end of 2021, there were 1,651 village and town banks in China, accounting for one-third of banking and institutions. Anyone wishing to set up a town-level village bank requires only 1 million yuan (U.S. $149,300) in registered capital, compared with 1 billion yuan (U.S. $149.3 million) for private banks nationwide.

The China Banking and Insurance Regulatory Commission recently reminded people that if any financial product promises a return of more than 6 percent, there should be a question mark over it, while anything offering a return of eight percent or more is "extremely risky."

Anyone investing in a product offering a 10-percent return should be prepared to lose all of their capital, the Ming Pao quoted the commission as saying in an apparent reference to the products offered by the Yuzhou Xinminsheng Rural Bank, Kaifeng New Oriental Rural Bank, Henan Shangcai Huimin Rural Bank, and Henan Tuocheng Huanghuai Rural Bank, which offered higher rates of return that China's four state-owned banks.

Many were prompted to transfer their entire savings, and even those of their parents, to the rural banks, only to find that withdrawals were blocked from April 18, 2022.

Many of the deposits were made via third parties, locking in funds for three or five years, at an annual interest rate of 4.8 percent.

Some of the banks' online transaction systems had been manipulated by Henan New Fortune Group, but none of the depositors had access to that information at the time.

if Chinese police trained with LAPD they’d know warning shots are dangerous and that you must only ever shoot to kill

https://cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/use-of-force.pdf

Bot 02
Apr 2, 2010

Dude... Did my plushie just talk?

Some Guy TT posted:

can anyone recommend a chinese dictionary app for android that lets you draw characters instead of using pinyin

Pleco has an option for drawing characters.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

They've already got a roadmap to the "Intermediate Stage of Socialism" by 2050, which is more planning than we've ever done.

China puts their white papers out in English, if you post here or if you're reading the thread go read some of them.

http://english.www.gov.cn/archive/whitepaper

Here u go dear reader enjoy the free polisci papers by Big China

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
I love this little detail


quote:

"[The police] called in a bunch of people in civvies to beat people up till they were covered in blood," an eyewitness surnamed Sun told RFA on Monday. "It was awful ... [I saw] a group of men beating up a woman who was bleeding from the eye."

Just like some captain in the Parachute Regiment when refering to the IRA in 1970s Derry, Chinese people also refer to civilian clothing as "civvies".

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

They're just not attending the summit. Kiribati is the only nation to announce they're withdrawing from organization.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Mantis42 posted:

sex lies and videotape doesn't even have any sex in it, what a bullshit film

it was also boring as gently caress lol

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The funniest thing about Dipendra's royal massacre is that he lived for 3 days after shooting himself, which technically made him king.
i love the technicality that if he lived, not only would he be king, but as king he’d also be immune from any prosecution lmfao dude might still be on the throne today

i wonder who was in charge of smothering him after figuring that out, and how long they waited before springing into action. 24 hours?

Gorman Thomas
Jul 24, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The funniest thing about Dipendra's royal massacre is that he lived for 3 days after shooting himself, which technically made him king.

Like consecutive no-hitters, killing 2 consecutive kings of the same nation is a record that will never be broken. Literal king poo poo.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

TenementFunster posted:

i love the technicality that if he lived, not only would he be king, but as king he’d also be immune from any prosecution lmfao dude might still be on the throne today

The monarchist government didn't fall apart from the loss of its royalty, it collapsed from being engaged in a Maoist people's war. Depending on his motives and ideology, King Diprendra may have lasted even less.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Gorman Thomas posted:

Like consecutive no-hitters, killing 2 consecutive kings of the same nation is a record that will never be broken. Literal king poo poo.
poo poo, wasn’t it closer to five?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The monarchist government didn't fall apart from the loss of its royalty, it collapsed from being engaged in a Maoist people's war. Depending on his motives and ideology, King Diprendra may have lasted even less.
i said might

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

exmarx posted:

harris is appearing to discuss a tuna treaty apparently lol

thinking about that time nancy made sure guam was excluded from a bill increasing the minimum wage. as it turns out she and her husband were big investors in starkist tuna at the time, and one of their biggest processing facilities employed a large number of minimum wage workers there

Gorman Thomas
Jul 24, 2007

TenementFunster posted:

poo poo, wasn’t it closer to five?

I guess it depends on the order of the killings lol

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

TenementFunster posted:

i love the technicality that if he lived, not only would he be king, but as king he’d also be immune from any prosecution lmfao dude might still be on the throne today

i wonder who was in charge of smothering him after figuring that out, and how long they waited before springing into action. 24 hours?

What are you talking about. The massacre effectively ended the Nepal monarchy and turned it (partially) communist.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Throatwarbler posted:

I love this little detail

Just like some captain in the Parachute Regiment when refering to the IRA in 1970s Derry, Chinese people also refer to civilian clothing as "civvies".

I mean isn't that the translator's word choice?

mossyfisk
Nov 8, 2010

FF0000
Should have said they were in mufti, that would reduce confusion.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
https://twitter.com/wmdglasgow/status/1546285326133772288?t=dhR4Igdhaj1RmcK1hruQBg&s=19

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

stephenthinkpad posted:

What are you talking about. The massacre effectively ended the Nepal monarchy and turned it (partially) communist.
I'm doing a fun thought experiment where we all imagine what it would be like if the king of nepal was a dude claimed the throne via family annihilation. you don't have to be such a sourpuss.

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Oct 5, 2010

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