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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
Which one is the fat guy movie

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je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

BrigadierSensible posted:

OK, this may be a cold take, and stupidly naive. But it is Chinese film adjacent, so it fits here. Please tell me if I am wrong.

I remember reading something a long while ago that said that the mainland Chinese cinema going public were not particularly interested in foreign films. Even the ones that had been edited/sanitized/approved by the censors/Party. They were more interested in going to see new locally made films. My personal anecdote about this is, in 2017 when I was living in Fuzhou I wanted to see the latest Star Wars film, (the 2nd of the sequels to the originals). But it was really hard to find a cinema that was showing it. Even though Fuzhou is a big enough city, one of the biggest international film releases of the year could only get on one screen in an outer suburban cinema. All the other places were showing Chinese films, (the aforementioned Wolf Warrior style movies, the sword and sorcery "epic"s, some silly comedy with a fat guy mugging for the camera on the film poster etc.)

So my point is: the Chinese money that Hollywood keeps chasing by pandering to the Chinese market with it's self censorship, and cutting a 2 second same sex kiss etc. That money is not the money of the Chinese ticket buying public, but instead the money of Chinese investors, who are flush with cash and potentially willing to throw it at films and film making.

Mostly false, tons of foreign films have been huge hits in the Chinese market, to the point where many western blockbusters made the majority of their total gross in China alone.

Star Wars just wasn't one of them, despite the marketing push it didn't click the way Transformers did

And ticket sales are skewed because the CCP puts hard limit on the number of foreign films approved to screen in Chinese cinemas, and that has more to do with protecting their homegrown films from being swept away by the competition than any real ideological censorship. Those limitations have only gotten stricter over the past decade. Local regulations also dictate the times and dates foreign films can show, to leave primetimes and holidays monopolized by Chinese war propaganda films

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_China

As you can see it's mostly domestically-produced films, which mostly came out in 2015 onward. Here's how the list looked in 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_China&oldid=614059993

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
I wish I could find the article about it but some chinese billionare wanted to make a movie called empires of the deep. He hired hollywood people to help him and the culture clashes were just epic.

He tried to win an arguement by pointing out he owned a sports car.

I also saw photo where some property developers were making a chinese hollywood by having their own version of the hollywood sign.

And finally I think with chasing chinese producer money it might just be a way for people to get money out of chinese since china does do currency controls.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

Ups_rail posted:

He tried to win an arguement by pointing out he owned a sports car.

And he didn’t win it? What the hell. He’s got a sports car for christ’s sake!

Paper Lion
Dec 14, 2009




remember monster hunt? that was a cool chinese movie that wasnt just 3 kingdoms/wukong again. i heard it got a sequel? was that one any good. are there more than one sequel. idk.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Paper Lion posted:

remember monster hunt? that was a cool chinese movie that wasnt just 3 kingdoms/wukong again. i heard it got a sequel? was that one any good. are there more than one sequel. idk.



I remember this film, (or maybe the first one), from when I lived there. The monster was very cute.

BrigadierSensible fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Jul 12, 2022

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

My man Tony Leong in these poo poo movies, smh.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

je1 healthcare posted:

Mostly false, tons of foreign films have been huge hits in the Chinese market, to the point where many western blockbusters made the majority of their total gross in China alone.

yah, my mst3k group threw on xXx: Return of Xander Cage and...

Budget: $85,000,000 (estimated)
Gross US & Canada: $44,898,413
Gross China: $164,066,583
Gross worldwide: $346,118,277

lovely american franchise sequels make BANK in china, comparatively speaking

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
were the chinese even familiar with the xXx series at all

Paper Lion
Dec 14, 2009




theyre familiar with vin diesel through the fast movies, so some financier probably figured that would be close enough

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Kchama posted:

The distinction is between whether you're attempting to achieve political power for someone else, or for yourself directly.

A politician is attempting to achieve money for himself, loads of it, always, off the record. That's why he was there.

Criss-cross
Jun 14, 2022

by Fluffdaddy

Ups_rail posted:

I also saw photo where some property developers were making a chinese hollywood by having their own version of the hollywood sign.

This seems pretty common for Chinese property developers: Look up Hallstatt China, a Chinese replica of a small Austrian scenic tourist town.

Or Tianducheng, with its own Eiffel Tower.

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands
Re: Chinese cultural exports, gaming seems a bit of a mixed bag - on one hand you get some pretty different and interesting indie titles (Chaos Galaxy, Sands of Salazar, and Amazing Cultivation Simulator for instance), but on the other hand you also get a ton of cheap shovelware (especially porn) titles as well as fancier games whose store page seems to think that “showcasing the 5000 years of rich Chinese culture” is more or less the only unique selling point they need. Also, even the good Chinese games tend to lean more heavily on grinding and blatant “make number bigger” style gameplay than comparable Western games, though in fairness that’s generally true of Japanese games as well, though not I think to the extent that China takes it.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,
On the other hand Genshin Impact is absolutely the apotheosis of Japanese videogames that somehow got made in China

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Tomn posted:

Re: Chinese cultural exports, gaming seems a bit of a mixed bag - on one hand you get some pretty different and interesting indie titles (Chaos Galaxy, Sands of Salazar, and Amazing Cultivation Simulator for instance), but on the other hand you also get a ton of cheap shovelware (especially porn) titles as well as fancier games whose store page seems to think that “showcasing the 5000 years of rich Chinese culture” is more or less the only unique selling point they need. Also, even the good Chinese games tend to lean more heavily on grinding and blatant “make number bigger” style gameplay than comparable Western games, though in fairness that’s generally true of Japanese games as well, though not I think to the extent that China takes it.

There's some pretty good ones, but even they can't avoid censorship completely unless they go fully for the international market (Pathea Games with My Time at Portia). See e.g. Tale of Immortal which forced users to install government spyware until the company relented in the face of abysmally bad Steam review drop.

Bunch of them also take place in/are inspired by Xinjiang, in a very "Xinjiang is and always has been China" way. Like Sands of Salzaar, say.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Jul 12, 2022

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Vegetable posted:

My man Tony Leong in these poo poo movies, smh.

I know. Same with Simon Yam. They’ve all been stuck in Mandarin trash purgatory.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
is there any awareness of older HK stuff in China? I imagine if you showed Shaw Brothers to the kids they would just be bored

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Alan Smithee posted:

is there any awareness of older HK stuff in China? I imagine if you showed Shaw Brothers to the kids they would just be bored

Probably a lot of 1980s and 90s stuff, I know I’ve seen HD versions of those pop up, but only with Mandarin dubbing, but they don’t look like old masters in the least, and we’re clearly remastered.

Those are the films that most likely made their way into the PRC during the opening up periods I am from General cross border travel and trade.

freelop
Apr 28, 2013

Where we're going, we won't need fries to see



Watched "A Chinese Ghost Story" last night as it was mentioned earlier in this thread and is free on Prime video.
Loved it, perfect amount of cheese

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

freelop posted:

"A Chinese Ghost Story" ... free on Prime video.


Thanks for the heads up

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

freelop posted:

Watched "A Chinese Ghost Story" last night as it was mentioned earlier in this thread and is free on Prime video.
Loved it, perfect amount of cheese

It’s very heavily indebted, in inspiration, from Evil Dead 1. I can’t remember if Evil Dead 2 predates A Chinese Ghost Story or not.

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

eSports Chaebol posted:

On the other hand Genshin Impact is absolutely the apotheosis of Japanese videogames that somehow got made in China

Didn't they use Japanese VAs over mandarin ones?

Paper Lion posted:

theyre familiar with vin diesel through the fast movies, so some financier probably figured that would be close enough

The film was also co-produced by Huahua Media and co-starred Chris Wu and Donnie Yen, whom were heavily promoted in the Chinese marketing push.

je1 healthcare fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Jul 13, 2022

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
Is racoon fur even long enough to spin into fabric? It would be like trying to create rope out of toothpicks.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

"No, they don't suffer while they're being shorn. They're already dead by then."

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014




Is it bad that I want this?

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

Brutal Garcon posted:

Is it bad that I want this?

It's not bad that you want what that label describes, but I don't think that's what it, or anything else in the world, is.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
sez here peeps in liaoning expecting contagion for banking npl and wealth management shenanigans

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-...ampaign=3185163

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Jul 14, 2022

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Marshal Prolapse posted:

It’s very heavily indebted, in inspiration, from Evil Dead 1. I can’t remember if Evil Dead 2 predates A Chinese Ghost Story or not.

Both came out in '87.

Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins

Devils Affricate posted:

It's not bad that you want what that label describes, but I don't think that's what it, or anything else in the world, is.

Apparently it comes from tanukis, not proper raccoons. At least that’s what it said on a website professing to be selling raccoon yarn.

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
arent those the extremely large ballsacks on legs?

Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins

Yolomon Wayne posted:

arent those the extremely large ballsacks on legs?

Yep. They can also turn to stone, rendering them temporarily invulnerable. This makes shaving them difficult.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
tanooki fur would be real expensive and furries would be nutting in/on them all the time

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Kchama posted:

Both came out in '87.

Thanks, so barring a very early release for evil dead two, that Tsui Hark might’ve seen somewhere, it’s only influenced by evil dead one. That said the idea of Hark seeing it at some sort of special event or screening as part of a film festival wouldn’t be hard to imagine happening.

Yes, I’m putting way too much thought into this.

Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins

Alan Smithee posted:

tanooki fur would be real expensive and furries would be nutting in/on them all the time

I dunno it said the fur comes from “raccoon dogs”, I assume that means tanuki.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
i really wanna see what a shorn raccoon looks like now

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

Tanukis do allow the shaving of their testes for cooling. Considering their size, I'd say there's enough there for a garment or two.

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

the cops just asked me to send them a bunch of pictures of me doing stuff in each season so that they can photoshop a cop watching me into each picture

not sure what to make of it

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

quite the opportunity to send the cops dick pics

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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

BrainDance posted:

the cops just asked me to send them a bunch of pictures of me doing stuff in each season so that they can photoshop a cop watching me into each picture

not sure what to make of it

Wear your ACAB shirt and gently caress the police hat in each one

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