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the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009
Shapps has gone. Rip

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Convex
Aug 19, 2010

Mega Comrade posted:

But if the goal is to normalise medical and recreational use you want to separate it from 'stoner culture' as much as possible.

Getting people to be ok with ripping on a bong in the park is gonna be way way harder than doing the same with a vape pen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbjHOBJzhb0

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

This made me lol when I was scrolling down my twitter feed

https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1546770401451204608

e:

Mega Comrade posted:

Getting people to be ok with ripping on a bong in the park is gonna be way way harder than doing the same with a vape pen.

I've been literally ripping on my bong in the park for months now, and not a single person has been offended. Far from it, curious people sometimes ask me what I'm doing, and I tell them. A common immediate followup question is "And does it help?" followed by questions about how easy it is to get a prescription.

https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1537061032824283137
I live in a rural posh Tory town too, so your assumptions don't seem to hold up to any reality that I'm experiencing. My regular picnic table, where I took the above video, is also right next to the Secondary school.

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Jul 12, 2022

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

the sex ghost posted:

Shapps has gone. Rip

Michael Green makes a surprise entrance in his place

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Mega Comrade posted:

But if the goal is to normalise medical and recreational use you want to separate it from 'stoner culture' as much as possible.

Getting people to be ok with ripping on a bong in the park is gonna be way way harder than doing the same with a vape pen.

Spoken like a true Mega Comrade.

Can't normalise hitting a vape pen which is almost completely indistinguishable from a regular vape.

(And yes I have a Pax vape for weed and technically you can smell that smelly smell a little if you're real close, but for all intents and purposes you can hit that poo poo anywhere and no one will notice)

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

fuctifino posted:

I've been literally ripping on my bong in the park for months now, and not a single person has been offended. Far from it, curious people sometimes ask me what I'm doing, and I tell them. A common immediate followup question is "And does it help?" followed by questions about how easy it is to get a prescription.

https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1537061032824283137
I live in a rural posh Tory town too, so your assumptions don't seem to hold up to any reality that I'm experiencing. My regular picnic table, where I took the above video, is also right next to the Secondary school.

Posh people silently judge, but they do judge. Just look at any village facebook page, its savage. Although they probably think you're just vaping nicotine products.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

fuctifino posted:

My regular picnic table, where I took the above video, is also right next to the Secondary school.

Matthew McConaughey in Dazed and Confused.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Mega Comrade posted:

Posh people silently judge, but they do judge. Just look at any village facebook page, its savage. Although they probably think you're just vaping nicotine products.

I've actually found internet strangers from around the world to be way more judgemental than any local. My medicinal cannabis is just cannabis, but grown with high standards, and it smells just like any other cannabis. I also have two large cannabis leaf stickers on my wheelchair, and often mention medicinal cannabis in those very savage local facebook groups you talk about. The locals know by now that I'm not vaping nicotine products.

No local person has shown offence. If someone wants to secretly judge me, then that's fine too. I don't care. I'll be continuing to vape Lemon Skunk, enjoy the sunshine and watch the many good doggos chase balls in the park.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"
I thought your video was great, fuct, and you have a very pleasant voice. They should pay you to do more.

I guess I am on the fence about the ripping huge bongs in the park thing. When I was a regular smoker, we only used bongs when we wanted to get absolutely off our heads, so I definitely understand the more negative connotations of using one in public. I guess, to use the same analogy as a previous poster, it's like the difference between drinking a pint in a Wetherspoons, and necking half a bottle of Jack Daniels in Wetherspoons.

I've only ever smoked recreationally though, so I don't really know if the same use case applies when it's medicinal.

RandomUserString
Jul 1, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lol at the absolute state of the Guardian.


quote:

Sunak remains the only candidate to have conveyed a steady competence in one of the toughest offices of state. His straight-talking and lack of evasive cliche in public have been a breath of fresh air. His final days at the Treasury saw him adamant in weighing the needs of public spending against the dangers of deficit and indebtedness. He fought Johnson’s plea for tax cuts to aid his personal survival. Sunak’s calm intelligence is desperately needed at this critical juncture in British government. One of his leading rivals, Liz Truss, is in comparison a confection of political vacuity.

That polls show Sunak favoured both by his party and by the wider British public answers to any doubts about whether Britons will favour a member of an immigrant family. An old maxim of war is to ask what your enemy most wants you to do – and try not to do it. Labour is praying for the Tories not to vote for Sunak. Enough said.

• Simon Jenkins is a Guardian columnist

Communist Bear
Oct 7, 2008

RandomUserString posted:

Lol at the absolute state of the Guardian.

There isn't a hmmyes big enough.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

He is right in a sense, Sunak is the best candidate they have so I sure as hell hope they don't pick him

Chinese Gordon
Oct 22, 2008

RandomUserString posted:

Lol at the absolute state of the Guardian.

Jenkins has always been poo poo and constantly wrong about everything. He's probably not actually wrong about Sunak being Keith's least preferred opponent, though.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Chinese Gordon posted:

Jenkins has always been poo poo and constantly wrong about everything. He's probably not actually wrong about Sunak being Keith's least preferred opponent, though.

Yeah, he's deeply sus, editor of The Times & Evening Standard, political editor for The Economist, appointed to the board of British Rail by the Thatcher government, absolutely 100% a Thatcher voter.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Exactly! The fact it's a bong doesn't matter, it's the appearances.


Relatedly, my wife and I went to Amsterdam a couple weeks ago and it was incredibly disappointing how every coffeeshop (i.e. cannabis dispensary) adopted this certain aesthetic: dark, grungy, green lighting, street art, general "hehehe weed" vibe.

In portland, the vibe of weed dispensaries was more like an opticians. Clean, white, professional. It was a way better experience and definitely goes a long way to making cannabis seem more acceptable to the pearl clutching middle classes. Good luck finding that kinda place in Amsterdam though. If weed becomes legal here, I really hope the industry follows in Portland's style.


Cannabis has an image problem and even if you think that shouldn't matter, it does.

I know that when I think of a good time - a really good, rip-roaring time with friends - I think of having it in the most colourless, antiseptic healthcare setting possible. No character or ambience please, I'm a pearl clutcher

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde
I trust the richest man in government who has meetings with US healthcare companies.

Bacon Terrorist
May 7, 2010

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022
If Sunak wins and there is head to head televised debate, unless Rishi is bringing his box to stand on it'll be a red tory landslide.

jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

Starmer vs sunak, sunak wins.



sinky posted:

I trust the richest man in government who has meetings with US healthcare companies.

Basically who gets to play Mr Competent, richest man > blandest man

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

Nothing will improve the way things currently are.
Slime TrainerS
The Beeb will provide Sunak with a pair of stilts and make Sir Keith stand in a hole as well.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

20% of gdp allocated to making rishi taller in time for the next election. He will emerge from downing street 30 feet tall and made entirely of gold, he will stride upon the poors like a colossus into trafalgar square, kick nelson off his column, and rule from atop it like a vengeful god. CON+300

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
The absolute worst case scenario isn't happening at least

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1546839531588042752

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

The Perfect Element posted:

I thought your video was great, fuct, and you have a very pleasant voice. They should pay you to do more.

Thanks. I'd never take money from them, as that would then mean I'd then have to reign in my opinions in line with the corporation's goals. I have agreed to be part of a pool of patients who are willing to do TV or radio interviews though.

quote:

I guess I am on the fence about the ripping huge bongs in the park thing. When I was a regular smoker, we only used bongs when we wanted to get absolutely off our heads, so I definitely understand the more negative connotations of using one in public. I guess, to use the same analogy as a previous poster, it's like the difference between drinking a pint in a Wetherspoons, and necking half a bottle of Jack Daniels in Wetherspoons.

I've only ever smoked recreationally though, so I don't really know if the same use case applies when it's medicinal.

I only used the huge bong once, and that was akin to diving off the highest diving board. I needed to do it to shake my own PTSD/anxiety about vaping in public (bullshit crown court trials leave their marks).

I just use the mini globe bong now if I need watercooling in public. The size of the bong doesn't matter, as I just insert the vape I'd normally use into the water cooling, so I'm not vaping any more cannabis than if I wasn't using any cooling. It just makes the vapour much more soothing on my lungs. I get good days and bad days. On bad days, I need water cooling. On good days, I can just use a special cooling stem (Revolve, from Mad Heaters) for the dynavap.

I never vape indoors in public, nor anywhere where smoking isn't openly accepted, so only in beer gardens, or by the bench near the fire escape to the supermarket, or the park etc). If there are kids about, I also don't vape, so I do have my own conscious levels of acceptability. I'm a natural recluse, so tend to avoid people at the best of times.

But I'm going to vape openly, and from a visual perspective, quite loudly, and I'm going to do it for many reasons:

1. As a big gently caress you to the system that criminalised me for so many years. I'm not going to deny that this is a major motivating factor, but it's not the only one.

2. As a big signpost saying "Ask me about legal medicinal cannabis.". I've lost count how many people's lives I've immeasurably changed by switching them onto legal weed. Those people then do the same with people they know and bump into etc., and that's a really good thing.

3. To give courage to those with a legal prescription to also openly vape in public, because why the gently caress shouldn't they? Why should they feel stigma, or be forced to take their medicine in secret, or out of sight? I've managed to persuade quite a few people to take bongs to the park, pub beer gardens, or the canal, and I hope more and more people do it, because why shouldn't they? Taking legally prescribed medicine should never be equated to drinking alcohol in any way, or to recreational drug taking, and people should feel free to legally medicate how, as and when they need to. If people are offended by such actions, then they could simply look at something else.

4. To make it harder and harder for the police to enforce bullshit laws. It's very hard for the police to confirm the legality of someone, as there's no central database or accepted ID card. The only things that show herbal cannabis is legal are the printed labels on the pots, and any printouts of the emailed prescription letters. All of that is easy to fake... not that I'd ever suggest anyone to do such a thing of course.... I've also not had a single person demand proof of my own legality in over 14 months.

There are other reasons, but those are the main ones, and I think they are valid. The clinic, which is part of a licensed global chain, also seems to think they are valid too, as I discussed them at length with the head of media in a Zoom call the other day when I agreed to join the pool . :420:

The Volcano did arrive, and it allowed me to complete an experiment I started the other week
https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1546833292531482624


:420:

Isomermaid
Dec 3, 2019

Swish swish, like a fish
Congratulations, fuctifino, inspirational stuff!

peanut- posted:

The absolute worst case scenario isn't happening at least

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1546839531588042752

She strikes me as the kind of person who wouldn't really want the job of managing the people throwing orphans into the meat grinder, because it takes away from the hands-on joy of actually doing it herself

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
To any of the tory leadership candidates want to legalise weed? Stupid question, but maybe one of them has some genuine libertarian ideals.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

peanut- posted:

The absolute worst case scenario isn't happening at least

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1546839531588042752

I'm learning a lot about kemi badenoch today and I loving hate her

She wants to get rid of hate crimes and the policing of right wing terror groups and thinks disability support staff are a massive waste of money. The best thing in the world is small government, which is based on her experiences as a child growing up with the "socialist" (IMF backed) military dictatorship of Nigeria. Fun fact, her parents left Nigeria due to the instability and chaos that culminated in the return of democracy. Also, she was born in London and her mum was attached to some us universities so it's incredibly vague how much time they actually spent in Nigeria supporting a neoliberal junta.

Deketh
Feb 26, 2006
That's a nice fucking fish

fuctifino posted:

Thanks. I'd never take money from them, as that would then mean I'd then have to reign in my opinions in line with the corporation's goals. I have agreed to be part of a pool of patients who are willing to do TV or radio interviews though.

I only used the huge bong once, and that was akin to diving off the highest diving board. I needed to do it to shake my own PTSD/anxiety about vaping in public (bullshit crown court trials leave their marks).

I just use the mini globe bong now if I need watercooling in public. The size of the bong doesn't matter, as I just insert the vape I'd normally use into the water cooling, so I'm not vaping any more cannabis than if I wasn't using any cooling. It just makes the vapour much more soothing on my lungs. I get good days and bad days. On bad days, I need water cooling. On good days, I can just use a special cooling stem (Revolve, from Mad Heaters) for the dynavap.

I never vape indoors in public, nor anywhere where smoking isn't openly accepted, so only in beer gardens, or by the bench near the fire escape to the supermarket, or the park etc). If there are kids about, I also don't vape, so I do have my own conscious levels of acceptability. I'm a natural recluse, so tend to avoid people at the best of times.

But I'm going to vape openly, and from a visual perspective, quite loudly, and I'm going to do it for many reasons:

1. As a big gently caress you to the system that criminalised me for so many years. I'm not going to deny that this is a major motivating factor, but it's not the only one.

2. As a big signpost saying "Ask me about legal medicinal cannabis.". I've lost count how many people's lives I've immeasurably changed by switching them onto legal weed. Those people then do the same with people they know and bump into etc., and that's a really good thing.

3. To give courage to those with a legal prescription to also openly vape in public, because why the gently caress shouldn't they? Why should they feel stigma, or be forced to take their medicine in secret, or out of sight? I've managed to persuade quite a few people to take bongs to the park, pub beer gardens, or the canal, and I hope more and more people do it, because why shouldn't they? Taking legally prescribed medicine should never be equated to drinking alcohol in any way, or to recreational drug taking, and people should feel free to legally medicate how, as and when they need to. If people are offended by such actions, then they could simply look at something else.

4. To make it harder and harder for the police to enforce bullshit laws. It's very hard for the police to confirm the legality of someone, as there's no central database or accepted ID card. The only things that show herbal cannabis is legal are the printed labels on the pots, and any printouts of the emailed prescription letters. All of that is easy to fake... not that I'd ever suggest anyone to do such a thing of course.... I've also not had a single person demand proof of my own legality in over 14 months.

There are other reasons, but those are the main ones, and I think they are valid. The clinic, which is part of a licensed global chain, also seems to think they are valid too, as I discussed them at length with the head of media in a Zoom call the other day when I agreed to join the pool . :420:

The Volcano did arrive, and it allowed me to complete an experiment I started the other week
https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1546833292531482624


:420:

Could I talk to you about this stuff sometime? Like, off thread so it's not all clogged up. I don't have PMs though so I dunno if you're somewhere else that I could reach you. I have EDS and rely on weed for pain management, but am fed up of the shady ways I have to acquire and consume it, so could do with some advice on what I can do. I think you're doing great things BTW and your fancy new volcano looks like serious business.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1546546049233195014?s=20

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Spangly A posted:

I'm learning a lot about kemi badenoch today and I loving hate her

She wants to get rid of hate crimes and the policing of right wing terror groups and thinks disability support staff are a massive waste of money. The best thing in the world is small government, which is based on her experiences as a child growing up with the "socialist" (IMF backed) military dictatorship of Nigeria. Fun fact, her parents left Nigeria due to the instability and chaos that culminated in the return of democracy. Also, she was born in London and her mum was attached to some us universities so it's incredibly vague how much time they actually spent in Nigeria supporting a neoliberal junta.

It seems being a WoC in the modern Tory party you have to be neo-Nazi adjacent to stand a hope of being taken seriously.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

fuctifino posted:


The Volcano did arrive, and it allowed me to complete an experiment I started the other week
https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1546833292531482624


:420:

lol that's awesome

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

Itzena posted:

The Beeb will provide Sunak with a pair of stilts and make Sir Keith stand in a hole as well.

keir is like 5ft6 and sunak is supposedly 5ft5 so it would be evenly matched

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Deketh posted:

Could I talk to you about this stuff sometime? Like, off thread so it's not all clogged up. I don't have PMs though so I dunno if you're somewhere else that I could reach you. I have EDS and rely on weed for pain management, but am fed up of the shady ways I have to acquire and consume it, so could do with some advice on what I can do. I think you're doing great things BTW and your fancy new volcano looks like serious business.

You (and anyone reading this) can reach me via facebook or twitter .com/stuwyatt or stuwyatt#2448 on discord if you don't have PMs.
But please check out the community's official subreddit as well as check out https://medbud.wiki/ and https://thecannabispages.co.uk/.

I have CFS/ME, and it was easiest for me to go down the chronic pain route with Sapphire Medical. To qualify, you have to have an official diagnosis of a condition where cannabis can help, and you have tried at least two conventional treatments. There are other clinics and many other routes which might apply. You pay for the zoom consultations (mine is £50 a shot), and you get prescribed cannabis that can start at £5/g, DPD'd to your door. You have to have a followup zoom consultation every three months.

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Jul 12, 2022

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord
Kieth is of average height and of above average rotundness so he will dwarf slim midget Sunak, who I can only assume shops in the boys aged 10-12 clothes section.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Spangly A posted:

I'm learning a lot about kemi badenoch today and I loving hate her

She wants to get rid of hate crimes and the policing of right wing terror groups and thinks disability support staff are a massive waste of money. The best thing in the world is small government, which is based on her experiences as a child growing up with the "socialist" (IMF backed) military dictatorship of Nigeria. Fun fact, her parents left Nigeria due to the instability and chaos that culminated in the return of democracy. Also, she was born in London and her mum was attached to some us universities so it's incredibly vague how much time they actually spent in Nigeria supporting a neoliberal junta.

Yeah, that and she's massively into Culture Wars as the Tories only way to power (The previous tweet had her sellotape genders to the unisex bathrooms) - she's a real example of Republican style politics.
I'd not heard of her until today, and I already hate her with a passion. Which probably means she's going to win.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

fuctifino posted:

Just for the record, I don't smoke. I always vape.

That's cool by me :everstrike:


Tesseraction posted:

It seems being a WoC in the modern Tory party you have to be neo-Nazi adjacent to stand a hope of being taken seriously.

It's like being an evangelical convert, you have to double down to make sure you fit in with the rest of the assholes.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Collateral posted:

irc supremacy.

:yeah:

Deketh
Feb 26, 2006
That's a nice fucking fish

fuctifino posted:

You (and anyone reading this) can reach me via facebook or twitter .com/stuwyatt or stuwyatt#2448 on discord if you don't have PMs.
But please check out the community's official subreddit as well as check out https://medbud.wiki/ and https://thecannabispages.co.uk/.

I have CFS/ME, and it was easiest for me to go down the chronic pain route with Sapphire Medical. To qualify, you have to have an official diagnosis of a condition where cannabis can help, and you have tried at least two conventional treatments. There are other clinics and many other routes which might apply. You pay for the zoom consultations (mine is £50 a shot), and you get prescribed cannabis that can start at £5/g, DPD'd to your door. You have to have a followup zoom consultation every three months.

Cheers, sent you a friend request over discord

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

fuctifino posted:

Just over a week ago, I noticed a promotional email from my cannabis clinic, and at the end it mentioned a competition where they were asking patients to upload videos of their experiences with the clinic to help break the stigma of cannabis use. My public vaping stunts, including the recently adopted open vaping in the pub beer garden, have been all about breaking the stigma, so it seemed right up my alley. I quickly pieced together a rambling video and managed to submit it before the deadline. It didn't really fit the competition brief, but brushed upon it.

https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1542465352461914113

The result? I won the loving competition, and at around midday today, I'm going to be the proud receiver of a £400 Volcano Medic 2:



:420: is awesome as a coping mechanism for [wildly gesticulates at everything], and it looks like I'm going to have the perfect tool to consume it

:smug:

i could listen to you talk all day :allears:

you should do relaxation tapes!!!!!!

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
Does anyone have good up to date benefit fraud vs tax avoidance charts/visuals etc?

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Jippa posted:

Does anyone have good up to date benefit fraud vs tax avoidance charts/visuals etc?

Just to note that tax avoidance is not illegal. You'd need to be looking for tax evasion (which is) and/or tax fraud.
I don't have a decent visual sorry!
Also you need pretty recent figures as things have changed quite a bit in the last 2 years so using, say, 2019 figures would probably not be useful.

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Oct 4, 2005

https://twitter.com/Danacea/status/1546819807827447809?s=20&t=Hls23r6gw5hSqByZNuPfbA

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