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Most people don't get charged or convicted of treason. The Rosenbergs were convicted of espionage. That said, I really doubt they'd sentence Margo to death; Aldrich Ames got CIA sources killed and didn't get the death penalty.
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The soviets aren't technically an enemy, and they aren't at war, so it can't be treason. She'd probably just get charged with spying and go to prison.
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tokin opposition posted:reject modernity, embrace Sea Dragon Big Dumb Booster Supremacy Dr_Strangelove fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Jul 12, 2022 |
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Jul 12, 2022 18:49
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This show is fundamentally optimistic in it's outlook (some might say to an absurd degree). Margo's secret trading was portrayed as cooperative, the two programs sharing knowledge through a back-channel. It was in some ways a point of hope and optimism, a symbol of interdependence and foreshadowing future cooperation which is sort of happening now. All hints of nefariousness come from the KGB's involvement. Margo is shown doing this for over a decade with zero awareness from the CIA, which is laughably unrealistic. Margo doesn't fear any domestic repercussions, only what the KGB can do, and the show largely seems to support her view. I don't think the show will send her to prison or anything near that drastic.
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Jul 12, 2022 18:57
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It feels like they're setting up Margo to get von braun'd. She'll be able to beat whatever's coming at her by saying what she got from the Soviets was necessary to beat Helios to Mars (probably true). And since she and NASA did win the race to Mars she's a national hero and they'll try to quietly retire her rather than drag her through a trial. It'll be a nice full circle to end her story. The only question is will Aleida be able to forgive her when she could never forgive Von Braun.
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Jul 12, 2022 21:08
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Yeah I don't think they're going to execute her or anything, that doesn't seem like it fits the story. But it'll be the end for her and Aleida is going to take over NASA by next season.
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Jul 12, 2022 21:12
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College Rockout posted:It feels like they're setting up Margo to get von braun'd. She'll be able to beat whatever's coming at her by saying what she got from the Soviets was necessary to beat Helios to Mars (probably true). And since she and NASA did win the race to Mars she's a national hero and they'll try to quietly retire her rather than drag her through a trial. It'll be a nice full circle to end her story. The only question is will Aleida be able to forgive her when she could never forgive Von Braun. I forgot that von Braun was in this show for a hot second. It seemed pretty ludicrous that they used his Nazi past to drum him out of NASA considering it was fairly well known in the real world.
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Jul 12, 2022 23:58
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Padje posted:This is why I'm expecting Margo to be removed by the feds in the next couple of episodes. Molly will return then. gently caress, now I want Joel Kinnaman in a Star Trek property. Ed would actually make an interesting Starfleet captain template: he the biggest dickhead in the galaxy and a blunder in ox in his personal life, but somehow also the most ethical and safety minded officer you will ever meet. He would have knocked the piss out of Kirk. Or, better, yet he shows up in The Orville as another Captain named Ed and give normal Ed an inferiority complex
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Jul 13, 2022 00:06
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Rochallor posted:I forgot that von Braun was in this show for a hot second. It seemed pretty ludicrous that they used his Nazi past to drum him out of NASA considering it was fairly well known in the real world. Yeah, he was a nazi brought over in operation paperclip, but was it publicly known at the time that he used slave labor for his rockets?
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The show is optimistic but bad things still happen to main characters. I'd be shocked if Margo gets through the season without getting caught.
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A Boy Scout with no charisma and a drinking problem is actually a perfect portrayal of an Annapolis grad. 
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Spacebump posted:The show is optimistic but bad things still happen to main characters. I'd be shocked if Margo gets through the season without getting caught. I won't be surprised if she gets caught or turns herself in as part of her plan to save her dude and his family but I'm hopeful that it turns out positively somehow the fact that the US benefited heavily from the arrangement might make a difference, maybe it leads to an actual formalized agreement for greater international cooperation and sharing of technology and resources?
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I really hope this is resolved with a CIA agent saying, “Margo, you’ve been using a public phone to make international calls and use a record store as a sloppy dead drop. We’re the CIA. We know.”
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Marsupial Ape posted:I really hope this is resolved with a CIA agent saying, “Margo, you’ve been using a public phone to make international calls and use a record store as a sloppy dead drop. We’re the CIA. We know.” Why do you think the engine blew up Margo....
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apatheticman posted:Why do you think the engine blew up Margo.... It’d be a little too Tom Clancy for Margo to turn out to be an unwitting double agent, feeding the Russians bad intel. That’d wrap it up, but that isn’t the tone of this show.
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Marsupial Ape posted:It’d be a little too Tom Clancy for Margo to turn out to be an unwitting double agent, feeding the Russians bad intel. That’d wrap it up, but that isn’t the tone of this show. also we already know why the engine blew up everybody saw them pushing things too hard and guessed how it would end, so having the CIA be like "that was us  " would be really dumb
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Data Graham posted:Whaddya think this is, The Expanse? That show ruined many scifi shows for me.
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TIP posted:also we already know why the engine blew up Yeah, that sounds like the CIA.
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I think the only way Margo really suffers, is if the Soviets have been passing along the rocket tech to the North Koreans and they tie it back to the hotel disaster. Otherwise, prison but pardon from outgoing President.
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She's not going to prison or even needing a pardon, that's just not what this show is. At worst she will be "publicly disgraced" and forced to step down like Von Braun in the show. And she will say "it was worth it I did what had to be done" but she'll have a big falling out with Aleida cause of the rocket engine design. As someone mentioned upthread, the Margo-Aleida relationship will echo the Von Braun-Margo relationship all the way to the end. The real question is who will be Aleida's new protégé to continue the pattern? bawfuls fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jul 13, 2022 |
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bawfuls posted:She's not going to prison or even needing a pardon, that's just not what this show is. Two main characters died on the moon’s surface last season. While this show is positive, this isn’t Ted Lasso. They are clearly setting something up with the Margo plot. Her actions led to the deaths of two US astronauts.
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Spacebump posted:Two main characters died on the moon’s surface last season. While this show is positive, this isn’t Ted Lasso. They are clearly setting something up with the Margo plot. Her actions led to the deaths of two US astronauts. They don't get shamed and sent to prison for espionage, especially when the show has shown a bunch of KGB stuff without ever even mentioning the CIA This show has spent 2 seasons setting up Margo-Aleida as a parallel to von Braun-Margo
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danny is an MKULTRA victim
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I think Margo is headed for a resigning in disgrace situation to parallel Von Braun. No writer in the world could resist that setup.
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bawfuls posted:Yes, characters die doing heroic things in space I’ll give you they have been setting up that parallel. As it stands, the two astronauts that died in the recuse wouldn’t have without Margo leaking secrets to the Russians. She has blood on her hands.
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bawfuls posted:Yes, characters die doing heroic things in space I don't even think it's a great parallel to be honest. von Braun used Nazi death camps for slave labor. Margo traded information to the USSR space program in exchange for information useful to the NASA space program. withak posted:I think Margo is headed for a resigning in disgrace situation to parallel Von Braun. No writer in the world could resist that setup. I think this is the reasonable outcome as well.
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Also I'm going to be a pedant and point out that it wouldn't be the CIA knocking on Margo's door, it'd be the FBI. Hey, maybe James Urbaniak gets to come back for another episode or two!
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It'll be alternate universe NSA and they'll be very mad that she's been pirating
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Also I'm going to be a pedant and point out that it wouldn't be the CIA knocking on Margo's door, it'd be the FBI. Yeah the cia wouldn’t knock.
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DamnGlitch posted:Yeah the cia wouldn’t knock. because they wouldnt be able to find the door the CIA is beyond incompetent
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Ellen will have Margo drawn and quartered in Time Square
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blue squares posted:because they wouldnt be able to find the door Cold War cia was really good at loving people up domestically.
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Spacebump posted:I’ll give you they have been setting up that parallel. As it stands, the two astronauts that died in the recuse wouldn’t have without Margo leaking secrets to the Russians. She has blood on her hands. I'm not following (which doesn't mean you're wrong!), why does Margo have blood on her hands?
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If she hadn't given the Soviets the engine design, they wouldn't have been able to launch so the collision that killed the two NASA astronauts wouldn't have happened. Or if the Soviets did get their engines working independently and similar events happened, she wouldn't have any connection to it. I don't think blaming her for it is fair, but it would absolutely happen.
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Oh no doubt someone who wants to end Margo's career can tell a story that'll make it happen. As a viewer, though, I don't blame Margo for those dead astronauts any more than I blame anyone else at NASA.
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The irony is that Margo started funneling info to the Soviets because she couldn’t stand seeing anymore cosmonauts die from engineering failures that NASA had figured out years before. That’s the best justification Margo could give to Aleida about giving away her engine design, “You made the best, safest engine possible it and saved the lives of a lot of cosmonauts”.
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Virtue aside, feeding engineering and nuclear propulsion secrets to the Soviets for a decade is pret-ty serious. There's no way someone convicted of a similar crime in real life wouldn't face significant time in prison.
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Rental Sting posted:Virtue aside, feeding engineering and nuclear propulsion secrets to the Soviets for a decade is pret-ty bad. There's no way someone convicted of a similar crime in real life wouldn't face significant time in prison. I’m not saying she is innocent. It’s just ironic.
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Oh, it certainly is. I am not making a value judgment, either, just saying she would be hosed big time IRL
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