[Asia/Oceania] Yellen says she hopes China wont mount retaliation against any steps Washington takes

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stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

I think the deal is Xi won't talk to Biden if the lists are not taken care off. Wang Yi and Blinken actually talked 5 hours so maybe Blinken actually want to give it a try?

OTHO, if Biden has no chance in November, he will just give up.

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# ? May 27, 2024 18:37

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

gradenko_2000 posted:

The Four To-Do Lists

and I thought my freaking wife was bad

# ? Jul 13, 2022 04:43

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Vladimir Poutine posted:

This year�s Pacific Island Forum was originally members only, preventing countries with partner status (including America and China) from participating. Her presence there might not be that popular, since it seems like you�d only show up if you couldn�t read the room

I don't think Harris is able to read the room

# ? Jul 13, 2022 05:19

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1546893504659554306

# ? Jul 13, 2022 06:19

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

breaking news!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-AnrsFtIh4

# ? Jul 13, 2022 06:31

Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

breaking news!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-AnrsFtIh4

that is a good video, i am happy for them. i am glad pyongyang broadcast service can use youtube, the internet is rad sometimes

# ? Jul 13, 2022 06:38

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

breaking news!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-AnrsFtIh4

the happy content and beautiful art you post is always greatly appreciated, BM. your posts are glimmers of light shining through the tinted glass walls of my jar.

# ? Jul 13, 2022 07:04

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Some Guy TT posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1546893504659554306

this dude is decent at putting together information but truly awful at delivering it via both writing and speech

# ? Jul 13, 2022 07:08

HiroProtagonist: May 7, 2007

gradenko_2000 posted:

The Four To-Do Mods

# ? Jul 13, 2022 07:08

HiroProtagonist: May 7, 2007

indigi posted:

and I thought my freaking wife was bad

got news for you

she's worse, sorry

# ? Jul 13, 2022 07:18

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

indigi posted:

this dude is decent at putting together information but truly awful at delivering it via both writing and speech

i regret watching the whole video mainly because it was so drat repetitive no good reason for it to be forty minutes instead of ten

# ? Jul 13, 2022 07:21

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

if he hired a good editor and deferred to them grayzone et al stuff would be a lot easier to link to people

# ? Jul 13, 2022 07:26

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

eSports Chaebol posted:

so bizarre how the 1984 big brother country is so concerned with optics. we genuinely wouldn�t have to deal with poo poo like hired goons instead of cops attacking protestors, but also the government would straight up tell the depositors to get hosed and the free independent media would back up the government (with the correct amount of obligatory handwringing of course)

This is what neoliberals have forgotten, even ham-fisted authoritarian governments actually have to deliver some things for their people and fulfil the social contract from time to time, or people will look for literally any alternative.

# ? Jul 13, 2022 07:27

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

we all know China is doing way more for its citizens than most places on Earth but it still isn�t chill for them to block withdrawals for that long and it�s not vibes to beat up people who are mad about it.

# ? Jul 13, 2022 07:31

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

indigi posted:

if he hired a good editor and deferred to them grayzone et al stuff would be a lot easier to link to people

in the old moderate rebels podcast ben would ramble on for hours unless max stepped in to force him to stay on topic so yeah this makes sense

# ? Jul 13, 2022 07:41

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Having read the article in full, it's a pretty straightforward, open-and-shut case.

The only thing that really sticks out in Ben's writing is that he likes to do that thing where you append the ideological position of the institution being described:

Neoconservative DC-based think tank the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), which is funded by Western governments, affectionately described the ADB as a �strategic asset for the United States,�
the US-dominated International Monetary Fund (IMF)
The UK government�s BBC
the de facto mouthpiece of the DC political establishment, The Atlantic magazine,
Brautigam said in the article, which was co-authored by Meg Rithmire, a professor at the stridently anti-socialist Harvard Business School.

none of this is really wrong or inaccurate per se, and it's a sort of rhetorical parry in that "see, even these right-wing publications are saying this!" sense, but it does ring emphatic enough to sound out-of-place to anyone used to imbibing CNN or Reuters or whatever

# ? Jul 13, 2022 08:44

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

matti posted:

sulla on huumeongelma

go back to yospos

# ? Jul 13, 2022 09:02

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

matti posted:

sulla on huumeongelma

sulla ei oo koskaan kivaa

# ? Jul 13, 2022 09:51

Goon Boots: Feb 2, 2020

Some Guy TT posted:

can anyone recommend a chinese dictionary app for android that lets you draw characters instead of using pinyin

one i've seen recommended is this

https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary

not an app specifically, but a website

# ? Jul 13, 2022 11:19

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Southpaugh posted:

The Americans are straight up too racist to bother. Empires fall from within and what you're seeing is a result of americas triumphalist neo-liberal hubris.

I think they also genuinely have the attitude that anything actually important is obviously being discussed in English.

# ? Jul 13, 2022 11:40

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

OhFunny posted:

They're just not attending the summit. Kiribati is the only nation to announce they're withdrawing from organization.

quote:

Marshall Islands president David Kabua has been prevented from attending this week's first in-person meeting of Pacific Islands Forum leaders because his own government derailed an effort earlier in 2022 to undo legislatively-binding action to terminate the country's membership in the regional organisation.

???

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/470744/marshall-islands-prevents-itself-from-participating-in-forum

# ? Jul 13, 2022 12:00

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

fart simpson posted:

in the old moderate rebels podcast ben would ramble on for hours unless max stepped in to force him to stay on topic so yeah this makes sense

It was fun waking up, seeing a 3 hour, and wondering what crazy Ben rambled on about this time.

# ? Jul 13, 2022 12:45

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

sri lanka is going to have a full blown revolution soon

# ? Jul 13, 2022 14:45

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

lollontee posted:

sri lanka is going to have a full blown revolution soon

it's pretty incredible, watching from afar. Rooting for the best for the sri Lankan people and the complete severing from imf and western influence

# ? Jul 13, 2022 14:52

Not So Fast: Dec 27, 2007

lollontee posted:

sri lanka is going to have a full blown revolution soon

Is there any organised Marxist groups on the ground or is it going to fail?

# ? Jul 13, 2022 16:05

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Not So Fast posted:

Is there any organised Marxist groups on the ground or is it going to fail?

Well at least Sri Lanka is pretty close to Kerala geographically. I don't remember reading any Marxist movement going by their bloody civil war history.

# ? Jul 13, 2022 16:25

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

bring back the tigers

# ? Jul 13, 2022 16:26

ughhhh: Oct 17, 2012

Sri Lanka is literally called democratic socialist republic of Sri Lanka. Most if not all the political parties are left aligned.

# ? Jul 13, 2022 16:34

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

stephenthinkpad posted:

Well at least Sri Lanka is pretty close to Kerala geographically. I don't remember reading any Marxist movement going by their bloody civil war history.

lmao. Riskbrain. The left in India lived and died with West Bengal. Prakash Karat did the SPD suicide run in 2008 and look where it got us.

# ? Jul 13, 2022 16:41

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

India is a socialist secular democratic republic. :smug:

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Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Indian rightoids seething right now that modi does photo ops with gelf monarchs and talks about his teacher Abbas.

# ? Jul 13, 2022 16:50

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Tankbuster posted:

Indian rightoids seething right now that modi does photo ops with gelf monarchs and talks about his teacher Abbas.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

# ? Jul 13, 2022 18:24

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

more concise explanation of why the chinese debt trap over sri lanka talking point is bullshit

https://twitter.com/libijian2/status/1546357521258102785

# ? Jul 13, 2022 18:48

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Some Guy TT posted:

more concise explanation of why the chinese debt trap over sri lanka talking point is bullshit

https://twitter.com/libijian2/status/1546357521258102785

You might as well replace those 'non-government' loans with the american and european flags and it's the same thing.

# ? Jul 13, 2022 18:57

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Wonder what Other includes.

# ? Jul 13, 2022 19:17

ughhhh: Oct 17, 2012

Tankbuster posted:

Wonder what Other includes.

would be funny if its micro loans

# ? Jul 13, 2022 19:55

Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009

lollontee posted:

sulla ei oo koskaan kivaa

En puhu suomea

# ? Jul 13, 2022 23:42

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/covid-emigration-07132022083706.html posted:

Dwindling freedoms, rolling lockdowns spark growing desire to 'run' from China

Search queries on emigration skyrocketed when CCP leader Xi Jinping backed the 'zero-COVID' policy.

Dwindling freedoms, rolling lockdowns spark growing desire to 'run' from China
Linghu Changbing has been on the run from China for three years, using his Twitter account to post an account of a motorcycle trip in Mexico and further travels across the United States, to the envy of many in China.

While Linghu, 22, gets roundly criticized by Little Pinks, online supporters of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), for his life choices, he is living a freedom that many back home caught in endless rounds of COVID-19 restrictions can only dream about.

His road-movie lifestyle puts Linghu at the cutting edge of a growing phenomenon among younger Chinese people with the wherewithal to leave the country, summarized by a Chinese character pronounced "run" that has come to symbolize cutting free from an increasingly onerous life under CCP rule in an online shorthand referencing the English word "run".

Shanghai white-collar worker Li Bing has been dreaming about emigrating to Japan with his girlfriend and two beloved cats for three years now.

Li's game-plan after graduating from university had been to get rich as fast as possible, but the COVID-19 pandemic and the Chinese government's draconian zero-COVID policies has thrown several spanners in the works.

Li, as a devoted servant to his two cats, was terrified at online video footage of "Dabai" COVID-19 enforcers in white PPE beating people's pets to death after they were sent to quarantine camps.

"One resident showed us through his camera lens those Dabai in PPE beating a pet to death," Li said. "So my No. 1 nightmare is that my two cats could be disposed of [in that way]."

An engineer by training, Li now works as a highly paid copywriter in the tech industry in Shanghai, which he once viewed as a new land of opportunity.

But work has been hard-hit by the recent lockdowns, and the money isn't coming in as frequently as it once did.

"Since the pandemic ... the interval between payments is getting longer and longer," Li said. "The lockdown made me even more aware that I can't afford to wait any longer, because I don't know what I'm waiting for."

Keyword searches for emigration soar

Li, who recently secured a short-term business visa for Japan and wants to apply to study there too, is definitely not alone.

Data from the social media app WeChat index showed a huge spike in searches using the keywords "emigration" or "overseas emigration" between March and May, suggesting that "run," or running, is on many people's minds.

At its peaks, search queries for the keyword "emigration" hit 70 million several times during the Shanghai lockdown and 130 million immediately afterwards.

The same keyword also showed peaks on Toutiao Index, Google Trends and 360 Trends between April and the end of June 2022, leading U.S.-based former internet censor Liu Lipeng to speculate that the most recent peak was triggered by a June 27 report in state media quoting Beijing municipal party chief Cai Qi as saying that current COVID-19 restrictions would be "normalized" over the next five years.

WeChat's owner Tencent said searches for "emigration" rose by 440 percent on April 3, 2022, the day CCP leader Xi Jinping told the nation to "strictly adhere to the zero-COVID policy."

A Japan-based immigration consultant who gave only the pseudonym "Mr. Y," said he had witnessed a massive surge in queries to his business starting in April.

"I'm also curious about what's happened over the past month, and I think it's amazing," he said. "How can there be such a positive impact in little more than a month?"

Mr. Y said he, like many others in the sector, has started taking to Twitter Spaces to provide listeners with free advice on immigrating to Japan.

"I see seven or eight spaces about how to run, all of them with nearly 1,000 people in them," he said.

A Shanghai-based businessman surnamed Meng, who has a U.S. green card, found himself pressed into service as an informal immigration consultant during the Shanghai lockdown.

"Only one person asked me about this ... before lockdown," said Meng, not his real name. "All the others came to ask me when we were locked down at home."

Steady erosion of freedom

Australia-based writer Murong Xuecun said he had left after correctly predicting the steady erosion of individual freedom in China.

"In the past few years ... government has become more and more powerful, and the rights of ordinary people have dwindled," he told RFA. "What kind of China will we see next?"

"A more conservative, isolated and poorer China, and I think also a [more unpredictable and violent] China," he said. "That's what a lot of people worry about."

Many are aware that since Xi Jinping came to power, the government has made rapid advances in the direction of high-tech totalitarianism.

A combination of a nationwide, integrated facial recognition network, a health code app that can prevent movement in public spaces under the guise of COVID-19 prevention, and the use of automated fare collection systems to track people on public transportation have combined to place severe limits on the personal privacy and freedoms of the average person in China.

Meanwhile, the population is still struggling with the massive economic impact of rolling lockdowns, compulsory waves of mass COVID-19 testing and inflation that has characterized the pandemic in China.

A wave of regulatory policies targeting the private sector, most notably private education and China's tech giants, has has also taken its toll on the perception of the level prosperity and freedom that is realistically achievable for regular Chinese citizens, even those with well-paid jobs.

Meng's Shanghai business has downsized from 140 employees to around 50 in recent years.

"I deal with local officials and am affected by this ... there are too many examples of unreasonable stuff that makes life difficult," he said, adding that he is ready to dispose of some 10 million yuan in assets and leave the country for good.

"It wouldn't really be the first choice for someone like me who was born and raised in China, and mostly educated here to go to a new environment," Meng said. "But now that I'm totally disappointed with China, I think I need a new first choice."

Clipping passports

Not everyone is able to leave, however. Border guards have warned people not to embark on "unnecessary" overseas trips, and have begun clipping people's passports when they arrive back in the country, to prevent them from leaving again.

Meng says most of those seeking immigration advice from him are in the same social class as himself, and many are seeking an insurance policy rather than planning their permanent departure.

Linghu left three years ago despite being in a far less privileged position than Meng.

After leaving high school with no diploma and working a slew of short-term and gig economy jobs in factories or the service sector, he says doesn't believe the myth that hard work alone is enough to improve a person's life.

"If working hard got you anywhere, then a lot more people would do it," he said. "But if you look at the richest families, there's not a single one that doesn't contain [a CCP] official, or is related to one."

Linghu entered the U.S. illegally from Mexico, after traveling through Central Asia, Europe and South America.

He now hopes to stay, and plans to work as a decorator in California.

"Freedom is a human right, and my ideal country is one with human rights," he said.

smart move�

# ? Jul 13, 2022 23:51

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

After leaving high school with no diploma and working a slew of short-term and gig economy jobs in factories or the service sector, he says doesn't believe the myth that hard work alone is enough to improve a person's life.

"If working hard got you anywhere, then a lot more people would do it," he said. "But if you look at the richest families, there's not a single one that doesn't contain [a CCP] official, or is related to one."

Linghu entered the U.S

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4mY4FHyT80

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