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Biden, my dude, this is your leverage. Tell him you will block every loving project in WV unless you get a vote on this poo poo. Machin cannot be trusted for the love of poo poo, tell the projects will be signed off the second the vote is in and not a second before.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Biden, my dude, this is your leverage. Tell him you will block every loving project in WV unless you get a vote on this poo poo. Machin cannot be trusted for the love of poo poo, tell the projects will be signed off the second the vote is in and not a second before. That's not how administrative rulemaking works. Hell, a big part of the problem in this moment is that the administration can't guarantee the projects would go forward, because they will have to go through notice and comment or some similar administrative process. Many of the decisions involved in individual projects occur at a level below normal political influence.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Biden, my dude, this is your leverage. Tell him you will block every loving project in WV unless you get a vote on this poo poo. Machin cannot be trusted for the love of poo poo, tell the projects will be signed off the second the vote is in and not a second before. Discendo Vox posted:That's not how administrative rulemaking works. Hell, a big part of the problem in this moment is that the administration can't guarantee the projects would go forward, because they will have to go through notice and comment or some similar administrative process. Many of the decisions involved in individual projects occur at a level below normal political influence. cat botherer fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jul 13, 2022 |
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Mooseontheloose posted:Biden, my dude, this is your leverage. Tell him you will block every loving project in WV unless you get a vote on this poo poo. Machin cannot be trusted for the love of poo poo, tell the projects will be signed off the second the vote is in and not a second before. He'd be shredded by the courts and that's without the potential bribery implications
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Discendo Vox posted:That's not how administrative rulemaking works. Hell, a big part of the problem in this moment is that the administration can't guarantee the projects would go forward, because they will have to go through notice and comment or some similar administrative process. Many of the decisions involved in individual projects occur at a level below normal political influence. DV I know this but there are ways that the Biden Admin can basically prioritize everything but Machin's poo poo using rulemaking and granting. Hell, Manchin is concerned about it clearly. So, gently caress that and gently caress him. Vote my way or I keep your poo poo in limbo.
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Mooseontheloose posted:DV I know this but there are ways that the Biden Admin can basically prioritize everything but Machin's poo poo using rulemaking and granting. Hell, Manchin is concerned about it clearly. So, gently caress that and gently caress him. Vote my way or I keep your poo poo in limbo. This. Time for hardball. gently caress Manchin, his word is worth poo poo. Worst case scenario you don't get what you weren't going to get anyway if you gave it to him.
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Mooseontheloose posted:DV I know this but there are ways that the Biden Admin can basically prioritize everything but Machin's poo poo using rulemaking and granting. Hell, Manchin is concerned about it clearly. So, gently caress that and gently caress him. Vote my way or I keep your poo poo in limbo. That is basically what they are doing right now (he's not threatening to block every project in WV, just the one Manchin really wants). The issue is that Manchin wants some kind of guarantee that he gets what he wants before he gives up his leverage. The admin wants Manchin's vote before they move forward with this. Each one wants the other to move first because they are wary that the other won't deliver (either intentionally or unintentionally). That is why Manchin is mad that they haven't approved the projects yet.
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Jul 13, 2022 15:45
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Oracle posted:This. Time for hardball. gently caress Manchin, his word is worth poo poo. Worst case scenario you don't get what you weren't going to get anyway if you gave it to him. Also, he keeps ripping this thing up. So again, he threw his weight around. No more.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:That is basically what they are doing right now. Sucks to be him I guess, let the vote go through. stop shrinking the bill.
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Fart Amplifier posted:He'd be shredded by the courts and that's without the potential bribery implications Donald Trump was president for four years, during which time he regularly exchanged favors for bribes. He has faced no consequences for them. The rule you are appealing to is not a rule the modern American state considers binding. Its use here is as post-facto excuse, not as justification for inaction.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Sucks to be him I guess, let the vote go through. stop shrinking the bill. The issue is that Manchin can credibly walk away from the deal. He doesn't really need the climate change stuff and the deficit reduction, Rx pricing reform, tax loopholes, and Obamacare subsidies are things he cares about, but not enough to override his WV pipeline. Manchin is saying "I would be willing to vote for these climate change things I don't like, but you need to give me the pipeline. I am not voting for the bill until I know I have my pipeline and will sink it otherwise." The admin is saying, "I will give you your pipeline, but I need you to vote for the bill first. I can't guarantee that it won't get held up by red tape or lawsuits after you vote, but I will approve it. Only after you vote, though." And both sides are saying the other needs to be the one to go first because: - The White House doesn't trust Manchin, because he unexpectedly backed out at the last second when they made concessions before. They don't want a long negotiation on this or to look like they failed again. and - Manchin thinks that the White House will be pressured into slow walking or possibly even killing his pipeline after they have his vote and there is nothing he can do about. Even if the White House is being totally genuine, they still can't actually guarantee 100% that it goes through after they approve it. So, why take a dive on something you don't want for a promise of something later? Especially, if the party you are negotiating with is saying that they can't 100% guarantee that he gets what he wants. He wants more assurances and some kind of guarantee beyond just "we'll approve and see what happens."
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Fart Amplifier posted:He'd be shredded by the courts and that's without the potential bribery implications What danger does he face from potential bribery implications? Like, what would that look like and what would the actual consequences be? A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/NancyVu99/status/1547007379820216322?t=TEmlD2xsbZTAbtwWWOvZrQ&s=19 Why does the Democratic Party care more about working with Republicans to give money to the military than they do about abortion rights? I am ready to vote so hard right now, if anyone has any recommendations for a political party that won't abandon abortion rights for defense spending, I'm all ears. Main Paineframe posted:Without a doubt, the current GOP would absolutely vote against a defense bill and put all the blame on the Democrats Do you think this is a wise move that will stop Republicans from calling Democrats weak on defense? Considering that currently Republicans are putting all the blame on Democrats for uh, stealing and eating children, abandoning good things in order to appease the people that think you're literally agents of literal Satan and will attack you relentlessly regardless of what you do doesn't seem very smart. Or moral.
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Fart Amplifier posted:He'd be shredded by the courts and that's without the potential bribery implications I missed the part where a sack of money with a cartoonish dollar sign printed on it was somehow changing hands in this negotiation.
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Sharkie posted:What danger does he face from potential bribery implications? Like, what would that look like and what would the actual consequences be? Democrats get fat stacks of Also yes basing any action on whether Republicans will be mean to you is a fools' errand, Joe Biden is a straight-up conservative who has spent his entire career trying to give Republicans everything they want with a pathetic desperation and they still call him a triple communist.
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Fart Amplifier posted:He'd be shredded by the courts and that's without the potential bribery implications You know he doesn't have to say it on TV, right? He could say it to Manchin privately in a room.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yeah, it appears the entire world is still getting hit with it. ...well, that's not good. Though Germany trying to figure out heating for next winter to the point of "well, what if we used wood?" is also mind boggling. Just. What. ( Also thanks to all the people who corrected me on what exactly happened with Jackson and the Cherokee. )
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i am curious where the brainworm of 'if you offer someone something in exchange for their support, that is illegal' came from it crops up every once in a while in democratic apologia and not only is it clearly something Democratic politicians don't believe- witness the star of Getting Sucked Off In Rehab and the fat government paycheck he was granted for Daddy's cooperation with Bush re: the Iraq war- there is an ideological element in there too, somewhere. the idea of government action not derived from some abstract, technocratic ideal, but instead from the idea of 'my people want this, so I'm going to make it happen for them' gets viewed as somehow wrong, and something that a functioning government prevents from occurring. where did the idea that representing your voters was a corruption of democracy, and not an expression of it, come from? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:i am curious where the brainworm of 'if you offer someone something in exchange for their support, that is illegal' came from Neoliberalism. The fundamental idea behind the ideology of neoliberalism is that the market necessarily produces the best possible outcomes, and thus the governments only role should be to facilitate the needs of the market (or to put it another and probably more accurate way, to facilitate the needs of the class of people who own the market). If the market makes the best possible decisions then the government has no business picking winners and losers as that would only make things worse. While this ideology was explicitly espoused by Reagan with his anti-government pro-market rhetoric, it was implicitly accepted by Bill Clinton and that combined with the fall of the USSR created a world where the ideology of neoliberalism went unchallenged and thus was accepted as natural and inevitable. Mark Fisher termed this phenomena Capitalist Realism, which he defines as "the widespread sense that not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system, but also that it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it."
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Manchin is correct to not trust Biden's word because the last time Biden promised something in exchange for a vote it was a promise to deliver Manchin and yet here we are
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Twincityhacker posted:...well, that's not good. Hungary just declared a state of emergency based on energy security. They banned exports of energy goods too. I don't know what leverage the USA has over the EU, but getting the EU to self destruct is a sight to behold. And a BBG terminal headline that passed over the wire is claiming the usa and europe is working on another sanctions package while the EU is trying to figure out if the gas is gone forever.
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The owner of the Washington Commanders has been avoiding a subpoena from congress by staying on his yacht in international waters or ports for the last 2 months. He also plans to remain on his yacht and not return to the U.S. indefinitely. He hopes to hold out for another 7 months and for Republicans to take the House and remove Carolyn Mahoney as Chair of the Oversight Committee. Republicans have already pledged to drop the investigation if they gain control of the committee. Congress has tried to cut a deal to get him to testify via Zoom, but it has to be under oath and he would prefer not to do that. It has gotten so bad that they are monitoring his yacht and hoping to send U.S. Marshalls to serve him if he ever crosses into U.S. waters. This is apparently one of the few times in history that an American has attempted to avoid a congressional subpoena to testify by fleeing the country; and would be one of the longest time in history someone has spent overseas fleeing one. Snyder is supposed to be back for the Commanders' first game of the season, but he appears unlikely to return to the U.S. https://twitter.com/AnthonyAdragna/status/1547278300837564417 quote:Washington Commanders Owner Dan Snyder Avoids Deposition by Parking His Boat Overseas
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I find the whole thing bizarre because he can just plead the 5th to anything he doesn’t want to answer. Is he just that convinced he will perjure himself? The NFL needs to get rid of him ASAP and I do wonder if that’s in motion behind the scenes
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Twincityhacker posted:...well, that's not good. Germany has been pushing biomass and biogas for quite a while now, so it's not a new idea for them. They already rely pretty heavily on wood heating in homes, and have converted a number of old coal plants so that about 20% of their renewable power comes from wood. There's been a good deal of debate about how eco-friendly biomass and biogas really are, though certainly they're a better "transitional" option than Russian gas, oil, and coal. One issue however is that wood takes a couple years to dry, and stocks in Germany are already depleted. Pellets are better options in a variety of ways, but the cost for wood scrap is tied with the home construction market and the overall economy.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I find the whole thing bizarre because he can just plead the 5th to anything he doesn’t want to answer. Is he just that convinced he will perjure himself? Snyder doesn't want to talk about anything at all related to the investigation. He can't plead the fifth for information that can't possibly incriminate him. The NFL seems to be either fine with it or just not rocking the boat because they want Snyder to just go away and they don't want a situation where Snyder or the NFL are subpoenaed for email records and they have another Jon Gruden situation.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I find the whole thing bizarre because he can just plead the 5th to anything he doesn’t want to answer. Is he just that convinced he will perjure himself? You think the NFL is going to get rid of an owner for being a gigantic raging rear end in a top hat?
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If he's in international waters, what stops us from sending the loving navy after him? Or is it just the optics of "lol, Biden wasted $X million dollars on a navy mission to harass an NFL owner"? Yeah, its probably that.
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Rigel posted:If he's in international waters, what stops us from sending the loving navy after him? Or is it just the optics of "lol, Biden wasted $X million dollars on a navy mission to harass an NFL owner"? It's a congressional subpoena and he's exploiting the fact that you can't be charged with contempt of congress unless you have been properly served. Usually, your lawyer will take an electronic service document, but his lawyers are not accepting them and he is staying in international waters, so they can't actually charge him with criminal contempt because he has never been served. Biden also isn't responsible for enforcing congressional subpoenas. If Snyder had real criminal charges that were serious enough to extradite, then he could have him arrested and extradited the second he pulls into port anywhere that will extradite. Snyder isn't actually charged with anything right now, he's dodging a subpoena just for congressional questioning under oath.
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Hell yeah, that's the good stuff https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1547294163800055810?t=F8NfK3C7o9fRgR_BOHaHog&s=19 Some credible candidates need to start announcing soon
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Well a fed governor broke the seal. https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1547291495438360579?t=RQg_rUXv48DmclWT05iQkg&s=19 That is that then
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The owner of the Washington Commanders has been avoiding a subpoena from congress by staying on his yacht in international waters or ports for the last 2 months. He also plans to remain on his yacht and not return to the U.S. indefinitely. He hopes to hold out for another 7 months and for Republicans to take the House and remove Carolyn Mahoney as Chair of the Oversight Committee. Republicans have already pledged to drop the investigation if they gain control of the committee. The DEN (Digital Entertainment Network) execs did the same thing on a boat, off the coast of Spain.
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Mr Hootington posted:Well a fed governor broke the seal. I can't find any sources that back up this tweet. The latest statement from the FED I can find is from June 22 saying that a recession is possible, but not likely. And that they are committed to fighting inflation. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/22/1106735608/powell-says-recession-a-possibility-but-not-likely Trying to figure out who this person is leads me to think it's not credible. https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/sdrmoe/who_is_this_walter_bloomberg_guy_anyway/
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Mr Hootington posted:Well a fed governor broke the seal. Powell has been saying a recession is possible for a while. Powell last month: quote:Jerome H. Powell, the chair of the Federal Reserve, said that the central bank might be able to lower rapid inflation without tipping America into a painful downturn, though he cautioned that pulling it off would be “very challenging” to achieve and that a recession is “certainly a possibility.” Barkin today: quote:I expect inflation to come down but not immediately, not suddenly and not predictably. The pace of fed policy change may be making markets skittish. There is a path to cool inflation, but a recession is possible.
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Velocity Raptor posted:I can't find any sources that back up this tweet. The latest statement from the FED I can find is from June 22 saying that a recession is possible, but not likely. And that they are committed to fighting inflation. The Walter Bloomberg account is an account that tweets out Bloomberg terminal news as it crosses over that. There are a number of accounts that do the same thing. This account happens to be the most popular. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Powell has been saying a recession is possible for a while. I know. I've talked about it in the past in here. The key difference is one of the fedand coming out and making a statement that recession is possible and using the word "recession". What the fed governors say and how they say it matters. This is a big deal. Same with Bostic saying a 100bps is on the table now. Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jul 13, 2022 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's a congressional subpoena and he's exploiting the fact that you can't be charged with contempt of congress unless you have been properly served. Usually, your lawyer will take an electronic service document, but his lawyers are not accepting them and he is staying in international waters, so they can't actually charge him with criminal contempt because he has never been served. Thank you, that is a pretty thorough answer
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Mr Hootington posted:The Walter Bloomberg account is an account that tweets out Bloomberg terminal news as it crosses over that. There are a number of accounts that do the same thing. This account happens to be the most popular. Yes this is exactly right, Barkin saying this is new. If you read the minutes of the last FOMC meeting it is clear that recession was not something they were willing to talk about explicitly.
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plogo posted:Yes this is exactly right, Barkin saying this is new. If you read the minutes of the last FOMC meeting it is clear that recession was not something they were willing to talk about explicitly. Yep. The way the Fed officials talk actually has it's own term. It is called "Fedspeak" and you have to learn how to decipher it when you read and listen to these people.
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Jaxyon posted:You think the NFL is going to get rid of an owner for being a gigantic raging rear end in a top hat?
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Jaxyon posted:You think the NFL is going to get rid of an owner for being a gigantic raging rear end in a top hat? If they can prove that he was stealing money from the other owners, then yes. Snyder would have a lot of dirty laundry to share on the other owners and the league which I think is why they haven't done anything about him yet. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...y-will-be-done/
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Jaxyon posted:You think the NFL is going to get rid of an owner for being a gigantic raging rear end in a top hat? No but they currently have it out for him because he's loving with their money. A raging rear end in a top hat who's trying to take money from the rest of the raging assholes? Yeah, they will do something.
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