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nine-gear crow posted:It's that scene at the end of The Boys this year where Homelander just murders a man in a fit of rage in front of a crowd of people. Initial horror and confusion quickly giving way to nervous laughter and then supportive cheers, because their guy just murdered congress. gently caress YEAH! i mean yeah basicaly. again, trump could kill a white baby girl Infront of his audience graphically and they would probably cheer.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean yeah basicaly. again, trump could kill a white baby girl Infront of his audience graphically and they would probably cheer. people keep repeating poo poo like this and it's dumb and a relic of like 2014 brain because at the moment trump can't even call up a former lawyer without getting the doj notified of potential witness tampering
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Dr. Faustus posted:Read a thing for fucks sake. National guard not police. Capitol police don’t operate at the presidents leisure nor do the dc police. If the cops had treated a literal coup with the same seriousness as say people protesting near a church or the Supreme Court the January 6ers would have been torn to pieces like a wet Kleenex.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:people keep repeating poo poo like this and it's dumb and a relic of like 2014 brain because at the moment trump can't even call up a former lawyer without getting the doj notified of potential witness tampering What does that have to do with his base? They're still posting pictures of him glowing like Jesus.
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deathbysnusnu posted:National guard not police. Capitol police don’t operate at the presidents leisure nor do the dc police. If the cops had treated a literal coup with the same seriousness as say people protesting near a church or the Supreme Court the January 6ers would have been torn to pieces like a wet Kleenex. There was a bunch of stuff that went down afterwards vis a vis what the capitol police were ordered to prepare for that day and it led to the immediate resignation of both the senate and the house sergeant at arms (who make up 2/3 of the board administering the capitol police). There was apparently pressure to adopt a very minimal policing presence on 1/6 and it certainly appears that they received essentially identical orders as the national guard wrt using crowd control weapons. One of whom was found dead at home the day before Hutchinson testified to congress. DC metro police were not significantly involved in the initial capitol security plan on 1/6. They also were not acting with any artificial restraint on 1/5, 1/6, or after as far as I have seen or heard. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jul 13, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:There was a bunch of stuff that went down afterwards vis a vis what the capitol police were ordered to prepare for that day and it led to the immediate resignation of both the senate and the house sergeant at arms (who make up 2/3 of the board administering the capitol police). There was apparently pressure to adopt a very minimal policing presence on 1/6 and it certainly appears that they received essentially identical orders as the national guard wrt using crowd control weapons. Doesn’t take a genius to realize the violent mob moving in on congress changes things. They had the better part of the day to do something other than stand with their dicks in their hands. If the crowd were leftists or anything other than lily white the first person with authority would gotten every single person with as much firepower and force as humanly possible to Capitol Hill in under 15 minutes.
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deathbysnusnu posted:Doesn’t take a genius to realize the violent mob moving in on congress changes things. They had the better part of the day to do something other than stand with their dicks in their hands. If the crowd were leftists or anything other than lily white the first person with authority would gotten every single person with as much firepower and force as humanly possible to Capitol Hill in under 15 minutes. my thesis in bringing that up is that yes there were clearly orders given to make sure that they did not provide any meaningful deterrence to Trump's crowd. wrt the violent mob moving in changing stuff, that's where the specific orders post above preventing the DCNG from assisting become relevant. both sergeant at arms' testimonies are pretty deeply unsatisfying in terms of explaining just how the gently caress such an egregious failure happened. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jul 13, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:my thesis in bringing that up is that yes there were clearly orders given to make sure that they did not provide any meaningful deterrence to Trump's crowd This tracks with some of them being so distraught and guilt-ridden they would choose suicide. Man, what a fuckin' shitshow. And as I recall every single one of us that day expected the Cap PD to get wet.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:my thesis in bringing that up is that yes there were clearly orders given to make sure that they did not provide any meaningful deterrence to Trump's crowd The obvious explanation is cops are chuds and did the bare minimum because they were sympathetic to the insurrectionists. Regardless of direct orders there would have been a bloodbath for all non chud riots going at the Capitol. It’s the same poo poo where a white dude can brandish a weapon at a cop and is politely talked down while everyone else gets shot 50 times, doesn’t matter what department policy is on paper the outcomes are baked in.
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deathbysnusnu posted:The obvious explanation is cops are chuds and did the bare minimum because they were sympathetic to the insurrectionists. Regardless of direct orders there would have been a bloodbath for all non chud riots going at the Capitol. It’s the same poo poo where a white dude can brandish a weapon at a cop and is politely talked down while everyone else gets shot 50 times, doesn’t matter what department policy is on paper the outcomes are baked in. yes american policing is an absolute tire fire, but in this case it does matter if they are a tire fire by choice or if there were specific orders to be worthless that perhaps came in coordination with other orders for other organizations involved in the response to also be ineffective
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deathbysnusnu posted:National guard not police. Capitol police don’t operate at the presidents leisure nor do the dc police. If the cops had treated a literal coup with the same seriousness as say people protesting near a church or the Supreme Court the January 6ers would have been torn to pieces like a wet Kleenex. Are DC police in charge of security at the Capital though?
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I absolutely guarantee that any deaths of congresspeople as a result of the insurrection would, should it succeed at all, be wholeheartedly embraced, and I also guarantee that any congresspeople caught by the mob (not the OK/PB), would almost certainly have been killed or severely injured. I include true believers and even conspirators in this - Hawley, Gaetz, Jordan, Boebert, you name them - because you can't control a mob, and a mob is, by definition, running on pure rage, with the actions of individuals determined by the actions of everyone around them. Trumpers who were actively engaged in trying to get certification tossed back to the states were freaking out and trying to get Trump to call it off; they were well aware of this danger, and it's only because the immediate danger has passed and they've convinced themselves they won't be in the crosshairs again and will actively benefit so long as they continue to embrace him. I offer as a scrap of proof that video clip where rioters were pawing through random documents in the Senate chamber and they initially misread something Ted Cruz had, jumping instantly to the belief that he was a traitor despite him being one of the people vocally attempting to derail certification. And those folks didn't have him right there, it wasn't heat of the moment with a target within reach, it was when that particular group was milling around and largely loving about. Bringing up the reaction of Ashli Babbitt's group to spotting congressional staffers evacuating past the police barricade again as well; they didn't recognize any of those people, and it didn't matter. If the insurrection had succeeded, it wouldn't have mattered who or how many were killed in the process, every bit of it would have been justified and waved away, just as every bit of what did happen has been justified and waved away, even though the coup has not (yet, yet) succeeded. As far as individuals though, Romney was already considered a turbo-traitor, and if Goodman hadn't turned him around, he would 100% have died. Trump specifically set the mob on Pence, and doubled down as the building was under siege. Pelosi was the communist devil who likes to eat babies and disrespected daddy, and they went thundering through her offices trying to find her and screaming for the cops to bring her out. Absolutely nothing good comes of thinking of what would have happened if they'd caught any member of the Squad, but particularly AOC, and the "leftist" ghouls that set about mocking her being for afraid and triggered by past sexual abuse trauma are irredeemable pieces of poo poo. Any of these folks dying would be very specifically celebrated by the people who are still Trump's base, and it's possible elected Republicans might have displayed some deep concern, but who the hell knows at this point, even their own lives being in danger wasn't enough of a crossed line. In any case, any deaths of actual targeted members of congress or the VP; no matter how awful those folks might be, would be blood in the water, and would have galvanized and radicalized the base even further. It certainly would have driven the mob to even further heights of violence. There would have been no net benefit for the world if that had happened, it would have made everything so, so, so much worse. edit: also worth noting that, while it tends to get lost in the shuffle, Kamala Harris was yards away from the pipe bomb left at the DNC for at least two hours. kartikeya fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Jul 13, 2022 |
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The source for that claim would be as interesting as the identity of the person called, and both are wide-open fields.
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Cimber posted:Are DC police in charge of security at the Capital though? 911 operator what is your emergency… you’re on the Capitol police force and a crowd of armed men are attempting to murder Congress and you need help? Sorry that’s not our jurisdiction have a nice day! The cops didn’t do poo poo because they were complicit. They would have suffered zero negative consequences for actually doing their jobs but opted not to.
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cr0y posted:Any theories on who that might be? I'm guessing Sarah Matthews, former deputy press secretary. Young, apparently friendly with Cassidy and of course Trump would not try to bully a young woman, right?
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quote:First on CNN: Trump tried to call a member of the White House support staff talking with January 6 committee, sources say https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/13/politics/trump-contact-white-house-support-staffer-january-6-committee/index.html
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Not sure if this was posted, good stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuvm2UwMP0w https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1547336911596900352
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I bet he threw a burger at the wall when Casey told the story.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:people keep repeating poo poo like this and it's dumb and a relic of like 2014 brain because at the moment trump can't even call up a former lawyer without getting the doj notified of potential witness tampering
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OgNar posted:We never did find out who the Starfleet guy was from the previous one. Who is the woman behind him who looks incredibly disgusted?
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Xiahou Dun posted:Can you explain what leads you to this impression? Despite the constant tweeting, Trump has never been stupid enough to put his more criminal acts in any kind of written exchanges and he's rarely if ever been direct about it. All of his circle has stated, "yeah Jan 6 is gonna a big day, get ready for the craziness" and his loyalists knew that meant "we're getting ready for war" but that's because Trump has spent months stoking tensions. Anything he's ever said has been circuitous. He told Comey "Can you see yourself letting this go (in regards to the Flynn investigation)". His lawyer told Bannon's lawyer "feel free to invoke any privilege you think you have (without ever saying I invoke executive privilege)". He told Flynn "we're behind you as long as you don't snitch (dangling the idea of a pardon without saying so)". He and his inner circle knew how to get what he wanted -- a violent revolution -- without ever saying those words. And anything he ever said was perfectly within the bounds of acceptable discourse. V-Men fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Jul 14, 2022 |
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Dr. Faustus posted:https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/13/politics/trump-contact-white-house-support-staffer-january-6-committee/index.html It took me a bit to realize they didn't mean "Trump literally called the White House staffer during the middle of a deposition, as in, the staffer was answering Congressional questions and then their phone started ringing"
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Who is the woman behind him who looks incredibly disgusted? His wife I believe.
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OgNar posted:Not sure if this was posted, good stuff. off topic, but why the hell do tweets no imbed when I am using my macbook (Firefox), but imbed when I am using my PC (also firefox)
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Who is the woman behind him who looks incredibly disgusted? I believe it was his wife. I think it was a great move to put this guy in front of the committee. He came across as respectful, genuine, and contrite and I actually felt a little bad for the guy. Yeah, yeah, he was a MAGA dipshit, but being economically distressed with children and working in a cabinet factory in west virginia for 20 years surrounded by people just like you will do some poo poo to your brain. The lack of polish in his testimony made for a good outreach moment for any waning chuds watching, and humanized/de-polarized the committee's overall appearance as well.
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Pissed Ape Sexist posted:I believe it was his wife. I think it was a great move to put this guy in front of the committee. He came across as respectful, genuine, and contrite and I actually felt a little bad for the guy. Yeah, yeah, he was a MAGA dipshit, but being economically distressed with children and working in a cabinet factory in west virginia for 20 years surrounded by people just like you will do some poo poo to your brain. The lack of polish in his testimony made for a good outreach moment for any waning chuds watching, and humanized/de-polarized the committee's overall appearance as well. I think he was more representative of the types of Americans that are susceptible to propaganda through social media. Is he a dipshit? Well, thats not so easy to say. He got caught up in something that was deliberately designs to manipulate, and he likely didn't have the critical thought defenses to ask questions like 'is this person telling the truth' or 'is this claim verified'. He's probably been bombarded by right wing noise for years, and speaking as someone who's listened to that sort of thing in the early-mid 90s, its really loving effective at what it does. It sets up a 'us vs them' mentality, tells the listener over and over that 'they' are at fault for your problems, and redirects you from thinking about the real cause of the working and lower middle class woes. I feel bad for him and other Americans who got brainwashed by this poo poo, because its really loving insidious.
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Pissed Ape Sexist posted:I believe it was his wife. I think it was a great move to put this guy in front of the committee. He came across as respectful, genuine, and contrite and I actually felt a little bad for the guy. Yeah, yeah, he was a MAGA dipshit, but being economically distressed with children and working in a cabinet factory in west virginia for 20 years surrounded by people just like you will do some poo poo to your brain. The lack of polish in his testimony made for a good outreach moment for any waning chuds watching, and humanized/de-polarized the committee's overall appearance as well. How many waning chuds do you think are watching?
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Cimber posted:off topic, but why the hell do tweets no imbed when I am using my macbook (Firefox), but imbed when I am using my PC (also firefox) Twitter embeds are disabled on Safari based browsers on SA for now. They’re broken.
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Danger posted:How many waning chuds do you think are watching?
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vseslav.botkin posted:Where's a good place with a roundup of the major points from these hearings? If you're okay with podcast form, I usually listen to the Lawfare podcast episodes about each hearing, which does a decent job highlighting points.
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vseslav.botkin posted:Where's a good place with a roundup of the major points from these hearings? https://apnews.com/hub/capitol-siege
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Cimber posted:He got caught up in something that was deliberately designs to manipulate, and he likely didn't have the critical thought defenses to ask questions like 'is this person telling the truth' or 'is this claim verified'. Yeah, that's where I'm at. That's why the early-on cries insisting that people should sever from family members who have been brainwashed seemed so gross to me as well. It's like some awful disease grown in a lab with very specific, tested, exploitative intent, and most people didn't get wrapped up in it entirely through their own free will. It's sad.
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