chupacabraTERROR posted:

I too was airlocked for the crime of asking, no demanding, that Mittani resign. Avenge me

Baculus posted:

who? merkelchen who's eating crow and feigning melancholy?

innominate?

speaking of which, where the gently caress are you innominate? are you back to pretending you're not reading this?

this entire affair is your fault - the best spin your own colleagues could come up with was that you misinterpreted a harassment complaint and then didn't follow up... that's the BEST framing they could come up with. you are a human being with full agency, expecting to be in this like trusted leadership position, and you can't even acknowledge your own fuckup? every single person in this loving thread has done someone dirty by being lazy or not paying attention or just being normal and making a mistake - and the overwhelming majority of us own it when we gently caress up. we own our mistakes, we deal with the consequences, we learn and we grow. so where the gently caress is your slice of humble pie?

not only did you spout your stupid rear end nazi poo poo while getting shitfaced on someone else's discord - you had the actual loving balls to waltz in and loving pretend like you hadn't done anyone there dirty - knowing full loving well you had.

hats off to you man, hats off. you're a real piece of work.

hailthefish posted:

might gently caress around and redownload eve just to poo poo up 1dq local but

hailthefish posted:

might gently caress around and redownload eve just to poo poo up 1dq local but

Jenrai posted:

Just use EVE Anywhere if it's available to you

chupacabraTERROR posted:

The Rest of EVE should reinvade so we can topple this shitheap. Not that Rest of EVE is much better, but Mittens sandcastle needs kicking.

TheWeedNumber posted:

think that poo poo requires you to be subbed just fyi

Furnok Dorn posted:

TheWeedNumber posted:

think that poo poo requires you to be subbed just fyi

chupacabraTERROR posted:

The Rest of EVE should reinvade so we can topple this shitheap. Not that Rest of EVE is much better, but Mittens sandcastle needs kicking.

PathAsc posted:

Jesus gently caress, even the pubbies in starter corps are defending xenuria

chupacabraTERROR posted:

The Rest of EVE should reinvade so we can topple this shitheap. Not that Rest of EVE is much better, but Mittens sandcastle needs kicking.

goninzo posted:

Thank you Bilirubin for saving this for me.

PathAsc posted:

Jesus gently caress, even the pubbies in starter corps are defending xenuria

Jenrai posted:

Oh, rip

ChickenWing posted:

I stand by what I said. I have trouble believing that many people in other large blocs would have mustered up nearly a fraction of the outrage we have over a similar incident.

Not trying by any stretch to say the Imperium is not poo poo, but by god it's still near the top of the shitheap

TheWeedNumber posted:

:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

PathAsc posted:

Dude I owe you an apology about the nickname too, I legit didn't know THAT was where it came from, I'm sorry I thought it was a play on words until you posted that here.

Johnny Five-Jaces posted:

i'll leave bigab for this

e: although perhaps we can workshop something a little better than "hole violence"

Zodium posted:

I (icorion) was a close to founding member of the star chamber cum superfriends cabal up until my exile when I yelled at Darius too much for being a useless poo poo shortly after the victory against Band of Brothers... in late 2009? No one below superfriends knew anything we got up to, least of all the "Illuminati."

Back then, while we were all fairly terrible except for maybe knar, we were mostly terrible space people who manipulated and betrayed everyone for isk and power, made deals with computer criminals, and I’m pretty sure Darius buddied up to some people in organized crime. The worst I saw myself was one time I had to turn down an offer to cut an enemy FC’s power.

also slurs and edgy jokes galore.

Magugu posted:

Ships too, and it doesn't necessarily mean you have to log in. If the structure blows up, or gets taken down then your stuff automatically goes to asset safety. The only risk is if for some reason fuel blocks get pulled, or it runs out of fuel and the structure goes abandoned. Then the structure can be blown up and will drop your hanger and you lose your stuff.

It's rare that happens, but it is a greater than 0% chance.

https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Asset_safety You can log in on alpha and push a couple buttons to asset safety your stuff, its pretty painless beyond logging in.

ded posted:

composted post ahead

I've been going over this in my head for some time now. Thinking about why I am angry about this garbage fire. How the latest problems really started, and who enabled the whole thing.

The entire GSF leadership broke trust and enabled the Mittani and others to do some really nasty stuff.

I find that GSF had a cultural revolution that got rid of toxic gamer stuff like slurs and harassment. Everything was supposed to be cool and hey they even have a sig for LGBTQ+. Women also have a sig and seem to not be constantly gone after in creepy ways.
This turned out to be smoke and mirrors. The same rot of the old goonfleet was still there.
I should have seen the warning signs. They were everywhere. Just not spoken out loud until a bit later.

What signs you ask? The goonfleet forums has a giant wiki that for a very long time was an outstanding place to get general information about eve. As long as you overlooked the nonstop gamer words and slurs in it. The cultural revolution apparently never reached the wiki. It still had some useful things like how to tackle, how to get an overview setup, and how to install a program that is used for goon services and how to modify those things so they don't run like crap or look better. But it was still a giant pile of gamer words and slurs. When leadership was asked about this the answer was "oh we never got around to it". Big red flag right there. The “revolution” to remove these things was in 2012.

Who shined a light on this giant turd left by leadership? Delta Sqad.

The goonfleet forums themselves were also full of horrible emotes. Actual nazi emotes, slurs, rape jokes, you god damned name it. The absolute worst of the worst was there. When leadership was asked why is this still here? "oh we never got around to it". Another giant red flag. Again, the “revolution” to remove these kinds of things happened in 2012.

Who shined a light on this giant turd left by leadership? Delta Sqad.

Delta Sqad put in effort to clean these things. We were not able to clean it all but got some of it. You can still find slurs and gamer words in the wiki and horrible emotes on the forums. The single person who can remove those emotes is guess who? Innominate.

What did Delta Sqad get called for shining a light on these turds? Toxic.


Now fast forward a bit and the giant war has ended. The leader of Queerswarm (the GSF LGBTQ+ sig) is in a fleet and is directly called a slur. When the person who said this was confronted he not only double downed on it but triple downed on it. This was reported to leadership. Cryo made sure that illuminati (the GSF inner circle of leadership) was aware of this. Alterari made sure the guys corp GLD was notified. What did leadership do? They handed the problem off to Innominate. Days later nothing has been resolved. After some digging is done it is found out that the person who slurred "apologized" to his corp CEO and nothing further was done about it. You see he grew up in the 80s and was drunk so no harm no foul right? (this is not a joke this was what was actually said)

The person that was attacked was never spoken to about this. Never reached out to. In the eyes of the entire GSF no consequences occurred to someone personally attacking another via slurs in a GSF lead fleet. In fact to this very day he still has not had an actual apology of any sort.

In an effort to get some kind of actual resolution to this the person who was attacked made a call out thread about it in helldump on goonfleet.com. Delta is shining a light on yet another turd leadership left lying around. Delta is toxic. So so very toxic.

Only after this thread was made was action taken. About 1-2 days later anyways. The offending homophobe was airlocked and all was well. Right? Well no actually the entire corp he was a part of left the GSF because they had been told the problem was resolved before the kick. They went and put the homophobe back into the corp and joined HERO coalition.

Delta Sqad once again forced leadership to take action on something they said no longer happened in the GSF. Toxic.

Now the most recent event that grabbed everyone's attention. Mcwolf. During the war Mcwolf joined the GSF and also happened to be a Twitch streamer. She joined up with Delta Sqad because of our outstanding posting and streamed some of the fights we had with PAPI.

Some of the people who followed her online on various platforms got a bit too stalkerish. She used the available features on those platforms to block/remove the offending people but like many things online they just kept coming back. 2 of those people followed her in eve online as well. They went so far as to join the GSF to continue this behavior. Again, leadership was notified of this. MRCHI asked wolf to send a goonfleet.com private message to Innominate with logs and screenshots of one of the people who had been stalking her, in January. This was to be supplemental information to what MRCHI already had to get this person blacklisted from the alliance. It sat in his box for 6 months before being looked at. When he did read them he described the message as “a wall of text that was not actionable”.

Behind the closed doors of the inner circle illuminati wolf was called every single misogynistic word in the book and even newer ones that are favorites of PUA artists. She was mocked as another Amber Heard. Here are some of the words said by the the leader himself :

the_mittani: gosh why isn't anyone DOING SOMETHING about the HURT FEELINGS of this WOUNDED BIRD
the_mittani: it's all horseshit
the_mittani: and i bet you the delta drama would be substantially cut down with a couple of particularly dramatic skulls put on loving spikes

Wolf felt she had no choice so she took this from a private matter into a public one by posting a thread in helldump on goonfleet.com about the issue. The person who had been harassing her has a mental health crisis in the thread. Everything gets locked down and the stalker is kicked. Wolf is kicked as well.

When the directorate is asked why was wolf kicked there is no clear answer. One director in the Delta Sqad discord goes ballistic over this and has some rather choice things to say about it all :

[GEWNS] Kazanir — 07/10/2022
there is nothing in the text that Wolf wrote to Innominate which is either an allegation of stalking or an allegation of sexual harassment. that is literally not what happened.
[GEWNS] Kazanir — 07/10/2022
what did happen, apparently, is that wolf filed this information at MRCHI's request, it didn't contain much actionable, and then it went nowhere, somehow
[GEWNS] Kazanir — 07/10/2022
but what did NOT happen here is that someone "sat on a report of sexual harassment for 6 months"

There are screenshots that show when exactly the PM was sent and when Innominate looked at it.

Then FNLN comes in. He has a chat with mittani directly whom he has known for a very long time. You have seen these logs. The logs are horrendous. This is what made me see the rot that was there the entire time. The guy who swore up and down and sideways that GSF had a cultural revolution and this kind of poo poo would not be tolerated was himself spouting things that would get any other member of the GSF airlocked.

At some point wolf was unbanned from GSF but no one apologized to her other than AmazingJay. Mittani posted some bullshit sorry on goonfleet.com that wolf can’t even read because she was kicked. A bunch of words that sound good but you know had no actual feelings behind them, after you have seen the logs, seen how other issues were handled, and seen the complete dumpster fire that is goonfleet.com.

Delta went nuclear. Our goodposting went into helldump on goonfleet.com, the eve thread on the somethingawful.com forums, and even to reddit. Logs have been posted of actual conversations that you have already read. Several of us have been outright banned for posting in the “anything goes” helldump. Many others have left on their own out of disgust. Old members from goonfleet have done good posting as well.

The amount of ~true goons~ who think this sort of thing is acceptable is pretty much zero.

No no guys. Delta Sqad is toxic you see. Trust the system. Trust the process. Everything is fine and good we had a cultural revolution in 2012.

If you want real change to happen to GSF the leadership at the top needs to be removed from all levers of power and never be allowed to touch them ever again. This will not happen however. The people at the top have made this game into a personal font of public validation.

Many other things have come out since I started working on this compost yesterday. Just remember, when you think it cannot get worse, it already was.

More stuff that has happened while working on this, mittani is now permabanned from SA. inshallah

TLDR :
GSF has not changed even with the 2012 “cultural revolution”
Nearly everything the GSF leadership tells you is a lie unless it involves ISK
Eve is a bad game and you should not play it

Thank you for reading my doctorate thesis on stupid internet spaceship guild

Herstory Begins Now posted:

being on top of the shitheap while still covering for mittani and xenuria is still being a worthless piece of poo poo

hope this helps

Foehammer007 posted:

I feel like bigab/rote is probably the closest we can get to HV.

PathAsc posted:

Jesus gently caress, even the pubbies in starter corps are defending xenuria

Olpainless posted:

What the gently caress is wrong with people

Omon Ra posted:

Holy poo poo. Am I correct in understanding that Delta Sqad was fully aware of stalking, transphobia and other bigotry in GSF, yet elected to remain part of it for years? Please tell me that's not the case and I'm misunderstanding.

Omon Ra posted:

Holy poo poo. Am I correct in understanding that Delta Sqad was fully aware of stalking, transphobia and other bigotry in GSF, yet elected to remain part of it for years? Please tell me that's not the case and I'm misunderstanding.

Omon Ra posted:

Holy poo poo. Am I correct in understanding that Delta Sqad was fully aware of stalking, transphobia and other bigotry in GSF, yet elected to remain part of it for years? Please tell me that's not the case and I'm misunderstanding.

Dalmuti posted:

delta sqad was deader than disco for 10+ years. once the horn of goondor sounded, a few of us old timers got the band back together and attracted a bunch of newer goodposters. we assumed the whole cultural revolution was the real deal and cool and good.

as you can see, we are quite muscular posters, and when it came to light how one of our own was being hosed over (6 months after the fact once appropriate channels had been ignored) we got to posting. turns out there were a lot of other folks similarly hosed over during our long slumber.

we won the big war single handedly and we'll tear this mf-er down single handedly if thats what it takes

ShowTime posted:

I hope Delta splits, takes in all the Goonswarm expats and we have some awesome goon civil war scenario, with Delta becoming allies with a bunch of other Eve organizations that now want to see Goonswarm purged. It would make for such great content.