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SCheeseman posted:Serious Sam is at it's best with co-op play, more people the better. I got a bunch of people to play it at a lan years ago (like, a decade and a half lmao) and it was some of the most fun I've had. yep I played it LAN years ago and it was the most fun playing games I’ve had ever. It’s soooo good
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Finished another episode of Amid Evil. I'm now allegedly 3/7ths of the way through the game, but this episode was as long as the first two combined. The enemies were more annoying, too! Not a great combination. (I do appreciate that each episode has a completely different bestiary, but there are some misses.) I've also figured out that part of my problem with AE is that the soul power mechanic reminds me of Painkiller, which leads to me asking uncomfortable questions like "why am I playing this rather than just installing and replaying Painkiller?" I've even got it on Steam already! Speaking of Painkiller, I went looking and it looks like since last time I played it there have been no less than four expandalones released -- Overdose, Resurrection, Redemption, and Recurring Evil. Are any of them worth playing? I loved the original game, but Battle out of Hell was a turd.
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ToxicFrog posted:Speaking of Painkiller, I went looking and it looks like since last time I played it there have been no less than four expandalones released -- Overdose, Resurrection, Redemption, and Recurring Evil. Are any of them worth playing? I loved the original game, but Battle out of Hell was a turd. From what I understand, Overdose is the best of them. That's not a good thing.
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Jul 14, 2022 02:36
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Episode 3 of Amid Evil is easily the weakest, mostly because the enemies suck.
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Jul 14, 2022 02:39
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ToxicFrog posted:Speaking of Painkiller, I went looking and it looks like since last time I played it there have been no less than four expandalones released -- Overdose, Resurrection, Redemption, and Recurring Evil. Are any of them worth playing? I loved the original game, but Battle out of Hell was a turd.
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Jul 14, 2022 09:39
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ToxicFrog posted:"why am I playing this rather than just installing and replaying Painkiller?" I've even got it on Steam already! level design
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Jul 14, 2022 09:57
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When Painkiller came out and somehow everyone went "This is exactly like Doom in every single way! It's just Doom again, the game where you just hold down the button and obliterate thousands of waves of enemies in arena-based gameplay!" I felt despair that only the mid 2000s games industry could provide. God, what a dark time for gaming.
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Jul 14, 2022 12:40
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Painkiller is pretty badass though.
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ToxicFrog posted:Finished another episode of Amid Evil. I'm now allegedly 3/7ths of the way through the game, but this episode was as long as the first two combined. The enemies were more annoying, too! Not a great combination. (I do appreciate that each episode has a completely different bestiary, but there are some misses.) ae gets better as it goes on, episodes 4-7 are the best in the game. the third episode is the weakest of the bunch for sure.
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Jul 14, 2022 13:02
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Volte posted:When Painkiller came out and somehow everyone went "This is exactly like Doom in every single way! It's just Doom again, the game where you just hold down the button and obliterate thousands of waves of enemies in arena-based gameplay!" I felt despair that only the mid 2000s games industry could provide. God, what a dark time for gaming. agreed
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Finished Ion Fury after spending a few weeks playing it on and off. Think my biggest annoyance with it was how long it took it before the enemies got more varied than the cultists.
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Disproportionation posted:Everything about doom 2016 from a marketing perspective was almost a complete disaster to the point that it being good came as a shock, never mind it being really good. I really think Bethesda management/marketing thought what they were selling was a competitor to Call of Duty, a huge multiplayer shooter that also has a single-player campaign that's largely seen as an afterthought to the multiplayer; that's why the prerelease multiplayer beta instead of a demo, that's why the disinterest in showing us singleplayer footage, that's why the DLC was all multiplayer-focused. They were as surprised as we were when the game unlocked and surprise, it's goddamned amazing and everybody loves it, and the multiplayer flubbed so badly that they ended up giving away the DLC just so the people who bought it would have somebody to play with.
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Volte posted:When Painkiller came out and somehow everyone went "This is exactly like Doom in every single way! It's just Doom again, the game where you just hold down the button and obliterate thousands of waves of enemies in arena-based gameplay!" I felt despair that only the mid 2000s games industry could provide. God, what a dark time for gaming. While Painkiller's philosophy of level and encounter design is very different from Doom's, it is a throwback to 90s FPS design sensibilities in the sense that: - your character moves like a greased ferret - there's no cover system, weapon carry limits, or regenerating health - there's no need to reload guns - there are no mission objectives more complicated than "reach the exit, killing everything in your path" - what little plot there is exists solely in between-episode intermissions and is clearly an afterthought - you have a bunch of powerful weapons that all remain useful in their niches right to the end of the game - level designers can (and do) make use of encounters with swarms of dozens or even hundreds of enemies, rather than like 5-10 - no attempt whatsoever is made to keep the weapons or enemies realistic - surviving an encounter requires constant movement and judicious weapon selection and target prioritization by the player And for most people, the game that epitomizes that sort of high-speed I-have-50-shots-for-my-rocket-launcher-and-can-use-them-all-up-in-30-seconds gameplay is Doom, even if there are other games from that era that are a closer match for Painkiller (and its nearest ancestor is probably not any of them, but Serious Sam, which predates PK1 by only a few years). Also, similarity or lack thereof to Doom (and drearily monochromatic palette) aside, Painkiller owns bones and I'm definitely due to replay it.
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Painkiller is a fun game/series. They have their painful moments but I have no regrets going through them.
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Jul 14, 2022 16:54
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You know, I don't think I've ever really noticed the Painkiller series, but you guys are selling it well. They all seem to be on sale right now, where should I start?
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Serephina posted:You know, I don't think I've ever really noticed the Painkiller series, but you guys are selling it well. They all seem to be on sale right now, where should I start?
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Also, like, be advised Painkiller has a lot of flaws and is basically just a bunch of sloppy slaughter maps. Its not terrible (I certainly had fun) but its exactly the quality you might think it is from "Ive never really heard of this before but some people are fond of it". Oh and I'd personally recommend cheating to unlock each card after you beat a level because the unlocks really mess up the flow
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Jul 14, 2022 18:04
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Barudak posted:Also, like, be advised Painkiller has a lot of flaws and is basically just a bunch of sloppy slaughter maps. Its not terrible (I certainly had fun) but its exactly the quality you might think it is from "Ive never really heard of this before but some people are fond of it". I'm one of those weirdos who really liked most of the unlocks, they challenged me to play levels in ways I wouldn't have otherwise.
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Jul 14, 2022 18:06
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I like Painkiller but yeah only play Black edition and curb your expectations a bit because it's a little jank. I had fun though and I think the card system is pretty neat. I think some of the levels are only playable on higher difficulties though so take that into consideration? Edit: I also think doing the actual unlocks for cards is fun but your mileage may vary.
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Jul 14, 2022 18:07
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painkiller is definitely one of those "it was fun at the time" games, but not today
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Jul 14, 2022 18:10
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painkiller sucks dick, in a bad way
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Painkiller Black Edition stands up as a 'boomer shooter' if you like those kinds of games. Also the card to get and keep forever is 'double ammo' so you never stop shooting. 
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There's a handful of painkiller levels that have actual geometry, backtracking keys, moving bits of the level that show the tiniest glimpse of something really special. But i played it last year for the first time and still had fun with the simple arenas and hallways approach to makes up 90% of the game. The FMVs are awesome as well.
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Oh yeah its got absolutely dreadful bosses, just like every other FPS ever made.
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i did like how huge the bosses were and how they would knock around tons of level geometry tho. early havok physics ftw
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can't forget necrovision!
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Mordja posted:can't forget necrovision! This game was crazy. You play this horror WW1 story with crazy zombies and wizards and all sorts of nonsense building up to you fighting a huge boss, then instead of the game ending you go to hell and turn into a wizard with crazy magic powers and fight mole people
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that sounds rad
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Jul 14, 2022 21:35
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yeah that sounds like a very good level of crazy.
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Too bad it actually kinda sucked to play.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:that sounds rad
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I need to get back to Necrovision. Painkiller too, really, it's been a long time since I last played either.
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i need to record some Project Brutality + Slaughtermaps to showcase how loving ludicrous it can be
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Convex posted:This game was crazy. You play this horror WW1 story with crazy zombies and wizards and all sorts of nonsense building up to you fighting a huge boss, then instead of the game ending you go to hell and turn into a wizard with crazy magic powers and fight mole people Also there's a secret in one level where you meet J.R.R. Tolkien.
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Barudak posted:Also, like, be advised Painkiller has a lot of flaws and is basically just a bunch of sloppy slaughter maps. Its not terrible (I certainly had fun) but its exactly the quality you might think it is from "Ive never really heard of this before but some people are fond of it". Yeah, and whereas a Doom II slaughtermap has a robust and masterfully crafted enemy roster to draw from, Painkiller's bestiary basically boils down to a choice of aesthetic--with most enemies having few actual differences under the hood. I still have trouble reconciling the fact that the developers made so many different enemies, and then gave them all the same fundamental AI, HP & stats, etc.
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Necrovision is the perfect game to play for one hour every three years
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I’ve been meaning to play Nevrovision, I’ve had it installed and waiting to be played for what feels like years.
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KozmoNaut posted:Also there's a secret in one level where you meet J.R.R. Tolkien.  Well I gotta play this poo poo now.
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Convex posted:This game was crazy. You play this horror WW1 story with crazy zombies and wizards and all sorts of nonsense building up to you fighting a huge boss, then instead of the game ending you go to hell and turn into a wizard with crazy magic powers and fight mole people Necrovision is hilarious, especially once you get a combo going and things around you just start exploding for no reason.
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