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It’s definitely about knee-jerk anger toward the new and scary thing. Even the “I get in the car and drive without stopping” crowd is never going 1000 miles in a single leg.Vegetable posted:We’re being a bit disingenuous here — it obviously isn’t just about the range but also about the availability and quickness of chargers/gas stations. We’ve been slightly dissuaded from a few road trips because of how our vehicle might struggle to find a charger on certain routes. It’s not a big deal for us but some people don’t like worrying about that sort of thing. Increasing interoperability between Tesla and CCS chargers will bridge some of that gap for a lot of current owners, but this is a good point. I think, assuming no significant GOP/oil conglomerate interference, that an EV will be a viable option for almost anyone within 5-10 years. Charging speed will increase too, but I think we’ll see more L2 and “slow fast” charging in remote areas first. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I think possibly in theory you can get a Ford 3L diesel with a 36 gallon tank that will do 1000 highway miles but I sort of doubt it’s ever been done. Let’s be honest and take off at least 100 miles for rolling coal.
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Vegetable posted:We’re being a bit disingenuous here — it obviously isn’t just about the range but also about the availability and quickness of chargers/gas stations. We’ve been slightly dissuaded from a few road trips because of how our vehicle might struggle to find a charger on certain routes. It’s not a big deal for us but some people don’t like worrying about that sort of thing. I tried to plan a route to visit my sister in North Dakota using ABRP and it basically just shrugged and said "no". Yes, infrastructure is improving, but even just driving up I-5 into Oregon would involve hitting up a Chargepoint L2 in a Walmart.
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Where you are you L2 charging on I-5, I've driven from Reno to Portland in a Mach-E GT without charging at anything about 350kw EAs
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I don't know why the gas station chains haven't just gone and like, thrown even 1 or 2, 50kw chargers at every shop to keep EV business coming in to buy beef jerky and lotto tickets. I mean "ha ha why would oil companies encourage EVs" aside, companies like shell have their own branded ev charging stations anyways, why give up all that charleston chew and a coffee money to walmarts and stuff? EDIT: that was really the only annoying part of the EV road trip I did last month, all the charging stops were well off the highway at strip malls and walmarts and stuff, some a bit of a jog.
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bitprophet posted:Speaking of OPD and Polestar, mine just updated to P2.2 and I’m in love with the fix that prevents jerkiness when transitioning from cruise control back to one-pedal mode. You can keep the driver map while using CarPlay by using the Android Auto app so that seems like a good compromise if you don’t need Waze. I’ve gotten so used to hitting the pedal before turning off cruise control I haven’t noticed that fix yet. I’m guessing it just turns OPD off for a moment?
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It's almost like you people have never heard of adult diapers.
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cruft posted:It's almost like you people have never heard of adult diapers. Oh, there's a whole new page. You know what, I'm just gonna let this post stand.
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Tom Guycot posted:I don't know why the gas station chains haven't just gone and like, thrown even 1 or 2, 50kw chargers at every shop to keep EV business coming in to buy beef jerky and lotto tickets. I mean "ha ha why would oil companies encourage EVs" aside, companies like shell have their own branded ev charging stations anyways, why give up all that charleston chew and a coffee money to walmarts and stuff? Tesla actually managed to do this right most of the time, at least the places I've checked on my roadtrip routes. West Wendover is a good example. Charging at EA can add about 10 minutes to your drive vs the Supercharger. That adds up over the course of a day long trip. 
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Has anyone else noticed their M3 getting worse about aggressive unnecessary breaking while using cruise control since the last update? Today for example - sitting at speed, closest car was ~10 car lengths ahead and not breaking/slowing - car suddenly slams on it's brakes, scrubs ~20MPH and nearly gets me rear-ended. My thumb drive died last week or I would have it on video. It's happened multiple times in the last month.
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Darchangel posted:Very rigorous. I was afraid it flew over the threads head but you saved it, thank you goonfriend
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:https://twitter.com/Edmunds_Test/status/1547761524206231554?s=20&t=SuX_Elvbd6ZtSwHcJ7N5IQ
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The Ioniq5 N kitted out with bodywork to resemble a lancia rally hatch would be freakin cool E: whoa holy poo poo  https://www.autoevolution.com/news/hyundai-ioniq-5-dons-lancia-delta-inspired-martini-racing-livery-187005.html priznat fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Tiny Timbs posted:You can keep the driver map while using CarPlay by using the Android Auto app so that seems like a good compromise if you don’t need Waze. quote:I’ve gotten so used to hitting the pedal before turning off cruise control I haven’t noticed that fix yet. I’m guessing it just turns OPD off for a moment?
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FilthyImp posted:I activated it and the Bolt started liking 5 year old instagram posts Wait, I need clarification. Are these five year old Instagram posts, or Instagram posts made by five year olds?
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SchrodingersCat posted:Wait, I need clarification. It's almost Muskian in its elegance. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I think possibly in theory you can get a Ford 3L diesel with a 36 gallon tank that will do 1000 highway miles but I sort of doubt it’s ever been done. Or a 20 year old Skoda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oPShT1DFSI
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mobby_6kl posted:Or a 20 year old Skoda Oh look it's Misha!
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IMO, the actual draw of "thousand mile battery" is 100% to do with all the horror stories of non-Tesla charging locations always being broken while showing up with a 10/10 rating in PlugShare or whatever.
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Roadie posted:IMO, the actual draw of "thousand mile battery" is 100% to do with all the horror stories of non-Tesla charging locations always being broken while showing up with a 10/10 rating in PlugShare or whatever. I actually missed how the conversation started, the Aptera is supposed to have a 1000 mile battery option. Although tbh I doubt they'll actually be able to fit such a big battery in.
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Tom Guycot posted:I don't know why the gas station chains haven't just gone and like, thrown even 1 or 2, 50kw chargers at every shop to keep EV business coming in to buy beef jerky and lotto tickets. Ionity have been building their DC chargers at gas stations here, but Ionity is super giga expensive anyway so...
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mobby_6kl posted:Or a 20 year old Skoda Hypermiler bullshit like taping panel gaps doesn’t count
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I wonder how much range you'd get out of a ~300 mile EV driving at a constant 20 mph or whatever is the most efficient
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Deteriorata posted:Perhaps their position isn't actually rational and defies any reasonable explanation. It's just another way of saying, "They're new and different and I don't understand them so I don't like them."  I encounter this PoV at work pretty much continually, and it drives me absolutely bonkers. With a car I can understand it somewhat since its a major personal purchase and not every car buyer is a car person, but holy gently caress learn to adapt to new things. It makes you a better person.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Hypermiler bullshit like taping panel gaps doesn’t count SlowBloke posted:Oh look it's Misha! Yes it is!
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Sonic Dude posted:It’s definitely about knee-jerk anger toward the new and scary thing. Even the “I get in the car and drive without stopping” crowd is never going 1000 miles in a single leg. Musk actually made a good tweet about why trying to get much more than 300 miles to a charge is a stupid goal awhile back.
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For me I think the ideal max range is being able to drive 80 mph for 2 hours doing 80-10 SoC in the winter and rain or whatever is worst. Probably raining and 33 degrees or dry and 0 degrees or something. Just eyeballing the numbers I bet that's probably somewhere in the vicinity of the 405 mile EPA range of the regular Model S. To Tesla road trippers: do you try and arrive at 10%? In the Mach it didn't matter as much because it can't hit the >200 kW that Teslas can at low SoC so arriving with very low SoC mattered a lot less. Most of the time I'd just charge to 70 or 80% even if it meant I was estimated to arrive at the next charger with 25 or 30% or whatever.
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Risky but a big payoff if you can pull it off consistently
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A regular size sedan or crossover EV with 1000mi of EPA range would, with current tech, weigh like 8000lbs and contain like 65k worth of battery cells. It isn't going to happen.
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bird with big dick posted:Risky but a big payoff if you can pull it off consistently Nah, the estimated remaining charge is very accurate and you can adjust your speed to burn more or less electrons and there is a buffer beyond 0%.
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bird with big dick posted:To Tesla road trippers: do you try and arrive at 10%? In the Mach it didn't matter as much because it can't hit the >200 kW that Teslas can at low SoC so arriving with very low SoC mattered a lot less. Most of the time I'd just charge to 70 or 80% even if it meant I was estimated to arrive at the next charger with 25 or 30% or whatever.
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Elviscat posted:Musk actually made a good tweet about why trying to get much more than 300 miles to a charge is a stupid goal awhile back. I hate to give him credit for saying a reasonable thing, so I won’t. I choose to believe some sort of moderately-intelligent raccoon happened upon his Twitter account and sent that. I could maybe see 500 miles as a reasonable cap, as battery tech improves. That’s 6ish hours at highway speed, and by that point almost everyone has some biological need (food, bathroom, eyes can’t focus anymore because you’ve been staring at the road, etc.) and can stop for 20 minutes. That also requires charging to be widely available and generally a bit faster than today. I don’t doubt that we’ll get there eventually. Modern electric cars are only a few decades old, they’ve only been taken seriously as a non-speciality vehicle for a single decade or less, and gasoline has had 100+ years of pretty consistent improvement.
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Eyes Only posted:A regular size sedan or crossover EV with 1000mi of EPA range would, with current tech, weigh like 8000lbs and contain like 65k worth of battery cells. It isn't going to happen. It would also take a shitload of time to charge, like days on L1.
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The person driving 500 miles with no breaks isn’t going to charge for only 20 minutes. They’re the kind of idiot that wants to take it to 100% so they can drive for another 500 miles non-stop. And I think that’s why they don’t like EVs, they want to drive for as long as possible and stop to refuel as quickly as possible.
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bird with big dick posted:To Tesla road trippers: do you try and arrive at 10%? In the Mach it didn't matter as much because it can't hit the >200 kW that Teslas can at low SoC so arriving with very low SoC mattered a lot less. Most of the time I'd just charge to 70 or 80% even if it meant I was estimated to arrive at the next charger with 25 or 30% or whatever. I do now. The Model S trip computer had a nasty habit of under-estimating energy required for the next trip. After twice having to turn around mid-leg and go back to the charging station to charge back to what we left with the first time +10%, we got into the habit of not leaving until it said we'd get in with 20% on the battery. That car had about a 240 mile range. Our new (2019) Model 3 has a 300+ mile range, and the computer does a much better job estimating what we're going to arrive with, so we eventually started trusting it more, and now it's less of a panic if it says we're going to arrive with 12%. Unless it's very windy or cold, we just pull out when it tells us to.
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Was thinking on the commute to work today that the “only charge to 90% or you destroy your battery” thing is some hot bullshit wrt estimated range I think I’d prefer they just call that 100%
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Tiny Timbs posted:Was thinking on the commute to work today that the “only charge to 90% or you destroy your battery” thing is some hot bullshit wrt estimated range I feel like GM does that, but I think I prefer Tesla's approach of being more upfront with yo, this is available to tap into sometimes, just don't overuse it. Especially when my daily commute is 50 mi at most and charging to 80% is a non issue.
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Tom Guycot posted:I don't know why the gas station chains haven't just gone and like, thrown even 1 or 2, 50kw chargers at every shop to keep EV business coming in to buy beef jerky and lotto tickets. I mean "ha ha why would oil companies encourage EVs" aside, companies like shell have their own branded ev charging stations anyways, why give up all that charleston chew and a coffee money to walmarts and stuff? 1 or 2 50kw chargers would be worse than nothing, since it's not good enough for long distance travel, but might make it look like the situation doesn't need to be improved. Heck, even the charging deal between GM/Pilot/EVgo is lackluster, since they said something like 2000 chargers at 500 locations. That's 4 per, which is not enough. There should be a minimum of 8, with 2 completely isolated systems of 4. Truck stops are great locations for EV chargers, as are large, but comparatively smaller stations like wawa/sheets/etc, but your random exxon is just not built for a 30-45min customer experience. Your average gas station bought exactly enough land to fit the number of fuel dispensers the market research recommended, plus whatever number of parking spots are required by code. Regardless of the appetite the franchisee might have for EV chargers, the facility generally can't support them. I want a sandwich, a drink, a bathroom, and a canopy.
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