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ID card chat: The problem with the way Blair etc talk about ID cards, they don't want just your basic info, they want to integrate medical, financial, criminal records in to it too. I think I've said before, Egyptian ID cards (population approx 100million) have a number, name, marital status, DoB, home town and religion on them and a photo. That's all that is needed. In fact a provisional driving licence would pretty well do it (I can't understand why they are not acceptable as ID). Page snipe: On June 12, 2000, a young man with a gun took the passengers aboard Bus 174 in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil hostage. This documentary examines the event itself, the resulting media frenzy, the police response, and the perpetrator's background.  Oh this is better, more threadish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhQmX4An8dk Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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OwlFancier posted:I mean the other problem with that is that the level of centralization there makes them inherently insecure, the faff is the security a lot of the time, if you cut the faff out it becomes easy to lift that electronic verification data, so it's more of a justification for just cutting out red tape generally and relying on most people not wanting to do a fraud. So if we assume that the ID cards are a bit racist, because tech and because being designed by the UK, they might allow an Asian teenager to use his older brother's card to buy beer at the self service, but that already works with driving licences and half of off-licenses anyway, and it is not the end of the world. Allowing people to sign documents online, it's just an extra layer of offline security that the current online document signers would have to adhere to, instead of a dozen different implementations, one of which randomly emailed me everything to buy a house in some other guy's name because he put the wrong email address in by mistake. Most of the rest would be a combination of the above and the card not being the solution to all social ills through Big Data, but more like a bus pass that your aunt can also use at the post office. Blairites could just not loving stop themselves from making the whole thing sound like Papers, Please as a selling point.
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Jul 15, 2022 15:36
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keep punching joe posted:In fact the numbers for 'illegal immigration' are so low that it's basically not a problem, the vast majority of immigrants go through a lengthy and expensive process in order to obtain leave to remain. Close to 10 grand in visa fees/NHS tax over 5 years in my wife's case and that's the easy route.
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Tesseraction posted:The one thing he will never let go https://twitter.com/FlowersEnglish/status/1547860667893309440 Guys? Guys! I have a fascist idea too! You might really like this one! Can I come in and help with the governing for a bit?
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Tesseraction posted:The one thing he will never let go https://twitter.com/FlowersEnglish/status/1547860667893309440 Didn't it turn out he had some kind of financial interest in ID cards happening?
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If Keir pledges to make Blair like US ambassador or middle east peace envoy I will at least consider voting labour. I won't, but would at least think about it
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I have no problem with ID cards as a thing. What are you even supposed to provide for legal ID if you don't have a passport or drivers licence. There's the argument from a civil lib perspective that the police could abuse it by using it as a pretext to harras minorities, but let's be real and admit that the police already do that without ID cards being a thing. What does concern me about them is the data that's collected. Why would they need anything more than name, dob, address, photo, and possibly some biometrics like a fingerprint. My second concern is the cost, specifically that you would be made to pay for ID. If its to be mandatory then it should be provided without cost to everyone when they turn 16.
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the stupid bastard was banging on about them so hard 20 odd years ago that he was making people like david davis and ann widdecombe look like civil liberties champions
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happyhippy posted:Someone in the family must be apart from some ID badge company. He technically owns some apprenticeship placement thing. White Hat or something. Our place tried to engage with them years ago. Nothing happened, to the surprise of no one.
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Jul 15, 2022 15:50
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keep punching joe posted:What are you even supposed to provide for legal ID if you don't have a passport or drivers licence. in NI you can get an electoral ID card for free and it works just fine
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Tesseraction posted:The one thing he will never let go https://twitter.com/FlowersEnglish/status/1547860667893309440 Dumb as all hell obviously but who/what is that mess of a Twitter account? "UK Brexiteer. Leftard slayer. Rule Britannia. Right-wing patriot. D TRUMP/Nigel Farage I love. BORIS IS A CONMAN. Anti BLM I am a woman that says it how it. :-D"
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crispix posted:in NI you can get an electoral ID card for free and it works just fine The Tory solution will be ID that you can only request if you scan your existing ID (that you might not have) with a smartphone app (that only works on a few phones, and isn't secure), and then it won't arrive in time for whatever you requested it for.
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My local Jobcentre has peered into the future and decided it will be too hot to work next Monday and Tuesday, so they're closing the offices. There's only one thing I'd trust less than a weather forecast, and that's the DWP.
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Danger - Octopus! posted:A smartphone app (that only works on a few phones, and isn't secure) Just remembering the time when the government were offered a cheap off the shelf contact tracing app developed by apple and google,and then plowed on ahead with their own expensive piece of poo poo that didn't work on iphones.
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sebzilla posted:Dumb as all hell obviously but who/what is that mess of a Twitter account?  no, i don't think i will
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Meanwhile Lt. Col Tom describing the current situation and claiming that it's a potential socialist dystopia https://twitter.com/disconnect1187/status/1547966601248399360
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Tesseraction posted:Meanwhile Lt. Col Tom describing the current situation and claiming that it's a potential socialist dystopia https://twitter.com/disconnect1187/status/1547966601248399360 No purer freedom than the freedom to starve to death if you think about it
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Stringently considered, our only natural birthright is a right to die. All the others were fought for.
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I'm a double coronaphobe because I'm both staying home and want to abolish the monarchy.
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withdrawing my whole-hearted full support for Tom Tugendhat after deep research of "watching the first 10 seconds of one video with him in" digs up shock revelation that his name is pronounced "Toogen(d)-haaht" rather "Tuggen'd Hat". long did I dream of mister tuggen'd-hat dancing down the street, tugging his hat down at all the lady folk in gentlemanly respect
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keep punching joe posted:I have no problem with ID cards as a thing. What are you even supposed to provide for legal ID if you don't have a passport or drivers licence. There's the argument from a civil lib perspective that the police could abuse it by using it as a pretext to harras minorities, but let's be real and admit that the police already do that without ID cards being a thing. A provisional driver's license works, I think? I've never been behind the wheel of a car in my life and I've got no intent to start, but I have a provisional license sitting in my wallet anyway.
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Olpainless posted:He technically owns some apprenticeship placement thing. White Hat or something. Our place tried to engage with them years ago. Nothing happened, to the surprise of no one. It's worth like a billion pounds or something.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9pmFxsSGhA I have a new hero.
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Dabir posted:A provisional driver's license works, I think? I've never been behind the wheel of a car in my life and I've got no intent to start, but I have a provisional license sitting in my wallet anyway. It never used to, because you could get one without providing any other form of ID.
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Guavanaut posted:Even the Express has replaced Genius Inventor Boris Johnson  We regret to inform you that the Soviet pumps are tyranny now.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:It's worth like a billion pounds or something. £1.35bn yeah. They reckon Euan Blair might be worth over £300m. He must be a super astute businessman. What great genetics.
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Guavanaut posted:True, but when it comes to fraud the social element is usually the easiest one, so it comes down to "how bad is what they're trying to do really?" I guess I am more concerned that the push to make it usable for online stuff and as a primary form of ID is just going to make ID theft worse, because now there is a single point of failure that you have to have and gets used for everything. The only real protection you have against your entire life going to poo poo because of fraud is that because everything is so decentralized it's harder to hit everything at once, and when people do do stuff like use the same username and password for everything that generally makes it worse. If you're advertising this one thing that is the key to every part of your life that's putting a big target on it for fraudsters and I think is also likely to make it harder to fix knowing how the government is. Given that you would have to have a very permissive recovery department for when people for whatever reason lose their one unified ID for everything or become victims of fraud, the question then becomes why the gently caress do we have all this poo poo in the first place if you're still going to have to post the government three bank statements to get your card back in the end? Why are we adding all this extra securitization instead of focusing on making it unnecessary? With better social programs you could stop hassling people all the time about their benefits, remove dependence on having access to your bank to get food/electricity/shelter. The whole need to have everyone electronically registered and tracked and verified to me seems like a problem of a society increasingly obsessed with restricting access to things for no good reason. Just loving give people food and houses and electricity and water, you can only eat so much, exist in one place at a time, and replace the police with roving gangs of people who shoot crypto enthusiasts on sight and we'll have no issues with lecky or water. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Honestly, I live in Spain. We have id cards. It basically works fine. In the UK we have to use things like NI numbers for everything which is effectively the same or you can end up doing bollocks with utility bills that you may or may not have, especially if you move a lot, rent or are NFA. It's the uk of course so ID cards will be some kind of enormous PPE style contract scam then not work like they should, but not having them has downsides too.
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jiggerypokery posted:It's the uk of course so ID cards will be some kind of enormous PPE style contract scam then not work like they should, but not having them has downsides too. Read an article earlier from 2008 when it was raised back then. It would have cost 19 Billion to implement back then. No loving wonder Blair and other gobshites are desperate to get this done, the money they can just outright steal from it.
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happyhippy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9pmFxsSGhA Yessssssss
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Jedit posted:It never used to, because you could get one without providing any other form of ID. But how do you ever get your 'starter' id? My mum's trying to get an old dear's bus pass for Wales (where she's just moved to from England). She needs to upload (or rather one of us needs to for her) her council tax bill which they have never sent her, just taking direct debits from her bank account. But then I was thinking if you are in one of those sort of couples where everything is in just the man's name or you live with parents or whatever, how do you even get started with ID?
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happyhippy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9pmFxsSGhA I think my sexual orientation has changed to no-nonsense union 'ard men thanks to Mick and Eddie.
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christ is that ann widdicombe? I thought she was dead
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OwlFancier posted:christ is that ann widdicombe? I thought she was dead Nope, gurning on GBNews these days.
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DeadButDelicious posted:I think my sexual orientation has changed to no-nonsense union 'ard men thanks to Mick and Eddie. Have had a few conversations in the past few weeks along the lines of 'is this what unions do'. The narrative of the grasping union baron in his member funded palace deciding to go on strike just for a laugh is pervasive. These guys are getting through to people
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happyhippy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9pmFxsSGhA I got to have a preview of this champion because he was on Novara Media during the RMT strike and while obviously having a friendly audience makes for an easier interview he was clearly a smart lad who Knew His poo poo.
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Guavanaut posted:
Where are you getting all these express energy headlines. They're hilarious, I need to see the source
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I cannot get over the loving galaxy brain take of "wages can't keep pace with inflation" like, wat, you're literally saying that everything has to get more unaffordable over time, how the gently caress is that supposed to work and on the other hand, recorded history??? I also really appreciate him describing profits as taking money out of the economy cos that's really it, isn't it? You go to work you do your job and a portion of that work just gets siphoned off into the infinite black hole of some rich wanker's bank account and it never sees the light of day again. The only reason everything gets more expensive is because of that giant loving hole in the economy. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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