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geonetix posted:As an infosec guy I take offense. You need better infosec people in your life. Well most of the infosec people I work with work for the DOD in some capacity so I cannot possibly agree more with you.
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andromache posted:As an infosec guy, you are all about reducing risk to 0. If you had your way every computer would be an un-networked inert black box. I get it. I also totally understand and respect your personal backstory that makes you feel strongly on this matter. Wow I'd be a really lovely consultant if all this baggage you just saddled on me was actually true. And FYI, I do literal actual enterprise risk management engagements more often than I do purely technical infosec work. I write policy and work with HR departments and legal teams on these issues. I am well acquainted with the complexities here. Your statements are either disingenuous, or ignorant. And in this situation we simply lack alternatives. In the real world we have more options: Suspension with pay (and revocation of roles and permissions, even just surrendering change authority) during an investigation is an option to get abusers out of the way while an investigation is carried forward. I also know that neutral or even third-party investigations are, in the real world, options. I know this because who the gently caress do you think carries them out. We cannot feasibly do any of those things in internet spaceships, so our set of options is thuswise limited here. Instead, on the whole, we're forced to operate on trust. And we have been given a whole lot of reason to lose trust over the last couple of days, with very very piss poor response and frankly, it looks like most accusations leveled herein this thread are true. This isn't about "reducing risk to zero", this is about doing the bare minimum necessary to save the organization. i am not pure infosec, i mentioned do enterprise risk management too and in the case of personnel who have made anti-Semitic comments to coworkers and been complicit sexual harrassment coverup situations you do not leave the guilty parties with administrative IT access, you escort them from the building
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accumulation of personal power leads to an imperial coup of the republic... oh,
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andromache posted:As an infosec guy, you are all about reducing risk to 0. If you had your way every computer would be an un-networked inert black box. I get it. I also totally understand and respect your personal backstory that makes you feel strongly on this matter. As a systems and network engineer I’m always the one trying to get some of the worst info sec guys to dial it back a bit. Right now I have one foaming at the mouth that my VM environment is out of date and I keep trying to explain that the reason it’s out of date is the DR software we use that gets us like 15 second data center failover SLA’s is having issues with the latest patch. Nevermind you can’t even get to the hypervisor except from a hardened jumbox with forced MFA.
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LegionAreI posted:I'm on board with Atrum or Cryo as Space Emperor. Neither of them want it so they're the best choices. I've explained this in Delta to others but I might as well put it here. Cryo cares deeply about people. I care deeply about being fair to people. These aren't the same thing. It manifests very easily when it comes to ship reimbursement. You read the rules, you follow the rules, you get paid. That's fair. Failure to read and follow the rules results in denial of payment. Still fair. Dealing with people is exhausting so I prefer to set up systems to make those interactions as fast and efficient as possible. Hence 3 minute SRP. andromache fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Sounds like we need a cryoatrum ceo powerduo
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learnincurve posted:No results found for “the mittani comfort women”. How about googling "the mittani comfort furniture" ?  At least there's this ironic link google presented me : https://www.accentdecor.com/mittani-pot
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:Remedial (lol) One of the best times I had playing the actual game was getting t2 guns on my rifter for the first time, after BoB totally destroyed us. I lost it the first time I tried to use it in Old Man Star. And then I was trying to poo poo fit a frigate to get home again when Remedial and a bunch of randos he knew came in and he PMed me saying to put a painter and an AB on a vigil and come along. And we small ganged our way for like 3 hours from fight to fight and somehow my vigil lived. It was great. Like I was pulling whatever random small guns and ammo I could out of wrecks. Pretty sure I had hybrids on it. CainFortea fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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geonetix posted:Sounds like we need a cryoatrum ceo powerduo Cryo for CEO, Atrum is adjutant. The figurehead lovebombs and his second keeps him from running into trees.
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Rhymenoserous posted:As a systems and network engineer I’m always the one trying to get some of the worst info sec guys to dial it back a bit. Right now I have one foaming at the mouth that my VM environment is out of date and I keep trying to explain that the reason it’s out of date is the DR software we use that gets us like 15 second data center failover SLA’s is having issues with the latest patch. I'm sorry, your infosec guy is an idiot. Issues with patches are issues with patches. Your infosec guy needs to add it to the loving risk register and rethink his life. Am I foaming at the mouth, Rhymenoserous? Serious question.
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Zodium posted:I honestly don't remember the precipitating event, but that was exactly our M/O: pile stress and stress on poor Sesfan while preparing and convincing his friends and trusted circle to point to our people when he inevitably fell. Something people often mistook about me.... I never wanted the _power_. Not even then. I only ever wanted to protect my friends in my space guild. Perhaps sometimes I would grab a bit of power to be able to do that but I never wanted it for powers sake, and I never broke orders from the CEO. Before someone yells "but mah titan"... Darius has already posted that he knew he was stealing it from me. He even came to my house in the UK to apologise for all the poo poo he and other people did. No worries about apologising. You're a good dude and I was a huge loving arsehole back then. Kids and RL hopefully changed that to a certain extent. We were all just trying to protect our space guild the best we could, the only way we knew how.
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I hope Minitru rises to the call in this historic moment and just starts unpersoning people. Erasing them from propaganda in the past. Full Soviet poo poo. Edited CSM ballots from the past with noms and Xenuria gone. Mittens recast as a negative at best parasite. Complete rehabilitation of banned Delta sqad martyrs. Just all the way loving in. This is why it exists. Hell it almost makes me want to come out of retirement but lmao how did they increase the cost to play since I've been gone holy moly.
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Aedaxus posted:How about googling "the mittani comfort furniture" ? 
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aw yeah, lets do a rerun of the diumvirate (aka duumvirate)!˝
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Rhymenoserous posted:Atrum for CEO I like Atrum too much to wish that upon him.
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andromache posted:As an infosec guy, you are all about reducing risk to 0. If you had your way every computer would be an un-networked inert black box. I get it. I also totally understand and respect your personal backstory that makes you feel strongly on this matter. Do you not see how keeping one of the main people in this entire shitshow around is a huge risk and a sign that meaningful action hasn't been taken? idk why you're even writing words defending it as a low, non-real world risk thing when he's apparently already stepping down (albeit on his own timeline  )
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Do you not see how keeping one of the main people in this entire shitshow around is a huge risk and a sign that meaningful action hasn't been taken? idk why you're even writing words defending it as a low, non-real world risk thing when he's apparently already stepping down (albeit on his own timeline fukken emptyquote
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consuls of the left and right cheeks, with the "ring" as a secretive emergy ruler, anonymous to everyone, with absolute power over both cheeks when the dumbvirate fails to reach a compromise spread
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Good Dumplings posted:yep I don't see any reason to steal from line members. That's kind of lovely.
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Hey can I get a friends and family/firesale discount on a mounted wall orb?
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I suspect the same guy who convinced the mittani to go, either by showing up at his house or threatening to say which lake the car is in, knows where innominate's bodies are buried too - the dude's still a CSM member and he's going to want to hang on to that and the twitch stuff.
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Paramemetic posted:I hope Minitru rises to the call in this historic moment and just starts unpersoning people. Erasing them from propaganda in the past. Full Soviet poo poo. don't loving join up to try to fix poo poo until they've done a minimum of good faith stuff. currently they've done jack poo poo. mittani didn't even step down, he just stepped back while admitting zero fault and taking no responsibility and they're still keeping innom around to step back at his own pace because apparently it is literally impossible to quickly find another IT guy in a group full of career IT people
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Kesper North posted:I'm sorry, your infosec guy is an idiot. Issues with patches are issues with patches. Your infosec guy needs to add it to the loving risk register and rethink his life. No Kesper you are foaming at the brain  Edit: you may be banging the drum a little hard. Goonfleet IT is an esoteric poo poo show originally designed by a goofball. Aside from mittens no one has been “malicious” just stupid and compliant (and possibly intimidated, I have no clue what the dynamics are) Rhymenoserous fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:don't loving join up to try to fix poo poo until they've done a minimum of good faith stuff. currently they've done jack poo poo. mittani didn't even step down, he just stepped back while admitting zero fault and taking no responsibility and they're still keeping innom around to step back at his own pace because apparently it is literally impossible to quickly find another IT guy in a group full of career IT people Oh for sure. Even if it all goes beautifully I don't know if I can be hosed to do esi poo poo. Edit: Like at a minimum I need to see the people involved airlocked not just retired to permanent seats in the star chamber
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Kesper North posted:Wow I'd be a really lovely consultant if all this baggage you just saddled on me was actually true. And FYI, I do literal actual enterprise risk management engagements more often than I do purely technical infosec work. I write policy and work with HR departments and legal teams on these issues. I am well acquainted with the complexities here. Here's the play-by-play... Security guy busts into my office (well actually he sends a Teams message because this is 2022) "We need to patch the servers/update SAP/change the palo/put imperva or fireeye here, this is a critical vulnerability!!!!" Question: Who is using this vulnerability? Answer: I don't know. Question: What industries are being targeted by this vulnerability? Answer: I don't know. Question: How many instances are we seeing? Answer: I don't know. MFer, I can follow Miessler or Cluley on twitter just as easily as you can if that's all you are giving me. That's a simple, tactical, example. And I get that you are more into the setup of sustainable processes and procedures, but what your industry as a whole seems to really struggle with is the analysis and risk management. What does it mean, how long do I have, what's the overall risk assessment. It gives your industry a really bad reputation when you can't provide this information to management.
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i still want to see innominate answer for his role in all this bullshit and still: Cryo, take the throne
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i will gently caress off shortly because I should do other poo poo with my day than yell about eve, but this is the most weakass poo poo I have ever seen. takes literally zero responsibility and does nothing but yell about how it's unfounded slander and a witch hunt and so on what a worthless statement. dude thinks he's the biggest victim in this whole thing andromache posted:Here's the play-by-play... what the gently caress about this half-assed response do you really think is worth writing a paragraph or two in defense of in each post?
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DaiTengu posted:"The loss of my dog" kills me. 
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I love the guy in GSF going, "But if culture comes from the top, and Mittens has been purged for this, then more people lower down will be purged." quickly followed up by ChickenWing saying, "Yep, we definitely want to purge people who use homophobic, transphobic, etc. slurs, who cyberstalk women, and who are abusive". indeed
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Ynglaur posted:I don't see any reason to steal from line members. That's kind of lovely. my idea's less 'take from line members' and more 'line members, take your stuff and make sure leadership can't lock you out of stuff' because holy moly is there a lot of room for ACL shenanigans at a time like this
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Make me CEO I promise to never log into Eve, give a poo poo about any of this or do anything at all except post “lol” now and then
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Herstory Begins Now posted:i will gently caress off shortly because I should do other poo poo with my day than yell about eve, but this is the most weakass poo poo I have ever seen. takes literally zero responsibility and does nothing but yell about how it's unfounded slander and a witch hunt and so on yeah, that's even less "contrite" than his non-apology-apology-by-numbers for the harassment mishandling, it's just him yet again chalking up anyone who has a problem with his behavior as being a drama-obsessed enmeshed narcissistic borderline personality out to ruin him maliciously.
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hailthefish posted:has yogizh been airlocked or is his bullshit still tolerated too? he's still there
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Rhymenoserous posted:No Kesper you are foaming at the brain Okay. This seems like a shift. Help me understand the logic between "innom was fine with Mittani exposing himself to Aldani and also said some super Nazi poo poo" and "innom apparently doesn't think sexual harassment complaints are worth following up on, and may in fact have deleted McWolf's complaints from the system in an attempt to cover up" to "it's fine to leave him with the ability to alter data at will" Note the bolded text. I want to check one of my assumptions here. FNLN or somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that was a factor in this. My "hypothetical" was a tongue-in-cheek reference to what I thought was actually part of the event timeline here, and the thing that Atrum is saying is so unlikely has, in fact, already happened. When this story broke, wasn't Innom's initial response something along the lines of not being able to find McWolf's harrassment reports? If that's not true, I apologize Atrum, and I agree it does mean the likelihood that he'll tamper with IT systems in future is a lot lower than I thought (because I'd understood he already had!). But are we just gonna leave the Nazi comments go by? There are multiple accusations in play here.
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Maybe it's time to change the title? An old era of Goons closed today. A new era for Goons started today.
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