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One thing I’ve always been really grateful for is that during our goon games of cEDH, we basically play with Stax piece training wheels on, it’s the least competetive thing ever lol. Like I’ll cast Dockside, and Karma chirps “uh, no, I’ve got Torpor Orb, u sure buddy?” “Oh, right, uh, that’s true, ok yeah rewind!” Or like “ok I do This!” “Sorry Bust, but Chalice is on 1, u sure?” Usually only during the first or 2nd time of the pod and then everyone gets up to speed, but we found it was a necessary concession to playing with each other using paper cards on SpellTable, we all LOVE our foils and alt arts etc so it’s just way too easy to miss an important Stax piece. In paper IRL play I usually hand out a free “Are you Sure? Peep the board state before you resolve cast that spell homie!” but if players just keep stepping on rakes all game that is on them.
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I managed to sort of stumble into a win in the last Commander game I played. It was an imperfect setup as the combo deck player had to concede early due to external issues, so it was a 3 person pod. One guy was playing a deck that stole cards, I was playing an upgraded Captain N'Gathrod deck and the other guy was playing some deck based around keeping his commander tapped to copy spells. The decks are kinda irrelevant, what matters is that on turn 2 I dropped Mesmeric Orb and for the rest of the game no one got rid of it. It just sat there milling us all, which isn't really gonna do anything most of the time, but it did win me the game. Of the other two players, one had The Locust God and a lot of card draw. He regarded the other player as the bigger threat (which was true, that guy has some of the strongest decks I've seen around here) and so he focused on him while I mostly did nothing but maintain a decent board that kept people from swinging at me. Finally the guy with the stealing deck was about to go off and win the game, he just needed one more turn. So the Locust God guy dropped all his card draw and ended up with 56 insect tokens, which he swung at the other player to kill him. The turn passes to me, I see what is about to happen and do not play the Toxrill I have in hand, then the turn passes to him, he mills something like 75 cards since he has to untap all those insects and loses the game. I did not think I would ever win a game in any format due to mill, it was hilarious. I've had to put my Commander deck building/upgrading on hold to finish out the Boros Burn deck I needed for Modern on Fridays, but I kinda want to build my own deck next. I found a copy of Karona, False God in my collection, I'm thinking of trying to make some kinda janky 5-color chaos mess with her and some goad cards that I like.
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Jul 11, 2022 20:43
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Bust Rodd posted:One thing I’ve always been really grateful for is that during our goon games of cEDH, we basically play with Stax piece training wheels on, it’s the least competetive thing ever lol. Yeah, and that's all cool and good, but when prizes are on the line I'm not about to hold anyone's hand to a win! If you make a mistake, own it and learn from it. When it's our casual games and stuff, it's fine and all to be like "okay but are you SURE you wanna do that".
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Jul 11, 2022 22:11
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syntaxfunction posted:Second, and more seriously, I feel like I'm in a weird position with the game, at least socially. Nah, you're good. Everyone deals with board states that are too much to be aware of every little thing, even if everyone's limit is a bit different. Late-game, cluttered board states are part of the game. I don't think people checking their phone in and of itself is wrong. Context matters, as does how it is done. Most people ITT aren't super serious about EDH and understand that its a social game and that comes with some table talk and attention lapses and all sorts of other baggage. Railing Kill fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jul 11, 2022 |
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Jul 11, 2022 23:13
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Casinos have already created an industry for huge felt-lined card tables with more space than they'll ever need. Thing is, there aren't enough nerds to do better than a plastic folding table thrown up somewhere between the rails of overpriced Warhammer bits in some cheap retail unit. You sit where there's space because that's the table you're given.
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Jul 12, 2022 01:06
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Sitting in a circle is the best orientation, but round tables for gaming are typically too big, putting people too far away from the person across from them. The width of the typical rectangular gaming table is more conducive to magic playmats.
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Jul 12, 2022 17:25
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serefin99 posted:What about Esika, God of the Tree? Early game, she's a mana dork that turns your other legends into mana dorks as well, and late game you can cast her other side and just get free stuff every turn. does that actually count as a rainbow card?
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Jul 13, 2022 06:25
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Jul 13, 2022 06:34
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sole ring: hello, old friend
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Jul 13, 2022 06:51
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Dizz posted:does that actually count as a rainbow card? Double-faced cards count both sides for their color identity, so i.e. Brutal Cathar from Midnight Hunt is Red/White card, because its front side is white while its back side is red. So yes, even though Esika herself is mono-green, she counts as WUBRG because of her Prismatic Bridge side.
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Jul 13, 2022 07:27
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poo poo that's sick. i might take garth out for her and keep garth for a deck that specifically works for him.
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Thinking about going to Bellevue commandfest next weekend, since it's 20 minutes away. Haven't played commander with strangers since pre covid though, so not really sure what average decks at an event like that look like. I usually play Volo https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/12-07-22-volo-guide-to-monsters/?cb=1657745445, it has a lot of very clunky choices but wins enough in my circles that I haven't tried to refine it much more. Kinda worried it's in a weird middle ground where it has a lot of salty cards but isn't strong enough to sit around tables where people wouldn't mind them.
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Jul 13, 2022 22:03
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Lhet posted:Thinking about going to Bellevue commandfest next weekend, since it's 20 minutes away. I don't see a single "salty" card in that list, but out are right: it is far too clunky and slow with no real endgame and it's going to be rough playing in pods with refined decks. If you want help retooling that, we can do that, but I think it's in a weird spot right now where you'll be unhappy with the precon-adjacent crowd and also with the competitive crowd.
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Toshimo posted:I don't see a single "salty" card in that list, but out are right: it is far too clunky and slow with no real endgame and it's going to be rough playing in pods with refined decks. If you want help retooling that, we can do that, but I think it's in a weird spot right now where you'll be unhappy with the precon-adjacent crowd and also with the competitive crowd. Sure, if you have suggestions I'm down. Current endgame is either build up a board getting value off everything and eventually craterhoof off, or get infinite mana off peregrine drake and loop something with an ETB. I know that all the legends are a bit suspect with Volo (maaaybe Fblthp aside), and a lot of the noncreatures just kinda provide a generic value without really synergizing with anything. I'm also thinking about throwing together a Winota build, though that might have a similiar problem if I don't also pick up a bunch of the cedh fast mana... Lhet fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jul 13, 2022 |
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I think I'm getting the hang of this "building decks" thing. I threw some stuff together which sounded fun and when I playtested it my friends pointed out it does more than I thought.quote:Creature Definitely more to tweak but the basic key elements are Neera (obviously), Displacer Kitten and Astral Dragon. Essentially the Kitten being able to flicker both Neera and the Astral Dragon is useful to both search my library for things to throw down, and Astral gets to keep cloning noncreature permanents. Which is this deck there's a lot to clone. The primary targets are Dragon's Hoard if I need card draw, Reflections of Littjara for more copies of dragons that get cast, or alternatively the dang Kitten can get copies, Crucible of Fire because making copies of that for what is basically a Dragon Tribal deck is funny, or Swarm Intelligence, if I just want to cast a shitload of Lightning Bolts at once. The weak point is lack of recursion, and that's because this baby goes full throttle and doesn't let up. I'm gonna either get big things happening quick or I'm crashing and burning quick, ROCK AND ROLL. So yeah, this was assembled from random rear end cards and refined, so I think this is my first "proper" deck that I put thought into. It's very fun. PS: Being able to cast one red instants on someone else's turn and then using Neera to turn it into a Dragon on their turn is very fun, highly recommend.
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Could I get some suggestions for the last 4 cuts along with a mana base review for this Mardu aristocrats deck. Current commander is Alesha who smiles at death. It's a bit of a build from the binder deck with all of the cards over 10$ being ones I already owned. With that in mind I would be willing to put in another 50 cad or so but I think Yawgmoth, thran physician is probably out of the cards.
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MasterBuilder posted:Could I get some suggestions for the last 4 cuts along with a mana base review for this Mardu aristocrats deck. Current commander is Alesha who smiles at death. Not a cut, but do you think Garna, the Bloodflame might make a good addition to the deck?
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Batterypowered7 posted:Not a cut, but do you think Garna, the Bloodflame might make a good addition to the deck? I would say Garna is a bit too situational/expensive and because he has 3 power he can't be searched up by imperial recruiter, trigger mentor of the meek or recurred by alesha. I do have a teferi's protection I could throw in to protect from boardwipes. The haste is nice but since the sac outlets don't require tapping it's less relevant than if I was running priest of the forgotten gods. MasterBuilder fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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MasterBuilder posted:Could I get some suggestions for the last 4 cuts along with a mana base review for this Mardu aristocrats deck. Current commander is Alesha who smiles at death. Do you own a Welcoming Vampire? It'd probably fit right in. Also, I think Blood Soaked Champion is better than Gutterbones. You want to attack with Alesha anyway and Champion puts himself onto the board instead of in your hand.
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MasterBuilder posted:Could I get some suggestions for the last 4 cuts along with a mana base review for this Mardu aristocrats deck. Current commander is Alesha who smiles at death. With only around 40 mana sources, I think you should be cutting from the top of your curve. I'd drop these 4: Orcus Young Necromancer Greed Zariel
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MasterBuilder posted:Could I get some suggestions for the last 4 cuts along with a mana base review for this Mardu aristocrats deck. Current commander is Alesha who smiles at death. As just some overall suggestions:
Here's an example: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/mqbw1CIR7E-_HHWVLVvAkQ
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Thanks all. I'll take a look through this and see what I can swing. In the back of my mind I know the right thing to build out a solid mana base but it feels so much like vegetables.
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Anybody have a fun Pako list they can share? I know this good boy gets played alot in casual groups and he does look fun.
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Quick question - would Mindlink Mech becoming a copy of Astral Dragon trigger its ETB? I'm guessing no because it's not technically entering the battlefield?
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Johnny Truant posted:Quick question - would Mindlink Mech becoming a copy of Astral Dragon trigger its ETB? I'm guessing no because it's not technically entering the battlefield? No. It does not ETB.
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Johnny Truant posted:Quick question - would Mindlink Mech becoming a copy of Astral Dragon trigger its ETB? I'm guessing no because it's not technically entering the battlefield? The only time a permanent entering the battlefield would trigger the ETB effect of another one that it is copying is when it would ETB as a copy of that permanent. I.e. Dack's Duplicate entering the battlefield as a copy of Astral Dragon would trigger Astral Dragon's ETB. Mindlink Mech is already on the battlefield as it becomes a copy, thus it does not enter.
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That's what I thought, thanks for confirming!
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Wording is extremely important, like how a creature that enters the battlefield tapped and attacking has never actually attacked. It's a subtle difference but it's very crucial.
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Heath posted:Wording is extremely important, like how a creature that enters the battlefield tapped and attacking has never actually attacked. It's a subtle difference but it's very crucial.  I second guess myself on p much everything, so all the thread's classifications are very helpful! I'm putting the finishing touches on my Rowan/Will Kenrith goad deck, and realized that with Astral Dragon + Cursed Mirror I can make infinite dragons! Looking for maybe one more situational combo piece like that, and when I spied Mindlink Mech's wording I wanted to see if I could get another infinite dragon piece together 
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Johnny Truant posted:
Liitjara reflection will create two Astral dragons from one cast which will give you infinite dragons. Miirym will give you infinite dragons, basically anything that makes a token copy of the astral dragon itself will give you infinite astral dragons in addition to any clone creature that ETBs as a copy.
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I see a lot of people trying to make Astral Dragon work nowadays, and I appreciate that, but the most important consideration for it is that you don't want to ever have to spend 8 mana for it. Even with a few discounts, 5 is probably too much. You want to be pairing it with black or red or green to be dropping it for 1-3 mana. That leaves you the space to combo with a Dance of The Many or something, for instance, to go off, because no reasonable table is going to let you untap with that.
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Kurieg posted:Liitjara reflection will create two Astral dragons from one cast which will give you infinite dragons. Miirym will give you infinite dragons, basically anything that makes a token copy of the astral dragon itself will give you infinite astral dragons in addition to any clone creature that ETBs as a copy. I don't think any of this is correct as you have posted it.
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Toshimo posted:I don't think any of this is correct as you have posted it. Ah, 'cause Astral Dragon makes copies of non-creature permanents, so there's no way to copy it unless you turn one into a vehicle or something.
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Toshimo posted:I see a lot of people trying to make Astral Dragon work nowadays, and I appreciate that, but the most important consideration for it is that you don't want to ever have to spend 8 mana for it. Even with a few discounts, 5 is probably too much. You want to be pairing it with black or red or green to be dropping it for 1-3 mana. That leaves you the space to combo with a Dance of The Many or something, for instance, to go off, because no reasonable table is going to let you untap with that. Yeah the goal would be to cheat the dragon out for sure, I have a couple ways to do that. Rowan/Will are izzet, so Dance of Many sounds perfect actually, thanks for that namedrop! Batterypowered7 posted:Ah, 'cause Astral Dragon makes copies of non-creature permanents, so there's no way to copy it unless you turn one into a vehicle or something. Yup, that's why Cursed Mirror was my first thought for duplication!
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Astral Dragon is a key player in my Neera deck, which is a Dragon Tribal, but that's because Neera lets me avoid the high cost essentially. Neera is a great Commander for high cost decks as you can essentially recycle low cost spells into the library (not even discarded, the value!) while grabbing something much higher. Reflections of Littjara also specifies when a creature spell is cast, so getting Astral Dragon out will give you two copies, not infinite, because the copies are created, not cast. I was a little sad when I read the rulings on that but it's also extremely fair. Astral Dragon is a fantastic value machine, but I specifically built my deck to not require it, because if it ends up in my hand the only way to cast it is gonna be to have that six mana, and that's a high price. Edit: altho because it's also a bounce and flicker deck Astral can copy the Reflections, and re-enter, which means the four copies that are mimicking Reflections now make five copies of Astral. Then it's getting pretty hectic.
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@Bust Do you have an un-nerfed list handy for your mutate deck?
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Everyone's favorite PBS-like MTG content from Canada has a show playing perfectly Canadian chill precon commander games, Loading Ready Run! https://youtu.be/Pf3h9dvs1IU Also Graham has the cancer and now looks like Walter White. 
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Jiro posted:Everyone's favorite PBS-like MTG content from Canada has a show playing perfectly Canadian chill precon commander games, Love those Canadian folks. And at least based on the bit Graham did at the start of that one Loading Ready Live, it sounds like the cancer is very treatable. Fingers crossed.
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Finally getting around to updating my Teysa deck as this was one of my first I built and is probably 8 years old now and wouldn't mind another set of eyes on it. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/-05n2gxeFkKuTkM8wzy3kA Pretty simple get out Teysa, Darkest Hour/Painter Servant and a Sac outlet to go infinte. Could use any suggestions or better combos/disruption.
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