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I played through all of the games in Origins without too many issues. It's far from perfect and I wish they had more time with it. But from what I can tell it's not nearly as big of a mess as Colours HD was. galagazombie posted:Wait they replaced 3&Ks soundtrack? Aka one of the best soundtracks of all time? That soundtrack? If that’s the case I can 100% say origins is not worth a penny. Also the aforementioned invincibility theme for some reason.
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Oxyclean posted:I played through all of the games in Origins without too many issues. It's far from perfect and I wish they had more time with it. But from what I can tell it's not nearly as big of a mess as Colours HD was. Yeah I haven’t experienced any particularly gamebreaking glitches in Origins to be fair, just a few minor annoyances at best
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Jul 16, 2022 17:05
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I have not even noticed the minor issues honestly.
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Jul 16, 2022 17:47
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The glitches seem to be wildly overblown. I've played through each 3 times so far & haven't many issues. The Tails AI glitch in 2 is unbearable though, hope they fix it soon.
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Jul 16, 2022 18:25
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yeah tails' ai in 2 was the only thing i really noticed. and of the replaced music, the only real loss is ice cap didn't have any problems with colors ultimate either
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Jul 16, 2022 18:36
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The Wii VC version and the GameCube mega collection both had the original music not sure where this they lost the rights immediately came from
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Jul 16, 2022 18:38
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Palmtree Panic posted:The glitches seem to be wildly overblown. I've played through each 3 times so far & haven't many issues. The Tails AI glitch in 2 is unbearable though, hope they fix it soon. You could always just play as Sonic or Tails alone (though I believe in Story Mode you don’t have that particular option)
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Jul 16, 2022 18:39
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i played as knuckles and tails for the novelty but all it really accomplished was making the special stages harder lol
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hatty posted:The Wii VC version and the GameCube mega collection both had the original music not sure where this they lost the rights immediately came from Yeah it only became an issue a bit after the time of the standalone steam release, which iirc was the last one prior to origins. It's unknown why but safe to say it's somebody being a pain about royalties or sega just not wanting to deal with any of that after already having to do so with sonic 1 music and such.
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Jul 16, 2022 18:49
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The prototype Carnival Night and Launch Base have already supplanted the Jackson tracks in my mind. Ice Cap not so much but I'm sure it'll get there
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Jul 16, 2022 19:08
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Motto posted:Yeah it only became an issue a bit after the time of the standalone steam release, which iirc was the last one prior to origins. It's unknown why but safe to say it's somebody being a pain about royalties or sega just not wanting to deal with any of that after already having to do so with sonic 1 music and such. The best theory I've heard is that it was in the past 10 years that YouTubers and sonic fans started actually getting in contact with people like Brad Buxer and Scirocco Jones and other composers who had forgotten the affair entirely, thereby sort of rousing the beast. DoctorWhat fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jul 16, 2022 |
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Jul 16, 2022 19:14
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hatty posted:The Wii VC version and the GameCube mega collection both had the original music not sure where this they lost the rights immediately came from The rule seemed to be that directly emulated was kosher, I think?
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Jul 16, 2022 19:18
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Yeah, honestly the only major glitch I've encountered is the Tails' AI glitch, but it's bad enough to affect my enjoyment of the game as a whole. While I can obviously just play as Sonic or Tails alone, I still like having a little buddy following along behind me. The swapped music sucks, but I bought the Steam version and there's already a mod to restore the original tracks so I don't mind. I think players in general make way too much fuss about glitches in games. While I understand the sentiment from a consumer protection perspective (Game companies should really be doing proper QA before pushing a product out the door) it just feels like way too many people work on this binary of the game is either completely finished and polished upon release, or its a buggy, unplayable mess that's a personal affront to them personally.
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Dabir posted:The prototype Carnival Night and Launch Base have already supplanted the Jackson tracks in my mind. Ice Cap not so much but I'm sure it'll get there I liked the prototype Launch Base more than the Jackson one even back when those were just the weird PC Port midis, it's honestly a great pair of tracks. And all three are better for actually having an Act 2 theme rather than just repeating the Act 1 music with some audio tracks muted.
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MikeJF posted:The rule seemed to be that directly emulated was kosher, I think? I think the only reason the PC port had different music was because of the difficulty of getting the sample-heavy MJ tracks to work on SoundBlaster cards, not legal issues.
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Palmtree Panic posted:The glitches seem to be wildly overblown. I've played through each 3 times so far & haven't many issues. The Tails AI glitch in 2 is unbearable though, hope they fix it soon. I played it on steam, and I had most of the reported stuff happen in one playthrough of the story mode. Tails isn't even that bad. He's just a little more jumpy than he was in the originals. And that's easy enough to ignore. But stuff like losing 13 emeralds after an act 1 boss is kind of unforgivable.
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Hrist posted:I played it on steam, and I had most of the reported stuff happen in one playthrough of the story mode. Tails isn't even that bad. He's just a little more jumpy than he was in the originals. And that's easy enough to ignore. But stuff like losing 13 emeralds after an act 1 boss is kind of unforgivable. Yeah, the chaos emerald thing seems like the worst glitch I’ve heard about so far
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Larryb posted:Ah yeah, I remember hearing that now (though it does make me wonder what the transition from Mushroom Hill to Sandopolis would have been) In the level plan sketches you can unlock in Origins, you enter a big tree in Mushroom Hill and come out of it in Sandopolis for some reason. But those sketches are extremely early ideas for the levels from before Knuckles even had a name, and have some unused stuff like the Flying Battery boss being fought while sliding down a mountain in Icecap Zone rather than having the snowboard transition.
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DoctorWhat posted:The best theory I've heard is that it was in the past 10 years that YouTubers and sonic fans started actually getting in contact with people like Brad Buxer and Scirocco Jones and other composers who had forgotten the affair entirely, thereby sort of rousing the beast. The other theory I've seen is that after Jackson passed his estate got real protective/litigious over his works - which lines up with S3 ports ceasing to come out shortly after his death. I know it's been said that Jackson himself didn't write anything for the game but some of the melodies/chord progressions got reworked into MJ songs later by Buxer and co so there's probably some weird legal calvinball going on.
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Oxyclean posted:Carnival Night, Ice Cap and Launch Base. And I think one of the competition menu tracks? Not the whole thing. You can mod them back in on PC fairly easily. if only they bothered replacing carnival night itself while they were at it
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:if only they bothered replacing carnival night itself while they were at it How long have you been stuck on that barrel
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i never got stuck on the barrel, i just really really hate the bouncy sonic levels. they are aggressively unfun and bad, the lack of control you have over your character is just hot fuckin garbage. spring yard is the worst zone in sonic 1 by far, carnival night is the worst zone in sonic 3 by far, and wacky workbench is the worst level in any game ever made. casino night only gets a pass because of the slot machines.
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:spring yard is the worst zone in sonic 1 by far no way
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Casino night is my least favorite of that list, if only because I spend the entire level timer playing slot machines and getting progressively angrier every time I roll triple robotnik
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also spring yard isn't even in the top 3 worst levels in sonic 1
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imagine picking an odd-numbered zone in Sonic 1 as your least favorite one. pure insanity
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Marble Zone is the worst Sonic 1 zone. The Tails/Knuckles route in Act 3 makes it much more tolerable these days though.
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marble zone is worse in terms of where it is in the level line-up and maybe more damaging to the game's overall quality as it drives the momentum to a total halt both literally and figuratively, and i think they were absolutely out of their mind putting that boring slog as the second zone in the game, but i'd still rather be bored in marble (or labyrinth) than irritated in spring yard.
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Marble Zone is boring, Spring Yard has kind of a poo poo boss but is otherwise unremarkable and also has the weird COPE messages everywhere, Labyrinth Zone is actively unenjoyable to play through and if you aren't aware of the SBZ3 skip you have to do a fourth act of it.
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The worst levels in Sonic 1 are all of them except Green Hill and Spring Yard. Well, Star Light is ok I guess.
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Star Light has chill vibes
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Relyssa posted:also spring yard isn't even in the top 3 worst levels in sonic 1 Heck, Spring Yard's probably the third best level in the game! Only Starlight and Green Hill have it beat.
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Scrap Brain Act 1 and 2 are pretty fun I think
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:i never got stuck on the barrel, i just really really hate the bouncy sonic levels. they are aggressively unfun and bad, the lack of control you have over your character is just hot fuckin garbage. spring yard is the worst zone in sonic 1 by far, carnival night is the worst zone in sonic 3 by far, and wacky workbench is the worst level in any game ever made. 
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Well, introducing my daughter to the Genesis sonic games has gone poorly, I did it with a controller + the Sonic 2 iOS port on iPad and we ran into a nasty bug. The platforms on wing fortress just.... don't spawn or move or do anything. It's a dead end where the only option is death. I've found some people griping about it, but not much talk about it being a bug. This is pretty close to what I'm seeing: https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheHedgehog/comments/raaqi4/i_hate_the_wing_fortress_platforms_it_feels_like/ These platforms should open one after the other, right?
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Has there ever been an explanation or even theory on those COPE messages? My best guess is a poor dictionary translation of like, "don't give up".
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I thought I heard it was a reference to some electronic component or arcade board or something, like MIPS the rabbit in Mario 64. That's probably total bullshit though
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yup, you hate to see it
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