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BIG HEADLINE posted:As I recall, that horrible thing was being developed for E-4 and E-6 pilots to wear during times when there was a very real possibility of canned sunshine getting opened, and they spent god knows how much only to settle on "why don't they just wear an eyepatch and fly with one eye each after throwing the blast curtain?" Because there’s more than one nuke coming? Those things appear to be more generally deployed now to the B-52 and B-2 fleets.
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hobbesmaster posted:Because there’s more than one nuke coming? Nah, the eyepatch just buys them the ability to draw the curtain and be still sighted after the first blast. But you are right that BUFF and B-2 crews are at leats familiarized on the plizzits: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/7975/this-is-what-usaf-bomber-pilots-would-wear-during-a-nuclear-apocalypse
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hobbesmaster posted:My too much airplane knowledge train of thought went: This is a travesty Pontoons instead of a flying boat
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Not regular flare, old school flash photography flare. When you go over at 400 knots the exposure time goes down and the necessary amount of light go... up Not sure if this is a new one=, I've never seen a close-up of the landing before in any case: https://i.imgur.com/fbgnd48.mp4
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Nebakenezzer posted:This is a travesty Lockheed even designed a normal looking amphibious C-130! 
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mobby_6kl posted:Ooooh that sort of flare. Makes sense, though I never thought about they would be needed Oy! You can't park there mate Also why the hell isn't that guy going over there to see if he can give him a hand? More important to film for the clicks I guess. :/
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Nebakenezzer posted:This is a travesty Bring back the P6M.
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slidebite posted:Oy! You can't park there mate A hand doing what? He's fine and walking around. A random passerby isn't going to be able to remove the airplane or catch it on the way down.
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On my cell it looked like he was struggling to get out - guess he wasn't. I'd still be going over and see if he looks OK as opposed to standing there filming him from 40 ' away. Shock/adrenaline is a hell of a thing in the immediate aftermath although I'd like to think he did after it cuts off.
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Cat Hatter posted:A hand doing what? He's fine and walking around. A random passerby isn't going to be able to remove the airplane or catch it on the way down. Just going over to check if he was ok? Who knows if he was actually fine second after it happened.
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LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:Huh, wouldn't any flash have to be pretty much as bright as the sun to have any kind of effect illuminating the subject from even low altitude? WWII photo reconnaisance planes used flashes that were full‐on bombs, loaded with flash powder rather than high explosives.  There were also colossal electronic flashes that were impressive and historically significant, but those don’t elicit quite the excitement.
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mobby_6kl posted:"RF-4B-27-MC (photo reconnaissance model) was lost on October 27, 1987, during a Cope Thunder exercise in Zambales, Philippines when a photo-flare cartridge failed to eject and exploded in the rear-fuselage flare dispenser, causing a major fire and rendering the aircraft uncontrollable." As the watermark hints this was released by the What You Haven't Seen youtube channel, which has many other mishap videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0PDGaPvVYA
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BonoMan posted:Just going over to check if he was ok? Who knows if he was actually fine second after it happened. Like walking towards the crash as soon as the plane lands but staying on your side of the road until you're closer to minimize the time you spend crossing the street, stopping for a second once you see the pilot getting out, and then shutting off the camera right after? You guys are acting like the pilot is screaming for help or unconscious and some guy is just filming him bleed to death going 
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Cat Hatter posted:Like walking towards the crash as soon as the plane lands but staying on your side of the road until you're closer to minimize the time you spend crossing the street, stopping for a second once you see the pilot getting out, and then shutting off the camera right after? Actually nobody is saying that. I’ve just seen enough accidents (and been in one horrific one) to know that the people that aren’t immediately rushing that way are likely not going to be helping at any point. I think you’re analysis is pretty funny though. “Staying on your side of the road until you’re closer to minimize the time you spend crossing the street” lol. That’s a helluva justification for “just wasn’t interested in helping” It’s the tik tok age and dude was just getting what he thought was good video and not real interested in helping. I mean yeah he appears to be somewhat ok (although he sounds distressed and looks shaken up), but I don’t even hear the video guy even ask how he is? BonoMan fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Jul 17, 2022 |
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Have you tried not assuming the worst of people and complaining about "kids these days"?
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Cat Hatter posted:Have you tried not assuming the worst of people and complaining about "kids these days"? No because I'm basing it on experience. Both being in wrecks and witnessing them... Most people just gawk and don't offer any help. Most people's reactions to a sudden event these days is to grab their phone and film it. That's hardly an old man yelling at clouds observation. Edit: literally when I was in a bad wreck and crawled out of a window in a flipped over car it was 50 people gawking/taking pictures just *standing* there and one single solitary dude who left his car ten cars back (we were at an intersection) busting rear end over to me to help me out and make sure I was ok. BonoMan fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Jul 17, 2022 |
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untrained persons are often a detriment and the best thing they can do is call emergency services and stay out of the way the bystander effect is certainly a very well researched thing at this point, but making judgments on that video clip is stupid and you should feel bad `Nemesis fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Jul 17, 2022 |
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Humphreys posted:Looks like they have to call in some specialist lifting gear to get this bogged fella out. Do note we have had a LOT of torrential rain prior to this so RIP. Is it terrible that my first thought at seeing this was, "Why call in specialist lifting gear? You can scrap that MD-80 right there with very little issue. Why bother pulling it out of the mud hole first?"
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BuckT.Trend posted:scrap that MD-80 right there someone at Delta just shed a single tear and doesn't know why
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BuckT.Trend posted:Is it terrible that my first thought at seeing this was, "Why call in specialist lifting gear? You can scrap that MD-80 right there with very little issue. Why bother pulling it out of the mud hole first?" Ahhem, that is very clearly a 717. You can call it a DC-9 or an MD-95 but MD-80 is just wrong!!
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BuckT.Trend posted:Is it terrible that my first thought at seeing this was, "Why call in specialist lifting gear? You can scrap that MD-80 right there with very little issue. Why bother pulling it out of the mud hole first?" A mate of mine was trolling them saying with all the P Platers with jacked up Nissan Patrols in the area - surely a few snatch straps and rum cans should sort it out.
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There’s an An-12 down in Greece. https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20220716-0 According to the BBC it may have been carrying something toxic or dangerous and the authorities aren’t approaching it.
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monkeytennis posted:There’s an An-12 down in Greece. It was Ukrainian company carrying ammunition from Serbia to Bangladesh. Not the crash site you want to approach without serious precautions.
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BonoMan posted:No because I'm basing it on experience. Both being in wrecks and witnessing them... Most people just gawk and don't offer any help. Is there some kind of training for normal people to deal with a situation like this? When I've seen things happen I've always felt like if I get involved I'll just make the situation worse, especially if it's on an active freeway and my stopping means another rando wandering around in 80mph traffic. Or if the situation was caused by someone in some kind of chemical distress and I'm not really equipped to deal with someone in those circumstances. As others have said bystanders can interfere with professional responses. But I still would like to be able to provide something to people who are in a bad situation, even if it's just the cliche of 'hang in there'.
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7of7 posted:Is there some kind of training for normal people to deal with a situation like this? When I've seen things happen I've always felt like if I get involved I'll just make the situation worse, especially if it's on an active freeway and my stopping means another rando wandering around in 80mph traffic. Or if the situation was caused by someone in some kind of chemical distress and I'm not really equipped to deal with someone in those circumstances. As others have said bystanders can interfere with professional responses. But I still would like to be able to provide something to people who are in a bad situation, even if it's just the cliche of 'hang in there'. Honestly not sure. I mean other than like professional EMT/EMS training. I’ve just tried to not overstep my bounds. Like, I’m not going to try to get someone a trach or do anything I’m not equipped to. I’ve witnessed two big wrecks in the past few years (not including my own). One was a car getting t-boned and flipping over onto its side. Very busy morning traffic. Both lanes (it was a semi-rural two lane highway that commuters use as a shortcut) had stopped. I got out and was first to the car where there was a woman inside asking for helping getting out. I opened the door (which took me a bit… opening a door of a vehicle on its side is … not easy! It was an SUV and so it was tall) and asked if there was anybody else in there and she said no. I asked if she was hurt. Generic question but they can at least give you a “I can’t move my legs” or something like that response. She said she was ok and just wanted to get out. At that point somebody much stronger arrived by me and helped me lift her out. Cops came and we gave statements and moved on. Second was a *bad* collision in a busy intersection. One car tried to beat the light. Truck on the opposite side that was turning tried to beat the light too. Only he was towing a steel trailer (a makeshift thing that was like a conex cut in half) and the woman t-boned it. Traffic stopped all way. And a few of us got out and ran to the car. She was actually hurt so I didn’t do anything except try to keep her calm and luckily a nurse bystander came by a few seconds later. Then one time at a festival an older couple were leaving and all of a sudden the woman started yelling for help - her husband was collapsing (spoiler he was just dehydrated) - a few of us rushed over and just helped him ease to the ground (hold his head off the concrete, etc) until the paramedics got there super shortly. Anyway those are my stories! Oddly I bought a dashcam because I kept witnessing wrecks and then, naturally, haven’t seen one in the years since I bought it.
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Basic bitch workplace CPR training starts with teaching you to assess a situation for ongoing hazards -> approach and check casualties -> recruit other bystanders to call for aid and fetch supplies -> perform first aid Source: years of loudly exclaiming “the scene is safe!! You, call 911! You, get the AED!” just prior to starting compressions on a dummy
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HookedOnChthonics posted:Basic bitch workplace CPR training starts with teaching you to assess a situation for ongoing hazards -> approach and check casualties -> recruit other bystanders to call for aid and fetch supplies -> perform first aid The very first thing they teach you in EMS is "SCENE SAFE! BSI! (body substance isolation/gloves mask and glasses)". There are some circumstances where it's appropriate to help and some where it isn't. In that guy's case, I would see no harm in calling up to the pilot, "hey, you ok? do you need help?" You don't have to go hands-on to be helpful. On the flip side, I've responded to rollovers on the interstate nearby where the dispatch notes say a bunch of people have stopped and are trying to flip the car back over. poo poo like that is a good way to turn a basic accident into a mass casualty situation. Honestly, if you want to help, take an AHA first aid/CPR class, call 911, and ask if they are ok and go from there. If they can self extricate they will, and if they can't and there are no life threats, waiting for Fire/EMS is the best bet.
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HookedOnChthonics posted:Basic bitch workplace CPR training starts with teaching you to assess a situation for ongoing hazards -> approach and check casualties -> recruit other bystanders to call for aid and fetch supplies -> perform first aid I'm having flashbacks to first-responder and lifeguard training now. I'm just saying, I'd rather have someone film my airplane crash than muttering "dentists gonna dent" and walking away trying not to make eye contact...or getting splattered blindly running into the street and now I need to wait for the second ambulance. On the subject of aeronautical bystander effect, my mother was once on a commercial airliner where someone had a heart attack. As soon as they asked if there was a doctor onboard, her husband shot his hand into the air and volunteered that my mom was a nurse (for women who have recently had children). Seemingly half an hour later (probably much less) someone volunteered to help her give CPR. A trauma surgeon who hadn't volunteered earlier.
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Hollywood has also trained the public to think a crashed plane will explode like a bomb (and in some cases it might!)
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There’s actually a big ethical dilemma if you’re a physician downing your free booze in first class and someone asks for help. My dad said that he was once on a long international business class flight he was sitting next to a physician. There was champagne at the seats. When the purser came around with the print out greeting everyone by name and asking for their drink order they asked “dr so and so, may we wake you if there is a medical emergency during the flight” and the physician stared at his now empty champagne flute for a solid 5 count before answering (I believe it was yes, but anyways, I had never thought about that issue).
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I'm about a month into A&P school and I'm having a blast. Being a 50-year-old in a classroom of 20-somethings is odd.
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PhotoKirk posted:I'm about a month into A&P school and I'm having a blast. Being a 50-year-old in a classroom of 20-somethings is odd. Just because you're old and experienced, don't think you have all the answers. Just because they're young, don't let them think you don't. That's the tl;dr of my A&P training. Everyone brings something to the job. At the end of the day, if you're fully comfortable signing your name to a repair with the expectation that the next time that signature will be looked at is in a court after an incident and you can face the courtroom and say "I did my job properly" then that is literally everything you need to be a good mechanic.
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Aaaaaaarrrrrggggg posted:The very first thing they teach you in EMS is "SCENE SAFE! BSI! (body substance isolation/gloves mask and glasses)". Is there a term for whatever the opposite of bystander syndrome is? Back when I worked retail a guy came in yelling "THERE'S A CAR ON FIRE!", rips the fire extinguisher bracket off the wall instead of flipping the clasp open, and dramatically kicks the sliding door off the track to run out into the parking lot. This guy had been waiting his whole life for this moment. Funny thing is that it helped though. Not the fire extinguisher: it was a tiny alternator fire but it's hard to put out an electrical fire still being fed with power, but his commotion attracted the attention of the car's owner who popped the hood and pulled the battery cable off.
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Cat Hatter posted:Is there a term for whatever the opposite of bystander syndrome is? Back when I worked retail a guy came in yelling "THERE'S A CAR ON FIRE!", rips the fire extinguisher bracket off the wall instead of flipping the clasp open, and dramatically kicks the sliding door off the track to run out into the parking lot. This guy had been waiting his whole life for this moment. Hero Complex, perhaps?
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Zero One posted:https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1548981007243788293?s=21&t=9CzV2cds3ofJi_h2PqYjuA SYD-MGQ
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They forgot to set the flight controls to northern hemisphere when they crossed the equator.
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Cat Hatter posted:Is there a term for whatever the opposite of bystander syndrome is? Back when I worked retail a guy came in yelling "THERE'S A CAR ON FIRE!", rips the fire extinguisher bracket off the wall instead of flipping the clasp open, and dramatically kicks the sliding door off the track to run out into the parking lot. This guy had been waiting his whole life for this moment. Computer, generate Michael Scott hears about a fire .mpg
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mobby_6kl posted:I see a lot of future content from stunts like this I’d be no where near that thing flying around at eye level. Hope his paintball gear protected him.
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