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Funktastic
Jul 23, 2013

AITA for expecting my girlfriend to pay for her stay at my family's cabin?

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My grandparents own a big old cabin where every generation after them have enjoyed annual family vacations. Due to the cabin's age, there is constant maintenance that needs to be done. Every time we've replaced, fixed or repaired something, there is another thing that needs fixing. We also started slowly renovating the cabin as the interior has become quite dated as well. These costs have become too much for my grandparents to handle alone, especially since their age means they can't do much of the work themselves, and they need to hire professionals instead. This has caused them to implement a fee system. The rule is as folllows; every person from the age of 20 years old need to pay an annual fee to be allowed to stay at the cabin. The size of the fee varies as it is calculated according to how many people plan on using the cabin, and how big the upkeep costs were the previous year. I've happily paid this fee ever since the rule was implemented, and so have my parents, aunts, uncles and cousins.

Every summer, my extended family tries to find a weekend during the summer where most of our vacations overlap so that we can all meet at the cabin and catch up. I decided to invite my girlfriend along as I want to introduce her to this tradition, as she is someone I'm imagining spending many future summers at the cabin with. She was ecstatic about the idea of meeting my extended family and going to the cabin, as she's very curious about it after hearing me talk about it a lot. Naturally, I sat her down and told her about the rule and how she needed to pay, as everyone else paid, and it was only fair for her to do so as well since she would be using the cabin when coming with me this year. This year's fee is around $200-400 (depending on how many people use the cabin) due to a big roof leak and some pretty substantial water damage. The idea of paying this fee really upset her and we had a big argument where she concluded with saying she would make other plans without me this summer.

The rule is very simple and made completely fair on everyone, I don't understand why she thinks she should be exempt from it. My brother told me I should just pay her fee for her as my extended family really would like to meet her, but I really don't think that's fair for me to pay double the fee when she's completely capable of paying it herself. AITA?



Edit: The cabin is not leaky anymore. All the damages were fixed this spring. My uncle handles the finances for this and usually pays for everything before calculating the individual costs at the end of the year.

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Involuntary Sparkle
Aug 12, 2004

Chemo-kitties can have “accidents” too!

Evil Willow posted:


tw on adding links


What about including the URL but removing the hyperlink so it has to be c&p? That way the post is easier to find but there isn't a track back to SA.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Funktastic posted:

AITA for expecting my girlfriend to pay for her stay at my family's cabin?

Just imagining OP telling their girlfriend, "Listen, my roommates and I all pay rent on our apartment, so it's a rule that everyone who sleeps here needs to pay rent, so if you spend the night with me you'll need to pay some of the rent too. Also, that dinner we had earlier? Those groceries didn't buy themselves, so can you venmo me four bucks?"

edit: actually, since this year's fee is apparently way higher than normal, it's even worse than that. "Hey, listen, I know you want to spend the night, but me and my roommates just bought a new fridge today, so today's apartment expenses happen to be way higher than usual and you'll need to pay a big chunk of them for your time in the apartment today."

Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Jul 17, 2022

Sinbad's Sex Tape
Mar 21, 2004
Stuck in a giant clam

Funktastic posted:

AITA for expecting my girlfriend to pay for her stay at my family's cabin?

This even sounds like a bad deal for the family that uses it plus we all know the uncle is pocketing the cash

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Sinbad's Sex Tape posted:

This even sounds like a bad deal for the family that uses it plus we all know the uncle is pocketing the cash

Hmm, if it's a big cabin (apparently big enough to host the extended family) and has been neglected for a while then $200-400 per family member is a pretty decent deal. Also if the Uncle is varying the fee every year and calculating how to divy up the costs based on usage then it's actually less likely that he's pocketing the cash because if it were the amount on the collection plate would be suspiciously stable.

deety
Aug 2, 2004

zombies + sharks = fun

It sounds like they're spitting the fee per adult, but unless that cabin is bigger than most, some of those folks paying an equal share will end up sleeping on couches or in open loft spaces with little privacy when the grandparents, aunts & uncles, and cousins are all there.

If everyone involved is ok with spending thousands of dollars per branch of the family to maintain and update someone else's old cabin, then fine. It may even be worth it if they go often enough every summer and can go outside of the big group get-togethers. But lol at the idea of expecting a one-time guest to pay the full yearly fee. If they break up right after the trip would she get a partial refund? Or the right to visit on her own for the rest of the year since she paid her fee?

I also hope they all have a very clear understanding of what happens to the property down the road. Because it's either going to end up split a million ways and force some future generation to buy one another out or they're all paying upkeep on a property that's going to one person who may or may not still let everyone visit.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

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If you're inviting someone to be your guest it's rude to expect them to pay. If they had decided to get an air b&b together that would be different, but this is his family's cabin and he invited her. If the extended family wants money for her as well then he should expect to pay for her, or plan to skip going this year and save for doing it next year. As it is he's saying "I'd like to spend time with you this summer, but only if you pay my family for upkeep on our property."

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deety posted:

I also hope they all have a very clear understanding of what happens to the property down the road. Because it's either going to end up split a million ways and force some future generation to buy one another out or they're all paying upkeep on a property that's going to one person who may or may not still let everyone visit.

That's a good point, I have a feeling the uncle that handles maintenance will also be the executor of the estate and will end up inheriting the cabin.

Baron von Eevl fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jul 17, 2022

Bonster
Mar 3, 2007

Keep rolling, rolling
It could be put into a family trust with the uncle as a property manager. It isn't necessarily going to be one person's property.

boofhead
Feb 18, 2021

Am I misteading that or did he really try to charge her the full yearly rate as thought she had just as much access to it as anybody else in the family? Unless their share only nets them one weekend a year and they're still shelling out $400 for that, which is still deceptive because she has no implied right to access/ownership whereas the others are just paying upkeep on an asset

Either way, all round, terrible

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



boofhead posted:

Am I misteading that or did he really try to charge her the full yearly rate as thought she had just as much access to it as anybody else in the family? Unless their share only nets them one weekend a year and they're still shelling out $400 for that, which is still deceptive because she has no implied right to access/ownership whereas the others are just paying upkeep on an asset

Either way, all round, terrible

Yeah, I was gonna question why there wasn't precedent for an introductory visit for a new SO until I reread it and noted that they apparently just do charge everyone that, the expectation was just for OP to pay the second full fee.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
Sounds like a good scam for everyone in the family to invite a dozen guests each every few months.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Bruceski posted:

I think both Pride and Prejudice and Wuthering Heights are done wrong by other adaptations that portray them as non-satirical.
Wuthering Heights isn't a satire; Emily Brontë was just that extra.

e:f,b

AITA for not wanting my potential future child to learn 3 languages when my other kids only know 1?

quote:

I am from California, but I am an expat and have been living in Germany for the past 15 years. I am male, 35. I have 2 kids from my first marriage, f15 and m10. They live with their mother in California. I don’t have full custody and they visit me for summer.

I have a girlfriend, Lena, 32, and we’ve been together for a few years. She’s also an immigrant from another country. We have been talking potential future children and she said that she would want to teach them 3 languages from the very beginning, that it would be beneficial for them, etc.

I asked how she wanted to do it and she said that I would speak to the child in English, she would speak to the child in her native tongue and the child would pick up German from surroundings, kindergarten, babysitter, etc.

I told her it’s a ridiculous plan and it would just confuse the child and she argued that on the contrary, stability is key hence one parent, one language. Apparently, it’s a known method.

I told her that it’s not something I would be comfortable with because it’s confusing for a child, it’s a lot of effort, the child would speak languages I don’t understand (I admit, I don’t speak German nor my wife’s native language) and that the child would have harder time bonding with their half-sibling. That it would be unfair to my other kids who only speak one language and they would feel excluded when they come over because the house would have too many languages for them to feel comfortable.

She asked me if I was being serious about all of this and I told her that of course I was. And she did something that I didn’t expect she would do, she told me that she should’ve known better when I told her I haven’t learned German and she should have expected that. She said she needed time to think and went to her apartment.

I am only trying to think of all my kids and I don’t think that I did anything wrong here, I genuinely thought I was right but her reaction took me by surprise and I don’t know anymore. Am I really an rear end in a top hat for not wanting my potential child to learn more than one language.

Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jul 17, 2022

trickybiscuits
Jan 13, 2008

yospos

Admiralty Flag posted:

"She got incredibly offended at a simple question and blew up at me."

10:1 odds that the simple question was "Aren't you doing [infant care activity] wrong?"

Describing anything as "a simple question" or "just a Facebook post" or saying you want to hit someone with a shovel and sending them a dollhouse shovel with a note that you can't believe they were so upset about a little shovel is a dead giveaway that you're a piece of poo poo.

ChickenDoodle posted:

I’ve read “Pride / Prejudice” where everyone got gay with each other and it was infinitely more entertaining.

“Pride & Prejudice + Zombies” is also a really stupid, but very fun movie.

The only good thing from the original material is Colin Firth in a see through wet shirt. :colbert:

I've wanted to write a porn version of Pride and Prejudice for a while but so far all I have is something about a man in possession of a large wang.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Magnificent comment to the guy who hates foreign languages:

quote:

Because that alone is a reason not to have kids with you. You could be massively rich, attractive and have three penises that dispense water, beer and vodka and still you wouldn't be a candidate to ever have kids with.

holtemon
May 2, 2019

Dancing is forbidden
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e:f,b

AITA for not wanting my potential future child to learn 3 languages when my other kids only know 1?
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This one gets on my nerves big time. Half the world or more learns languages like this don't be mad cause you and your kids didn't.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?

Arsenic Lupin posted:

AITA for not wanting my potential future child to learn 3 languages when my other kids only know 1?

quote:

I am an expat and have been living in Germany for the past 15 years.

quote:

the child would speak languages I don’t understand (I admit, I don’t speak German nor my wife’s native language)

I've know so many "expats" who don't bother learning the local language or anything. It's different if it's old people moving to be with their family in a new country, but if you're young, put some effort in after 15 years. This guy is a loving idiot and I hate him.

AceClown
Sep 11, 2005

"hey, why don't we do this one thing that would give our child a huge advantage in the world that would cost us zero money and little to no effort?"

"Nah"

Also, that kid is going to learn German via osmosis regardless of if chud expat wants it or not

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Arsenic Lupin posted:

AITA for not wanting my potential future child to learn 3 languages when my other kids only know 1?

Lol, what a turd. He'd be a turd if he still lived in California with his older kids and was just bringing the new partner over, but living on his own in Germany for 15 years? He's the ungodly mega turd from that gross-out hospital photo

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

AceClown posted:

Also, that kid is going to learn German via osmosis regardless of if chud expat wants it or not

*10 years later* AITA for banning my child from speaking German at home?

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010
👨🏻‍⚕️🩺🔪🙀😱🙀
I'm glad the dad is very concerned about whether his kid will be able to relate to their step siblings, but doesn't really think about how they will relate to the mother's family, or to literally anyone else in their lives, such as their German friends at the German school they would attend.

A Real Horse
Oct 26, 2013


Dr. Stab posted:

I'm glad the dad is very concerned about whether his kid will be able to relate to their step siblings, but doesn't really think about how they will relate to the mother's family, or to literally anyone else in their lives, such as their German friends at the German school they would attend.

Well you see that’s not a problem because as per his comments he’s going to move back to California. Why no he hasn’t talked about that with her, why would he?

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
Always learn as many languages as possible. No exceptions.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

Arsenic Lupin posted:

AITA for not wanting my potential future child to learn 3 languages when my other kids only know 1?

If he was in tv show you would dismiss the over the top american stereotype as bad writing.

quote:

I took a few classes when I moved here but didn’t feel like they were working so I dropped it. Everyone here speaks English anyway so there was never a need for me to learn German.

quote:

I want to move back to California in a few years so our future child would have no need to learn German.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
One of my dad's friends moved to the Netherlands for work back in the 90s. They were out there for a decade and his wife basically made a point of not learning a loving word of Dutch. How do you spend a decade somewhere and not pick up ANYTHING without deliberately trying?

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
That is loving something, wow.

When I was in first grade we had some dual language classroom, and I loving loved it. I remember my class buddy spoke little English and I spoke no Spanish besides taco. So we were paired off and learned a bunch of poo poo. But AZ public schooling being as racist as it is, the classes were cut a few months in because "if they move here, they need to SPEAK ENGLISH."

I wish I was bilingual, drat.

AITA for telling a coworker she is in America and she needs to speak English.

quote:

I (M20 white) work at a high end Italian clothing store. My coworker (for this story let’s call her Anita) is an older conservative Chinese women. She is very nice and I get along with her most of the time (work stress gets to us sometimes). She speaks Mandarin and English. Her English is great as she’s been in the states for along time, but she never speaks English if she doesn’t have too. She always speaks mandarin with the other Chinese.

One day a teen boy a little younger than me comes in. He’s Asian and speaking English and sounds like a native English speaker. Anita starts helping him and after he asks a couple questions SHE asks do you speak Chinese. Now it’s common for customers to ask for you speak Chinese or Spanish or whatever but I never see the employee ask. He says only a little.

So she starts speaking to him and she has a thick accent and talks fast. I understand a good amount of mandarin and when he speaks to her he is struggling with grammar and really kinda nervous. Anita then has the idea to start correcting him and saying you aren’t saying it right. She honestly seemed like she was lowkey mad at him. Anyways he later leaves.

The next day I kid you not the same exact scenario happens but with a girl around my age who seems to be a native English speaker from our area. Also once again it’s Anita asking her to speak Chinese when the customer doesn’t seem to want to. Finally I tell Anita hey I think u are making the customers from today a bit uncomfortable making them speak mandarin. Anita gets a bit mad and says I can speak my own language with my people if I want to. And I oblige but then again those customers didn’t seem to know mandarin remember I can understand what you are saying and people don’t come in here to get shamed for not speaking a language correctly.

She says okay I’ll work on this thanks for letting me know. Later in the day my coworkers are saying bruh why are you telling her she can only speak English. I tell eveyone that’s not what I said. My gm later pulls me aside and asks about our talk earlier and I tell him my story and he takes my side. But still all my coworkers are giving me weird vibes about a situation I think Anita may have bent the truth on. Someone said I was being subtly racist. Anyways AITA??

Yup.

At an old job, my manager hired a bilingual Spanish/English speaker with that as the main reason. Which turned out to be a bad decision; we had a lot of only-Spanish speakers come in, and when they'd go to her, she'd laugh and tell them to go to someone else for help, and then would hide in the back or go on break. This happened daily. No, she did in fact speak Spanish very well, but she had more fun watching us non-fluent people try to piece together international shipping orders for frustrated people who didn't speak a word of English.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

If he was in tv show you would dismiss the over the top american stereotype as bad writing.

Lol, there's no use for German in English! :dumb:

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
AITA for not wanting to move to Pakistan while pregnant?

quote:

I (24f) am currently 3 months pregnant with my fiancé, Attaf, m 27. We didn’t plan on having a child just yet as we’ve only been together for less than a year but it happened and here we are.

We live in New York but Attaf is originally from Pakistan and moved here for college.

We don’t live together as while he isn’t very religious, he is still religious enough that he wants to wait with moving in until after marriage which is fair enough, we will be getting married soon. I am an atheist so I couldn’t care less if it’s a religious ceremony or not so I ma fine with whatever he wants to do, weddings are generally not my thing.

Anyway, he came to my apartment last month and told me he had a surprise for me. I opened the box and it had plane tickets, 3 months from then. I was excited as it meant holiday, but he corrected me. His job is opening up a branch in Pakistan and they offered him to run it. He said that he will get paid in dollars meaning that I can quit my job and we will live a very comfortable life with his salary.

I told him that I wasn’t sure about that. I mentioned that I didn’t speak the language and was scared to give birth in a completely new country, with language I don’t speak without anyone but him there. But he said not to worry, his family will be there, and his sisters and mother will help me with anything I need and will teach me the language and my way around the country. He mentioned that in Pakistan, I will be surrounded by family as his family will become mine after the wedding while I didn’t have any family in NY (I don’t have any living relatives).

I told him I wasn’t sure and that I had to sleep on it and think about this. He kept trying to talk to me about this but the flight date keeps coming closer and I am still not sure. Frankly, I think I prefer to give birth here where I know the system and the language. I admit, I am a bit scared of moving so far away although I do see benefits, especially with his well paid job.

Last night he told me to start sorting out my stuff because we are leaving soon and after the weekend, he will help me sell some of my furniture, like it was all decided that I was going.

I told him that I still wasn’t sure and if it’s possible to cancel or rebook my ticket so I have more time to think about this but he said that no and I must come with him because he doesn’t want to leave his pregnant future wife alone. We argued and he called me irrational and selfish for refusing to go with him and blamed my hormones on my indecisiveness.

When he left, I got a phone call from his sister who told me I was breaking his heart and I should just come with him and everything will sort itself out. But I still am not sure. I worry that I am an rear end in a top hat for not wanting to go with him and that I am just irrationally scared. Everyone in his family tells me I am in the wrong and I don’t know any longer. Am I the rear end in a top hat for not wanting to move countries?

Reddit is, for once, unanimous: do not get on that loving plane, do not leave the country, get the gently caress away from him.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



AITA for moving in with my husband after we got married?

quote:

So my (22F) husband (23M) moved here(Los Angeles) for work in September. We had actually been dating before that, I went to university where he lived(Ireland) and he moved over shortly after I went back home. He didn't chase me here or anything, it was always his plan to move here.

Anyway, he started working, and actually got me an interview at the company he works at. We got married in May and moved in together shortly after. We had been living together for a month before the wedding, but after the wedding, I went back to my parents and moved all my things out. They seemed surprised by this, and started saying things like "how are we supposed to pay for food and utilities" they started calling me out shortly after that.

Now I paid rent there which did help them and offered to continue paying rent but they refused. My husband saw how badly it affected me and reached out to my parents saying he would pay for anything they needed but they just said "we don't need charity"

They have cut all contact with my husband and now my aunts and uncles are calling me an rear end in a top hat for springing this "surprise move" on my parents and leaving them struggling to pay for things, maybe I should have talked with my parents before this, I don't know.

So AITA?

Lol at the entire family getting mad at you for not going with your parents' "we don't want charity, we just want you to not move in with your spouse and to continue supporting us in person forever" retirement plan

snergle
Aug 3, 2013

A kind little mouse!

Captain Hygiene posted:

AITA for moving in with my husband after we got married?

Lol at the entire family getting mad at you for not going with your parents' "we don't want charity, we just want you to not move in with your spouse and to continue supporting us in person forever" retirement plan

why are the parents not embracing the asian / latino plan. move in with your most sucessful kid/daughter and either rule the household making everyone miserable or live in the cucuy room

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

Captain Hygiene posted:

AITA for moving in with my husband after we got married?

Lol at the entire family getting mad at you for not going with your parents' "we don't want charity, we just want you to not move in with your spouse and to continue supporting us in person forever" retirement plan

drat ungrateful millenials!!!!!

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Fil5000 posted:

One of my dad's friends moved to the Netherlands for work back in the 90s. They were out there for a decade and his wife basically made a point of not learning a loving word of Dutch. How do you spend a decade somewhere and not pick up ANYTHING without deliberately trying?

The Netherlands is slightly different, because virtually everyone actually does speak English (which isn't true in Germany, that dude's in a bubble), and Dutch people love to show off their English skills, and (in the words of my Dutch teacher) they like to have a secret language for themselves that the foreigners don't understand - so they're not huffy if you don't speak Dutch, even after several years.

BUT, you would still have to insulate yourself on purpose to fail to pick up the basics. More importantly, why wouldn't you take advantage of being in that situation! People ask me how to learn a language well, and "living there" is top of the list, which sadly most people don't get the chance to do. And these people squander it :(

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Captain Hygiene posted:

AITA for moving in with my husband after we got married?

Lol at the entire family getting mad at you for not going with your parents' "we don't want charity, we just want you to not move in with your spouse and to continue supporting us in person forever" retirement plan

I mean aside from anything else, oh dear you lived together for a month before getting married? That ain't ending well.

compshateme85
Jan 28, 2009

Oh you like racoons? Name three of their songs. You dope.
Does anyone have the story of the poly couple who were floored that they weren't entitled to the house of their deceased, newly trans partner, which was owned by her and her wife, (that she was separated from)?

ascii genitals
Aug 19, 2000



If you spend about a month in Germany you'll pick up enough German to order food. 15 years and not learning any is ridiculous.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

compshateme85 posted:

Does anyone have the story of the poly couple who were floored that they weren't entitled to the house of their deceased, newly trans partner, which was owned by her and her wife, (that she was separated from)?

That post was extremely terf-y and felt 100% fake mostly because it includes the oft cited terf talking point of someone transitioning MtF then calling their former wife homophobic slurs for wanting to stay with them.

You might be thinking of the "Beloved" post where OP and their partner are poly, move in with their new GF (who's married), and when the GF dies they get evicted and act like it's completely impossible that the spouse is the legal heir.

edit: turns out they are very similar

Smirking_Serpent posted:

Title: Navigating Estates, Tenancy, Discrimination, and Grief in North Carolina. [NC, Landlord/Tenant, Estates, Discrimination] [TW: Suicide]

The comments are insane.

pentyne fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jul 17, 2022

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?

ascii genitals posted:

If you spend about a month in Germany you'll pick up enough German to order food. 15 years and not learning any is ridiculous.

15 years is a conscious effort to refuse to engage.

quantumwell
Jun 22, 2013

pentyne posted:

The comments are insane.

The poster is insane. We tossed you out of your own home so now we own it ?

Troublemaker
Mar 12, 2007

Mx. posted:

AITA for telling my boyfriend's sister to not put her arm around him when they take photos together?
quote:
How does she have more right to touch her brother than I do to my boyfriend?

Why do people feel they have rights to someone else's body?

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

quantumwell posted:

The poster is insane. We tossed you out of your own home so now we own it ?

Find the Reddit thread, they’re even more insane. They think throwing the wife out of the house means ownership of it transferred to them, they aren’t legally tenants, and it can’t be sold without their permission. They think they can force the divorce to go through posthumously with collections of personal messages. They think they can get the wife’s lawyer disbarred for deadnaming. They make vague comments about resisting eviction by force.

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Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Fil5000 posted:

One of my dad's friends moved to the Netherlands for work back in the 90s. They were out there for a decade and his wife basically made a point of not learning a loving word of Dutch. How do you spend a decade somewhere and not pick up ANYTHING without deliberately trying?

The dutch do not let outsiders learn their language. They switch to their perfect english every time they detect a non-local.

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