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Saul Kain posted:The slave start is the tutorial. I thought this was serious but the game says it's hard so I'm not sure if it is or not.
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You will get a couple of swole ninjas out of the slave camp start but it is tedious as hell and you'll probably need a walkthrough/video tutorial to figure out how to max your stats and get out of there. Spawning at The Hub, immediately recruiting Hobbes and mining copper and/or fighting dust bandits is better for a new player, IMO
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Just found out that you can shoot through floor grates in PZ, nice
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Welp, couldn't help myself. Between the posts in this thread and the official thread, I picked up Kenshi. Of course, now I have to wait until after work to get my rear end kicked.
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I added Kenshi to my wishlist because I sure don't have time play it now but I'll be sure to pick it up on sale.
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Kvlt! posted:You have to really enjoy losing/messing up/getting the poo poo beaten out of you to enjoy Kenshi. You kinda have to buy into how obtuse and strange it is, and then its an experience like no other. Most games give you the experience of "oh no you failed, load a saved game!" In Kenshi it's more like "Oh no you failed! GET STRONG AND GET THAT SUCKA" Saul Kain posted:The slave start is the tutorial. This is no joke, it's actually one of the safest starts. You can't starve, the guards always patch your wounds so you can't really die, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain 
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I don't mean to come out totally blasting, but Kenshi feels like a game that promises some weird, janky sandbox which because of its style, really is pretty weirdly linear and limiting and relies on you just learning some flaw and exploiting it. The idea of getting your rear end kicked and becoming a Cool Punchman sounds sweet, but not if that's one of maybe two realistic paths to a "mid" game. When I look at it, it feels like it promises a sandbox but delivers only a fairly singular, weird niche experience. I get why people like games that sort of build a story and take poo poo out of their hands directly, but is there any meat to Kenshi that isn't "cheese an early game until you can jankily build an outpost?" Comparing to something like Rimworld - I can have a whole host of cool creative flavors to what's essentially the same loop. Everything I hear about Kenshi makes me think its not actually a sandbox despite the fact you can technically walk anywhere. FWIW I bring this up because it feels very close to the idea of a game I'd love, but not quite there and its frustrating. It reminds me of old games where friends would try to hype their favorite game of the moment saying, "You can do everything from X to Y" when really, you could do either X or Y and not much else.
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Is Empyrion worth going solo? With mixed recent reviews, I'm not sure about this game..
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Anime Store Adventure posted:FWIW I bring this up because it feels very close to the idea of a game I'd love, but not quite there and its frustrating. I think the two biggest things disappointments for me are that my actions appear to have consequences, but they dont seem to be conveyed in a way that seems all that engrossing? There are some very big, obvious changes which occur when certain characters are jailed or killed, but it always fell flat to me in a way that's hard to describe? The other pain point is base management. Rimworld probably spoiled me, but automating tasks with squadmates is incredibly finicky at best and its enough to make me give up on the attempt after several hours.
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Anime Store Adventure posted:FWIW I bring this up because it feels very close to the idea of a game I'd love, but not quite there and its frustrating. It reminds me of old games where friends would try to hype their favorite game of the moment saying, "You can do everything from X to Y" when really, you could do either X or Y and not much else.
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Has anyone played Conan with the new sorcery update? Does it add enough to make the game worth revisiting?
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It's in EA, but has anyone tried Sailwind, yet? Premise is you are sailing between islands plying a living by hauling cargo to trade, but you have to manage food and water as well as the sea and ocean. It's been hyped up to me from a friend who's really into sailing but I'm curious to hear goon opinions on it before I break my EA embargo to try it. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1764530/Sailwind/
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Everything I've seen of it is that it's very simplistic and more about trading and profiting than survival in any form, but I imagine it would be a very mellow little experience if you're into sailing.
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Yeah I figured maybe it fits into survival in the sense that there's hunger and thirst bars and the dangers of the open sea like storms and the like. Man vs nature rather than man vs man. But on a closer look it definitely looks like the survival aspects are incidental rather than a focal point of play.
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started to think poo poo was easy in PZ once I figured a few things out, stayed alive solo for the longest I had with only some minor issues. Now I知 noticing all my perishables are starting to rot in the fridge and I知 worried the water might shut off soon, too  sick
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truther posted:Is Empyrion worth going solo? With mixed recent reviews, I'm not sure about this game.. There's some goons on a modded server or something, try googling the posts. I had fun with it solo FWIW, it's not as grindy and PVP-focused as some other survival games.
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Tweak posted:started to think poo poo was easy in PZ once I figured a few things out, stayed alive solo for the longest I had with only some minor issues. Now I知 noticing all my perishables are starting to rot in the fridge and I知 worried the water might shut off soon, too The early to mid game in Project Zomboid are where it's good. You start off with crappy equipment, lovely skills, in an uncleared area with few supplies and have to eke out an existence against the ever present zombie horde. You eventually get to a place where the structure you call home is at least fairly secure, you've got at least a weeks' supplies, your skills are increasing, and you're able to take on small hordes with your improved gear... but just as you're getting secure, power and water go off (unless you're unlucky and it hits day 2, lol), meaning you shift into figuring out survival while winter is slowly encroaching. If half of what they're planning comes to fruition, they'll at least make an interesting "end" game. Which at the moment basically is nonexistent once you solve your issue of long term supply.
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chainchompz posted:It's in EA, but has anyone tried Sailwind, yet? Premise is you are sailing between islands plying a living by hauling cargo to trade, but you have to manage food and water as well as the sea and ocean. It's been hyped up to me from a friend who's really into sailing but I'm curious to hear goon opinions on it before I break my EA embargo to try it. Vib Rib posted:Everything I've seen of it is that it's very simplistic and more about trading and profiting than survival in any form, but I imagine it would be a very mellow little experience if you're into sailing. I love Boat games and "Hands on, niche simulator" games and its still tough to recommend Sailwind. It has kind of a jarring graphical style when most of the game is you staring at your boat/water, it does have some decent sailing physics, but they quickly become just sort of less exciting because there's just not that much to do. It's a decently chill experience, but honestly you're better off playing like Snowrunner or Flight Sim with a mission mod if you want a sort of freeroam vehicle game with a little bit of direction. I really wish we could get a chunkier, more survival and navigation focused Sea of Thieves, but I think that game remains a pipe dream for me.
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truther posted:Is Empyrion worth going solo? With mixed recent reviews, I'm not sure about this game.. It's a fun-time either way I find. Empyrion is like a mashup of Space Engineers (mechanics) and 7 days to die (exploration). Lots of neat places to explore and conquer, construction is more simplified than SE with no conveyors needed, and you can spawn blueprints in all at once after paying a material/time cost. The game has a heart of jank tho, so expect bugs and just occasional mechanical weirdness. The recent mixed reviews are from how... messy they've recently made the early game in the latest big update, it's like three hours of futzing around and then it dumps you where the game used to start at lmao. Your starting options are now four teleport linked moons that are tiny, hardly contain any POI's, have a single dungeon each, with few resources and almost no hostile presence. The quests/story only work properly on the almost -completely- empty safe moon, on all the others the terminals that tell you where to go just flat don't work properly. The current new ~dynamic~ onboarding sequence/tutorial is really buggy, half-finished, and downright broken in several places. It's the worst the opening of the game has been in awhile mechanically and it's been something they've always had trouble with. It's still a great game, but... man. You can just run the workshop scenario Reforged Eden (Futzes with game balance) or Project Eden (doesn't futz with game balance), which I recommend anyways, which uses the old gamestarts and adds several more, as well as drastically expanding the amount of POI's and places to explore in the game. The fallout shelter start is my personal favorite, since it heavily encourages you to find and repair a broken ship to escape the nuclear winter world, tho it is quite hard with no water sources and deadly background radiation. Jawnycat fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Jul 17, 2022 |
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How do mods work with Zomboid multiplayer? I see the host can load mods they have already downloaded when they generate a new map. Do connecting players have to have the same mods installed locally? Asking because I couldn't get a mod that shows all player locations on the map to work, and some UI-related mods I was using in single player also didn't seem to have loaded in MP. I was host.
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BrianRx posted:How do mods work with Zomboid multiplayer? I see the host can load mods they have already downloaded when they generate a new map. Do connecting players have to have the same mods installed locally? Asking because I couldn't get a mod that shows all player locations on the map to work, and some UI-related mods I was using in single player also didn't seem to have loaded in MP. I was host. If you're using Steam Workshop mods, then you need to enable those mods in the Mods tab and in the Workshop tab when you're creating the server. Players will auto-download any mods designated in this way, and I think this is also necessary for Steam Workshop mods to work at all. If you're using mods that you installed offline (not through Steam) then players will need to download and install those mods themselves.
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Anime Store Adventure posted:I really wish we could get a chunkier, more survival and navigation focused Sea of Thieves, but I think that game remains a pipe dream for me. Yeah 
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Kinda surprised there is no discussion of DYSMANTLE in here (unless search is broke?) https://store.steampowered.com/app/846770/DYSMANTLE/ It's kinda like a chill arcade version of project zombied? Playing though it on steam deck and really enjoying it. The progression path is great. You constantly work to upgrade skills/items so you can expand the map so that you can dysmantle more stuff so you can upgrade your skills/items Has souls like bonfire/ item recovery. Chests are shared throughout all bonfire. Just a really cool and chill game to play. Just be prepared to smash a lot of stuff
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Harminoff posted:Kinda surprised there is no discussion of DYSMANTLE in here (unless search is broke?) Thanks for this. You said the right words. Steam deck and survival game. I just bought it and I知 gonna try it later today. Looks like there痴 and expansion coming out next month too.
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I have some words on Dysmantle, and they're mixed. I'll sit down and write up a proper post but suffice to say it's a solid concept that eventually gets a bit too... extreme in execution. It was still worth the money I spent on it, but the amount of resources you need to harvest vs the tools you acquire is pretty ridiculous after certain point. And uh, only try to 100% it if you're really, really into that sort of thing. Not to mention the "true" ending can't be gotten without making it the entire game without dying once. That is a long, long time, and there are a plethora of dumb ways to die. Evil Kit fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jul 17, 2022 |
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One thing I hate about PZ is that since the game is in isometric view if you are trying to see if there are zombies behind houses or other large objects and you can't actually see them unless you get close enough for the building to become transparent. Is there a way around this?
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QuarkJets posted:If you're using Steam Workshop mods, then you need to enable those mods in the Mods tab and in the Workshop tab when you're creating the server. Players will auto-download any mods designated in this way, and I think this is also necessary for Steam Workshop mods to work at all. If you're using mods that you installed offline (not through Steam) then players will need to download and install those mods themselves. Hmm, I'm pretty sure I did that. You're saying that I need to have downloaded/enabled the mod in the workshop and also have added it to the mod list in the mods tab of the world set up options? Does the person joining need to do anything? Big Scary Owl posted:One thing I hate about PZ is that since the game is in isometric view if you are trying to see if there are zombies behind houses or other large objects and you can't actually see them unless you get close enough for the building to become transparent. Is there a way around this? I would really love a skill that outlines zombies at a certain distance. Far off zombies aren't a problem but I have been bitten by ones that my character sees and reacts to but I can't locate quickly enough to evade. This is especially a pain in the woods. I get that part of the danger of certain areas is reduced visibility, but you should be able to identify whatever your character sees when they see it. BrianRx fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jul 17, 2022 |
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E: nvm
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Evil Kit posted:I have some words on Dysmantle, and they're mixed. I'll sit down and write up a proper post but suffice to say it's a solid concept that eventually gets a bit too... extreme in execution. It was still worth the money I spent on it, but the amount of resources you need to harvest vs the tools you acquire is pretty ridiculous after certain point. And uh, only try to 100% it if you're really, really into that sort of thing. More importantly the whole thing feels like a really, really tepid action RPG in execution, but then padded to hell with a really terrible resource gathering system. There is no actual survival element to this game. You mostly go around fighting badly coded zombies and holding X or LMB against whatever resource-shaped object is nearby. There wasn't even any base building when I played (post-early access), but apparently there is now? Though looking at the update info for it, it appears "base building" is pretty much just laying down machines that turn one resource into another resources so you have to slam out a dozen or so and sit around and wait while they slowly spit out processed metal or whatever else.
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BrianRx posted:I would really love a skill that outlines zombies at a certain distance. Far off zombies aren't a problem sees and reacts to but I can't locate quickly enough to evade. This is especially a pain in the woods. I get that part of the danger of certain areas is reduced visibility, but you should be able to identify whatever your character sees when they see it. Yeah it's weird because the character should be seeing a zombie but because of the angle the player can't. Unrelated, but I was doing the running charge with the spear, missed, and my character bugged and would not attack AT ALL. Luckily I managed to get away, quit, and when I came back I was able to attack again. hosed up
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BrianRx posted:Hmm, I'm pretty sure I did that. You're saying that I need to have downloaded/enabled the mod in the workshop and also have added it to the mod list in the mods tab of the world set up options? Does the person joining need to do anything? 1. You as the host need to have the mod enabled in steam workshop And then while you are creating the multiplayer server: 2. The mod needs to be enabled in the mods list in the mods tab 3. The mod needs to be enabled in the mods list in the workshop tab
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BrianRx posted:Hmm, I'm pretty sure I did that. You're saying that I need to have downloaded/enabled the mod in the workshop and also have added it to the mod list in the mods tab of the world set up options? Does the person joining need to do anything? If you have a firearm (even if empty) you can aim and it値l show you the outlines for any zombies in range, if you have that option enabled.
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Vib Rib posted:I have words and they're all negative. I'm a lizard-brain level player who loves hoarding resources and seeing meters tick up and Dysmantle somehow failed to engage even me. I played too long to refund it and now it's on my Steam account like dead weight. 90% of the game is just going to be you standing against an object holding the button down to keep whacking at it and slowly collecting resources you need stupid amounts of. Somehow this is intensely unsatisfying, even to someone who enjoys resource gathering in most games. I can't fully explain it but just punching fences and chairs and barrels for hours on end is not a good gameplay loop. I have my lizard brain game moments too and Dysmantle hit it for me a bit. There's a semblance of a good game in there and a really interesting world (though the plot is arguably very...  ) but overall I can agree with the issues you've mentioned in the post. I certainly wouldn't 100% it, but man some of the stuff to even get to the end game was just a tad too grindy.
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QuarkJets posted:1. You as the host need to have the mod enabled in steam workshop Thanks, I think it's number 3. For some reason, I thought it would take me to the workshop, though I hadn't thought about for what purpose. duffmensch posted:If you have a firearm (even if empty) you can aim and it’ll show you the outlines for any zombies in range, if you have that option enabled. Oh cool, that's good to know. I've used melee weapons for that purpose in the woods, but enemies are a little too close at that point.
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I know using a shotgun is very loud but my base got overrun and I had spare ammo so they gave me no choice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgDi6Sgg8zg It's so loving satisfying edit: Uh, is it common for roofs to have holes in them? 
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If it's a slanted roof, yes. Only flat roofs are walkable, iirc
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Hey so, again regarding PZ, if I was to take over this house, from what some of you said, if I build a wooden fence behind the short hedge at the front (since I assume you can jump it, like with a low wall) would that mean they can't jump it and they can't attack the fence? I know they'll still be able to come in via the driveway, but this is just to create a bit of a chokepoint. Since I might be able to start a game with a friend soon, so I might make this my base of operations. Maybe park cars next to or barricade the windows and doors, then enter upstairs. (Or get a sledge to knock out the staircase. Possibly both solutions, eventually) Then later have a bit of mostly-kinda-safe space around the house for farming, eventually. There's also a river to the north-east, so water should be OK too.
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Major Isoor posted:Hey so, again regarding PZ, if I was to take over this house, from what some of you said, if I build a wooden fence behind the short hedge at the front (since I assume you can jump it, like with a low wall) would that mean they can't jump it and they can't attack the fence? I know they'll still be able to come in via the driveway, but this is just to create a bit of a chokepoint. Through hedges you do this, "pushing through something" slow walk. I'm fairly certain that unfortunately wouldn't block zombies from hitting your wall. The places I've found to enjoy which have a lot of the invincible high fence are: - Riverside: the left bottom area of the gated community, three houses in a row are surrounded by high metal fence with only small entrance areas - Rosewood: construction site to the left bottom of the main town is completely surrounded by high fence but has a gate which might be breakable, but has an inner high chain link fence, and there's several houses in top left of city proper surrounded by high fence - Muldraugh: high fence community towards bottom left of the main city - West Point: construction site on the right side of town, lots of high fence] though I've also [spoiler] gone into the local woods at the bottom of town past the warehouse and holed up in the nature picnic area
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HelloSailorSign posted:Through hedges you do this, "pushing through something" slow walk. I'm fairly certain that unfortunately wouldn't block zombies from hitting your wall. Ah, drat OK. And I assume they'd be able to attack fences from within the hedge...hm. Also, another question - are there any mods that let you upgrade vehicles? Like, welding plates over the side windows, give your car a bullbar, etc. so that they're more survivable?
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