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Ivypls posted:this goes some interesting places. liked the interviews with various youtubers about what it's like actually doing this stuff Yeah, I'm hoping that he releases a full interview video at some point. I'd like to hear more from all of them
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Jul 18, 2022 01:54
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tracecomplete posted:One of the best things about SponsorBlock is that it tags things like "Filler Segment" and can give you the option to jump through them. i love sponsorblock so much lol i completely forgot about that feature ty
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Jul 18, 2022 01:58
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LMAO @ the Paul dickheads trying to start their own Trump University
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Jul 18, 2022 02:06
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:LMAO @ the Paul dickheads trying to start their own Trump University Here are two Drew Gooden videos that go into the Jake Paul "Edfluencer" scam in more depth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz7UgBP-m7w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCa_ddzU6w4 The first one was when it was still active so he's able to actually go through the videos and the second is after it has shut down.
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Jul 18, 2022 02:19
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tracecomplete posted:One of the best things about SponsorBlock is that it tags things like "Filler Segment" and can give you the option to jump through them. The only skits/adds I always allow are the LTT ones, because they are so blatant about it I respect it. Oh and Nobbleberry ofc. Zedd fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jul 18, 2022 |
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Jul 18, 2022 02:20
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Terrible Writing Advice is also whitelisted for me because the sponsor segments have an ongoing story I'm hooked on.
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Jul 18, 2022 02:49
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muscles like this! posted:Here are two Drew Gooden videos that go into the Jake Paul "Edfluencer" scam in more depth. I wasn't expecting both the site and the videos to look so low-budget. It's like he slapped it all together in a night.
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Jul 18, 2022 04:25
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Swell Entertainment talked about the Paul thing too, and it always looked like the naked cash grab it was.
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Jul 18, 2022 13:15
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alright, i still have a 1/2 hour left on that supereyepatchwolf video and, unsurprisingly, i have some serious problems with the framing of nearly everything and the lengths it goes to portray people infested with the embarrassing illness of being obsessed with metrics and numbers as pure victims of a youtube page they willingly subject themselves to in a career that they chose for themselves and maintain unilateral control over. 1. first of all, the people buying these youtube courses are suckers with money to burn falling for a get rich quick scheme and their ultimate motives of fame and fortune should be mocked. there is no other reason to invest in something so blatantly and obviously designed to siphon money from your wallet unless you are both stupid and desperate for attention. either way, if you spend money you dont have on this crap it's on you lol. its like claiming you got taken advantage of by the guy who sold you the brooklyn bridge. no poo poo, idiot. 2. the youtube creators whining about how hard it is to look at analytics pages and how bad it makes them feel should be embarrassed of themselves. if looking at the data legitimately upsets you and has a death grip on your life (like the guy who said his wife hated how much he checked it) then there are tools to block pages or sections of pages. every artist who was on deviantart has already had this obsession with numbers long knocked out of them and the remaining stragglers are viewed as hosed up fame obsessed weirdos, as they should be. i cannot think of a single other artistic pursuit that has people talk so openly about how data poisoned they are. 3. everyone gets less return on projects they worked hardest on. everyone enjoys the lowest-brow entertainment over effort and education. everyone is going to become irrelevant. this is the reality of the entertainment business. framing it as a failing rather than an inevitability would eliminate a lot of anxiety about having to be perfect and constantly keep to a schedule and maybe, just maybe, discourage people from attempting to make this dumb poo poo their loving job. the k-pop guy who said he would cry if he couldnt do youtube for a living needs to hang it up bc that's such a hosed up way to waste your life lol. 8 years of doing poo poo he hates just to see the number go up in the hopes that some day, this thing he hates doing will be lucrative. just keep it as a hobby. wtf he already loving hates doing it lol. i dont get it. i dont understand coddling these impulses like they're natural or that youtube is a real or viable career for anyone. 4. its luck. the secret ingredient to success is luck. you can alter your chances, but in the end its still luck. oh wait i just got to the part where he said that. hes right gj wait i forgot 5. him attributing jake paul and that insane lady who made her kid cry for a youtube thumbnail to a desire for higher views was insane lol. they're sociopaths dude. come on. lol this last section............................................come on man. come on. fun hater fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Jul 18, 2022 |
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Jul 18, 2022 13:57
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jenny nicholson is the smartest of them all just for going "yeah i dont look at it" girl same who could care lol. i check out my google analytics once a month to look to see if someone found me from funny search terms
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Jul 18, 2022 14:00
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Its like how Youtube creators constantly whine about the adpocalypse. They were lucky that the status quo before that lasted as long as it did. If they want to rely on an advertisement revenue they need to follow some standards or advertisers won't pay. The money won't come from nowhere, no matter how many people watch a video. There are also way too many people interested in being social media content creators.
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Jul 18, 2022 14:20
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youtube should drastically once again change how it calculates ad revenue bc the proliferation of procedurally generated CGI garbage, the exaltation of morally repugnant individuals, and fake lifehack videos that could get you killed seems like it shouldnt be financially rewarded
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Jul 18, 2022 14:35
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fun hater posted:alright, i still have a 1/2 hour left on that supereyepatchwolf video and, unsurprisingly, i have some serious problems with the framing of nearly everything and the lengths it goes to portray people infested with the embarrassing illness of being obsessed with metrics and numbers as pure victims of a youtube page they willingly subject themselves to in a career that they chose for themselves and maintain unilateral control over. while I don't think I'm quite as hardline on 'gently caress em' as you (I think they're victims in the same way most everyone is a victim of capitalism, they were sold a get rich quick scheme just like they're selling their fans, etc), I did also find it kinda rich how the idea that the most simple to churn out entertainment will always do fairly well was treated as some unique problem to youtube that these guys simply had no choice but to scam to deal with. Like, yea, you probably shouldn't make youtube your job in general, especially if your thing is making research heavy niche edu-tainment stuff. This isn't any more 'harsh' or 'cruel' to tell them than it is to tell someone they probably shouldn't stake their entire career hopes on being an actor or screenwriter. It feels kinda weird that he does indeed acknowledge that luck is 90% of this poo poo while also being all 'and these poor guys can't help but spend entire weeks of their lives obsessively charting their view data they really have very little control over' as if that's not an objectively incorrect and bad way to...live? Like, I'm someone who writes as a hobby, if I were to spend days upon days, to the point where my husband was genuinely becoming distressed, checking the various best seller charts and publisher data and poo poo I think most people would go 'hey man maybe you need to step back', not 'wow what a completely unavoidable tragic situation'.
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Jul 18, 2022 14:48
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This is obsessing about influencing poo poo that is 99% luck is a near universal human brain problem. See every single "work smarter not harder" seminar your boss will make you go to for an office job, gamblers thinking they have a system, or the entire field of marketing.
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Jul 18, 2022 14:59
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sexpig by night posted:while I don't think I'm quite as hardline on 'gently caress em' as you (I think they're victims in the same way most everyone is a victim of capitalism, they were sold a get rich quick scheme just like they're selling their fans, etc), I did also find it kinda rich how the idea that the most simple to churn out entertainment will always do fairly well was treated as some unique problem to youtube that these guys simply had no choice but to scam to deal with. Like, yea, you probably shouldn't make youtube your job in general, especially if your thing is making research heavy niche edu-tainment stuff. This isn't any more 'harsh' or 'cruel' to tell them than it is to tell someone they probably shouldn't stake their entire career hopes on being an actor or screenwriter. I mean, while there's a level of personal culpability in this sort of obsessive metric-chasing, at the same time I think the platform should probably be held accountable to some degree for facilitating and, in many cases, openly encouraging this kind of obsessive behavior. Putting the blame entirely on these people for not "walking away" is kind of like absolving things like casinos, video poker and other gambling media from all responsibility for taking advantage of people's gambling addictions.
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Jul 18, 2022 17:06
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I also agree that 100 % victim blaming (which I am sure is not what Fun hater is saying to do anyway) is not the answer. Then again I like to believe the best in most people... most people. quote:wait i forgot 5. him attributing jake paul and that insane lady who made her kid cry for a youtube thumbnail to a desire for higher views was insane lol. they're sociopaths dude. come on. I see no reason why both cant be true.
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Jul 18, 2022 17:12
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Jacob Geller talks about all the dark twisted poo poo in Zelda games and also a bit of Animorphs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2tXLsEUpaQ
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Jul 18, 2022 17:17
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KingKalamari posted:I mean, while there's a level of personal culpability in this sort of obsessive metric-chasing, at the same time I think the platform should probably be held accountable to some degree for facilitating and, in many cases, openly encouraging this kind of obsessive behavior. Putting the blame entirely on these people for not "walking away" is kind of like absolving things like casinos, video poker and other gambling media from all responsibility for taking advantage of people's gambling addictions. i come from nevada, i do absolve these things bc the locals know better than to give them money lol i think youtube is responsible for monetizing the worst poo poo and in turn condoning if not outright funding the worst people and the worst content. but no one is putting a gun to peoples heads and forcing them to do this. they are responsible for their actions and behaviors fun hater fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jul 18, 2022 |
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Jul 18, 2022 17:25
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DeafNote posted:I also agree that 100 % victim blaming (which I am sure is not what Fun hater is saying to do anyway) is not the answer. i think whatever cluster b poo poo they have going on supercedes the common human poison of watching the number go up. being obsessed with view count is one thing, but abusing your family or exploiting the deaths of strangers in the pursuit of money is strongly abnormal human behavior made common only because it is more visible
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Jul 18, 2022 17:29
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I hate that Youtube got rid of comments on music uploads.
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Jul 18, 2022 17:34
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I hate that Youtube got rid of comments on music uploads. I know, it's impossible to tell if anyone is still listening to a song in 2022 anymore
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Jul 18, 2022 17:36
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Supersonic Shine posted:Jacob Geller talks about all the dark twisted poo poo in Zelda games and also a bit of Animorphs. i REALLY like the description of "walking backwards into culture" to describe the experience of retroactively understanding a cultural reference you first saw without context as a child.
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Jul 18, 2022 17:39
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I hate that Youtube got rid of comments on music uploads. The videos that are tagged as "-Topic"? Yeah, I hate that too.
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Jul 18, 2022 17:40
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the -Topic videos rarely ever got comments anyway, the music videos still have comments enabled and thats where you find the real deranged poo poo
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Jul 18, 2022 17:47
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fun hater posted:1. first of all, the people buying these youtube courses are suckers with money to burn falling for a get rich quick scheme and their ultimate motives of fame and fortune should be mocked. there is no other reason to invest in something so blatantly and obviously designed to siphon money from your wallet unless you are both stupid and desperate for attention. either way, if you spend money you dont have on this crap it's on you lol. its like claiming you got taken advantage of by the guy who sold you the brooklyn bridge. no poo poo, idiot. I do think there is something to be said of a lot of these YouTubers targeting children specifically for this exact reason. There's a part in the Drew Gooden video posted above talking about the Jake Paul scam and how it was specifically set up where you put in your credit card information for a $7 buy-in that then directed you to a screen where you are prompted to pay $57 dollars for the upgraded package or whatever; and he makes a good case that this is designed for a scenario where a kid asks for some innocuous amount that a parent might be willing to pay before adding an upcharge that a kid might just click on because they want the extra content and don't really have a concept of money. There's also the fact that people are generally aware of how loving lovely the world is and how low pay jobs will bleed you dry and so the idea that maybe you can find some way out of this awful mess is hyper appealing. It's why MLM and pyramid schemes and Trump scams work because sometimes when you are exhausted and desperate and don't know any better and you hear something like "hey this Twitch streamer makes 10 million a year" and you'd be more happy with 1/100th of that or even much less as long as it isn't your current situation where some slovenly fast food manager exploits you for poo poo hours and dirt pay, then maybe you decide to take a gamble. And like, I know in general people who fall for this poo poo aren't all children or desperate people in poverty but there's still a reason a ton of the above scams are specifically illegal.
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Jul 18, 2022 18:10
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Alaois posted:the -Topic videos rarely ever got comments anyway, the music videos still have comments enabled and thats where you find the real deranged poo poo Where would teens find other teens who only listen to classics like Led Zeppelin? They were all born in Le Wrong Generation
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Jul 18, 2022 18:11
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Guy A. Person posted:I do think there is something to be said of a lot of these YouTubers targeting children specifically for this exact reason. There's a part in the Drew Gooden video posted above talking about the Jake Paul scam and how it was specifically set up where you put in your credit card information for a $7 buy-in that then directed you to a screen where you are prompted to pay $57 dollars for the upgraded package or whatever; and he makes a good case that this is designed for a scenario where a kid asks for some innocuous amount that a parent might be willing to pay before adding an upcharge that a kid might just click on because they want the extra content and don't really have a concept of money. lmfao at the parent who just hands their kid their debit card no questions asked. they get what they deserve!
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Jul 18, 2022 18:25
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I do question why it is so easy for kids to be able to spend so much money on gacha games. (also dont debit cards have a limit on them anyway?) edit: Its like the same thing with DSP as mentioned earlier. I dont feel bad for people who still give him money, but I am not impressed with DSP himself either DeafNote fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jul 18, 2022 |
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Jul 18, 2022 19:42
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When YouTube is your job, there’s an incentive to use the tools YouTube fives you to ensure your financial wellbeing. Even if they’re bullshit, a lot of these people find themselves unexpectedly or prematurely hitting a milestone where YouTube can become a job, but they don’t fully understand the ramifications of that and just assume analytics will help them. Even Wolf admits in the video it’s hard to not dig into it, as having inherently inconsistent income is going to trick you into looking for ways to have some control over that. Social Media is weird in that it’s not unique from other, more traditional pathways to success. It’s largely sticking with it long until til you luck out and get noticed, but the barrier to entry is so much lower. You need a camera and an internet connection. It seems like an easy path to success because hey: you can review fast food or unbox products or opine about movies. And people just assume there’s a simple trick that the differences between their paltry subs and the hundreds of thousands of another schlub doing the same thing.
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Jul 18, 2022 19:53
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fun hater posted:i come from nevada, i do absolve these things bc the locals know better than to give them money lol This is the same tired old attitude that leads to "opiod addicts just need to stop using" "fatness is 100% a personal failing" "abuse victims should just leave" "lol, who spends their life savings on a gacha game" and "well they should have known it was a scam" When you've got companies or individuals spending decent chunks of money trying to find the best ways to get money out of people, not caring how much it could potentially impact their lives for the worse, the solution isn't to just sit back and allow it to happen so you can feel superior. In your case, so you're completely fine with casinos engaging in predatory practices because they're not affecting the locals, just people you don't know? As someone who has spent time trying to help migrant workers dealing with large companies, that goes some loving fun places very quickly. I'd also doubt that being a Nevada local grants some sort of magic immunity to gambling problems. YouTube, all social media, is about trying to get you to spend as much time as possible either interacting with it, or thinking about it, to a mentally unhealthy degree because that's where the money is for them, the fact that some people are more susceptible to that is not a failing of them as an individual.
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Jul 18, 2022 20:09
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I find it hard to believe that Alphabet isn't going into this with an attitude towards getting people addicted to ensuring that Alphabet can stick around. Then again, I'm also not one of the people who feel they have anything to say on any social media and just use it as a way to shout into the void. Similarly, I'm not sure how I'd react if something of mine blew up, but I don't think I'd like it much.
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Jul 18, 2022 20:12
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carrionman posted:This is the same tired old attitude that leads to "opiod addicts just need to stop using" "fatness is 100% a personal failing" "abuse victims should just leave" "lol, who spends their life savings on a gacha game" and "well they should have known it was a scam" youtubers being hungry for clicks is not even remotely the same as a physical addiction and i think the assumption that- wait lol did you list gacha poo poo in there too?? ahahahahahah lmfao if you expect me to feel bad for those losers. quote:When you've got companies or individuals spending decent chunks of money trying to find the best ways to get money out of people, not caring how much it could potentially impact their lives for the worse, the solution isn't to just sit back and allow it to happen so you can feel superior. it is actually not my job to rescue idiots from themselves because they want a career on youtube sooooo bad. quote:In your case, so you're completely fine with casinos engaging in predatory practices because they're not affecting the locals, just people you don't know? As someone who has spent time trying to help migrant workers dealing with large companies, that goes some loving fun places very quickly. I'd also doubt that being a Nevada local grants some sort of magic immunity to gambling problems. 1. yes. 2. lmfao what is up with you comparing gacha whales and youtube analytics obsessions with not caring about migrants??? what the gently caress does that have to do with the price of tea in china? your assumption is because im pro-gambling i hate migrants??? why would you even post this except to attempt to score a bizarre moral victory by randomly assigning me a set of beliefs that make it easier to yell at me. 3. bruh.....you can either be pedantic about what i wrote and demand i be ultra specific about what i say, or you can do baseless assumptions. you can't juggle both. quote:YouTube, all social media, is about trying to get you to spend as much time as possible either interacting with it, or thinking about it, to a mentally unhealthy degree because that's where the money is for them, the fact that some people are more susceptible to that is not a failing of them as an individual. counterpoint, yes it is (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 18, 2022 20:17
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much like alcohol, if you quit receiving anime jpgs of girls cold turkey, you die e: oh yeah lol, this attitude toward art and this specific type of unhealthy relationship with money and attention is creeping into the web comics scene via webtoons and i am desperately trying to kill it before it takes root any more than it has. i think people should be shamed out of this behavior, bc its awful and makes everything worse for everyone else. no one wins but the parent company fun hater fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jul 18, 2022 |
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Jul 18, 2022 20:19
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carrionman posted:This is the same tired old attitude that leads to "opiod addicts just need to stop using" Hi, as someone who was sone of those I deeply hate this comparison and think it reveals exactly how little you know about either thing! Youtube absolutely creates a feedback loop that preys on people, Youtube is the root of the problem for sure, but there is a vast gulf between 'I check my numbers so much my wife gets pissed' and loving physical addiction. These people aren't loving addicted, they're scam victims, and I feel bad for them but much like MLM poo poo and all there is the kinda unavoidable element of 'right but you were kinda real dumb to think this is how this works'. Much like MLMs (almost as if that's the non-offensive comparison to make here, and you probably knew that but needed to score some sweet sweet net points) I fully agree they prey on people with limited resources or opportunities with big 'just make one hit video and you're set for life' talk on par with 'all you need is three friends to buy these makeup kits and you're set' poo poo but that doesn't change that there's a whole wide world of people who are in similar situations or worse and manage to not think making 3 hour videos on Sonic's Marxist Hidden Message is their ticket to stardom. Also much like MLM schemes they don't really prey on the poor typically so much as middle class people with income and free time to burn, unlike the pharma industry who basically created the modern opioid crisis by dumping their pills into poor and desperate areas and then going 'woah look at these loving nasty rear end addicts, hosed up imo'.
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Jul 18, 2022 20:31
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If shaming worked, then the furry fandom would have died out at least a decade ago.
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Jul 18, 2022 20:33
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Pants Donkey posted:If shaming worked, then the furry fandom would have died out at least a decade ago. we came to love them as our allies, due to their financial generosity, coding expertise, and vast knowledge of cartoons from 1980-2001. youtubers must create their own reputation that doesnt involve dead people
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Jul 18, 2022 20:36
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it's not shaming to point out that you probably shouldn't set your goals around a one in a million 'I'll simply become world famous and wealthy off youtube' vague idea, you can't just call everything that sucks to hear 'shaming'
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Jul 18, 2022 20:36
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I dont think scamvictims are the same as gacha victims either. Though that depends on whether or not they have an addiction problem or not. I have heard many a tale of people who tried to get away from the gambling scene only for gambling to find them inside their new hobbies: gaming. With gacha there is also an element of peer pressure, especially for kids who bully other kids who have less cool ingame items and all that junk.
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Jul 18, 2022 20:36
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in the old days it was pretty uncontroversial to use 'sold all their poo poo and went to LA to ~become an actor~' as shorthand for 'god bless them for having dreams but boy is that a risky gamble you probably shouldn't take'. Youtube is just the modern version of that and comparing it to full on addiction of any sort is absurd.
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DeafNote posted:I dont think scamvictims are the same as gacha victims either. Though that depends on whether or not they have an addiction problem or not. alcoholics attempting to sober up will often replace their alcoholism with something else to fill the hole where the coping mechanism used to be. for my grandpa and apparently a lot of people, it was sugar. some people go full tilt into hobbies. it's part of the process. gambling getting people with gaming makes perfect sense lol e: wait edited to say that the kids dont have life ruining money to spend on gacha or video games. the probably spend a stupid and regrettable amount of money on something that sucks, but learning expensive lessons is part of being a teen lol. its financial responsibility. if the parent is giving them unfettered access to the card, thats a totally different problem. fun hater fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jul 18, 2022 |
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