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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:But, Fury was only supposed to use the beeper in a global super emergency! New York and Sokovia are just single areas and not the whole world! seriously they couldn't come up with anything? she was just loving around for 30 years? also, she probably could've been the one to do the Endgame snap considering Energy-absorbtion is her whole thing but I'm just pedantic now
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One of the big similarities between the comics and the movies, especially when it comes to "why wasn't so-and-so there?" is don't fuckin worry about it.
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Jul 18, 2022 18:37
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BornAPoorBlkChild posted:seriously they couldn't come up with anything? she was just loving around for 30 years? also, she probably could've been the one to do the Endgame snap considering Energy-absorbtion is her whole thing but I'm just pedantic now Some other planet had an even worse Ultron at that time. Quit being so Earth-centric, it's pedestrian.
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Jul 18, 2022 18:40
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Joe Fisto posted:One of the big similarities between the comics and the movies, especially when it comes to "why wasn't so-and-so there?" is don't fuckin worry about it. And the answer is almost always "They were in space".
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Jul 18, 2022 18:40
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I mean, Fury didn't even call in Carol for the Infinity War incident until *after* billions of people started turning to dust en masse. It's at least consistent that his threshold is pretty crazy high.
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Jul 18, 2022 18:46
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On L+T, specifically on Gorr I feel there’s a missing scene about why Gorr changes plans. First he is killing gods, and the distress call thing suggests it’s both new and he’s doing really well chopping them up with his sword and shadow monsters. All of which happens offscreen, which sucks, but whatever. Then he suddenly changes to hunting Thor because he wants Stormbreaker to open the bifrost so he can get a magic wish to do a “no more gods” House of G move. But we never see when he learns of Eternity, why he decides to stop his already successful godslaying, and it feels like there should be a god murder session where he’s getting pissed off at the pace, and maybe a god tries to bargain for their life by giving up the info on Eternity. Still don’t like he then goes for luring Thor into a trap when just keep on attacking him directly would be much more productive, but eh comic books. But the more I think about the film, the more I feel it needs that extra god murder/change of plans scene to flesh out what Gorr is doing. Doesn’t help that Thor’s plan is to recruit gods to help fight (valid) but then he decides that just taking Zeus’ thunderbolt would be enough. Bitch please, you literally crafted Stormbreaker as a Thanos killing weapon and now you already want to get another new toy instead? I like the film, but both protagonist and antagonist both separately finding out about Eternity by accident and making it their goal feels a little scruffy and aimless. Just a bit of tighter writing and a couple of scenes changed and this would have all come together so much better I feel.
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Parkingtigers posted:On L+T, specifically on Gorr I feel there’s a missing scene about why Gorr changes plans. First he is killing gods, and the distress call thing suggests it’s both new and he’s doing really well chopping them up with his sword and shadow monsters. All of which happens offscreen, which sucks, but whatever. He cracks the secret to eternity in the first scene of him in the shadow dimension. He stops killing individual gods because he can get all of them at once with eternity.
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Fangz posted:I mean, Fury didn't even call in Carol for the Infinity War incident until *after* billions of people started turning to dust en masse. It's at least consistent that his threshold is pretty crazy high. tbf there's no indication Fury had any idea what was going on until that last teaser
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"Why didn't they use thing from y movie to solve x movie problem from earlier" is the most boring nitpick. Trying to imagine which is worse, a three minute scene of some character grilling Carol about where she was during Ultron ("I don't even know when that was. We don't use Earth's calendar in space. I was probably fighting Deathbird or J'son or something") or just having a little yellow box in the bottom corner of the screen all "Captain Marvel wasn't in Age of Ultron because we hadn't cast her yet!" - theironjef fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jul 18, 2022 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:He cracks the secret to eternity in the first scene of him in the shadow dimension. He stops killing individual gods because he can get all of them at once with eternity. Am I forgetting something? I only remember Gorr murking the first god, then talk about him killing stuff, then him showing up at Asgard. Shadow Dimension only happens after he’s stolen the Asgard kids and is already hunting Thor because reasons. There was no “oh, this’ll be so much quicker” scene for him, even implied.
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Parkingtigers posted:Am I forgetting something? I only remember Gorr murking the first god, then talk about him killing stuff, then him showing up at Asgard. Shadow Dimension only happens after he’s stolen the Asgard kids and is already hunting Thor because reasons. There was no “oh, this’ll be so much quicker” scene for him, even implied. Maybe I'm misremembering, but didn't Jane see the notes and research and imply that he had been working on it and recently figured it out?
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Jul 18, 2022 19:05
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Maybe I'm misremembering, but didn't Jane see the notes and research and imply that he had been working on it and recently figured it out? Yeah, that’s later in the movie. Again it goes back to “yes he did this… but offscreen” and I guess I just feel it was just one of many things that would have improved the movie had I seen these things happen rather than be told that at some point they had happened (sources: trust me).
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Jul 18, 2022 19:12
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Is that a criticism or a preference? You want to know why the villain is doing what they're doing as they're doing it. We know something is up when a guy known for killing starts kidnapping, we wait to find out why later.
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Jul 18, 2022 19:23
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From the movie we know that Gorr figured it out but seemingly didn't know how to find Thor or get his attention. He comes across Sif, and his next target ends up being New Asgard. So something clicked, but we don't see it no.
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Jul 18, 2022 19:28
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When Gorr first picks up the Necrosword he has a series of visions that includes Eternity and the Bifrost.
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howe_sam posted:When Gorr first picks up the Necrosword he has a series of visions that includes Eternity and the Bifrost. Yeah, I think it's implied that Gorr's plan is as influenced by the sword itself as it is his personal tragedy, as shown by the various times it whispers to him. It's notable that at the end, when he does reach Eternity, it's after the sword had been destroyed, and it's only then that he actually considers another wish.
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So, the most likely place for Hercules to pop up next is probably a theoretical Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts movie, right?
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OnimaruXLR posted:So, the most likely place for Hercules to pop up next is probably a theoretical Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts movie, right? Which I have to think will be announced at D23
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BrianWilly posted:Okay wow. Just got back from Love and Thunder, and speaking and someone who always thought Ragnarok was kinda overrated...I think L&T blows it completely out of the water. This might actually be one of my favorite MCU films ever. It would outright be, if not for the fact that I think they whiffed the ending a little bit? Which is weird 'cuz everyone's like "the last act is so satisfying" so I guess I'm just the oddball here. That's funny. In the Thor thread I went on about how I thought the Jane story in the comics (this is from the original Mighty Thor run) didn't hit as hard as this movie due to Jane living. But I can see your point about Jane deciding to fight her cancer being the braver choice. I still think the greater message, about life being fleeting and therefore you have to choose what you love best, and in Jane's case, helping others, really is a good one though. It's less a heroic sacrifice than a decision to spend what life is remaining the best you can. Maybe I like it so much because I thought the movie was going to make the easy decision to have her cancer solved by super magic/science.
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BornAPoorBlkChild posted:seriously they couldn't come up with anything? she was just loving around for 30 years? also, she probably could've been the one to do the Endgame snap considering Energy-absorbtion is her whole thing but I'm just pedantic now this and discussion like this is so boring to me. Where are the other heroes? I don't care.
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theironjef posted:"Why didn't they use thing from y movie to solve x movie problem from earlier" is the most boring nitpick. Trying to imagine which is worse, a three minute scene of some character grilling Carol about where she was during Ultron ("I don't even know when that was. We don't use Earth's calendar in space. I was probably fighting Deathbird or J'son or something") or just having a little yellow box in the bottom corner of the screen all "Captain Marvel wasn't in Age of Ultron because we hadn't cast her yet!" - When people think of nitpicks like this, imagine them being said by the CinemaSins guy with a ding sound. You won't ever care again.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:But, Fury was only supposed to use the beeper in a global super emergency! New York and Sokovia are just single areas and not the whole world! Fury only ends up calling Carol when he himself dies. And he kind of saves the day in Ultron, so maybe the emergency was just a situation he wouldn't be around to fix. OnimaruXLR posted:So, the most likely place for Hercules to pop up next is probably a theoretical Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts movie, right? Thor 5, no? They seemed to be setting up a showdown. Plus, having him show up in the Thunderbolts movie would require a lot of exposition.
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Other than the obvious real world reason why Captain Marvel didn't show up in earlier movies, Fury is not going to call her unless he's pretty sure she can get there in time before things are resolved. Otherwise he's going to be the boy who cried wolf and she stops paying attention to the pager.
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theironjef posted:"Why didn't they use thing from y movie to solve x movie problem from earlier" is the most boring nitpick. Trying to imagine which is worse, a three minute scene of some character grilling Carol about where she was during Ultron ("I don't even know when that was. We don't use Earth's calendar in space. I was probably fighting Deathbird or J'son or something") or just having a little yellow box in the bottom corner of the screen all "Captain Marvel wasn't in Age of Ultron because we hadn't cast her yet!" - On the other hand, this is kind of the exact thing that people love about the MCU. They love how interconnected it is and how they're putting dozens of different movies in the same universe and they all have to rub up against each other. I pretty much agree with you and it's a part of why I find the current Marvel stuff more exhausting to keep up with, but people go nuts for characters referencing events they weren't part of or having a reaction to something that wasn't in their movies or bringing in forgotten poo poo from years ago. Based on No Way Home and MoM it seems like Feige is happy to lean into it too. I guarantee you that legions of fans want that 3 minute scene.
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Thor 4 was a mediocre movie. Too many quips.
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All these dead gods probably should've come up on Carol's radar.
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live with fruit posted:Fury only ends up calling Carol when he himself dies. And he kind of saves the day in Ultron, so maybe the emergency was just a situation he wouldn't be around to fix. I mean having half the characters that are theorized for the Thunderbolts movie are gonna require a good bit of exposition so why not one more?
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live with fruit posted:Thor 5, no? They seemed to be setting up a showdown. Plus, having him show up in the Thunderbolts movie would require a lot of exposition. Maybe. Both Taika and Hemsworth said that “Thor will return” tag was news to them.
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TwoPair posted:I mean having half the characters that are theorized for the Thunderbolts movie are gonna require a good bit of exposition so why not one more? There's so many villains/anti-heroes already in the wind. Walker, Yelena and Agnes are good to go and Abomination probably will be after She-Hulk and then you've got characters like Ghost and Taskmaster who can catch up quickly. If nothing else, Goldstein's going to need time to bulk up.
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Aphrodite posted:Maybe. Both Taika and Hemsworth said that “Thor will return” tag was news to them. Yeah thor 4 seemed like an end to his story.
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Has anyone gone through and figured out how many post-credit teases have actually been paid off?
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I think another thing I'm getting tired of with the mcu is all the epic offscreen adventures.
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They don't specify which Thor Lobok posted:Other than the obvious real world reason why Captain Marvel didn't show up in earlier movies, Fury is not going to call her unless he's pretty sure she can get there in time before things are resolved. Otherwise he's going to be the boy who cried wolf and she stops paying attention to the pager. "What's the emergency, Nick?" "I need this pickle jar opened." "A *pickle* jar?" "The lid's on *really* tight."
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There's actually a small "frog" before the word Thor.
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live with fruit posted:Has anyone gone through and figured out how many post-credit teases have actually been paid off?
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FlamingLiberal posted:For this Phase? The only one I can think of is the one in Black Widow leading into the Hawkeye show. I meant in general but the end of Wandavision leads directly into MoM.
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live with fruit posted:Has anyone gone through and figured out how many post-credit teases have actually been paid off? https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Post-credits_Scenes Here's a list. Going through it seems like early on yes, later it gets kind of mixed.
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They used to go pretty much movie to movie with the stingers so it was easier, this phase definitely seems to be where they decided to tease stuff that will go years without resolution. OTOH I feel like they have better long term planning now so we won't get as much "fine, I'll do it myself" situations
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Lobok posted:Other than the obvious real world reason why Captain Marvel didn't show up in earlier movies, Fury is not going to call her unless he's pretty sure she can get there in time before things are resolved. Otherwise he's going to be the boy who cried wolf and she stops paying attention to the pager. It’s also easy enough to say Fury wouldn’t call her unless he really did think it was the last straw. As hairy as NY or Sokovia were he had the Avengers and SHIELD acting. It’s a judgment call. Maybe he made the wrong one. Maybe there’s an untold story why he’s so hesitant to call her. But people just straight up melting into dust including himself is a reasonable enough worst case scenario for Fury. But as everyone else said, the reason is they hadn’t made the movie and character yet and we all know that and if you can’t suspend a little disbelief to play along what are we doing here?
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