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Kavros posted:it's extremely bizarre watching tatsuya ishida's extremely strange, twisty path from crass misogynism, to transphobic radfem militancy, to anti social justice antisemitic conspiratorialism, to conservative traditionalist misogynism I blame the comic strip syndicates, they dropped the ball by not giving him a bland strip we could all ignore. A real 'Hitler rejected by the art academy' situation.
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By popular demand posted:I blame the comic strip syndicates, they dropped the ball by not giving him a bland strip we could all ignore. And so we get basically another Stonetoss instead, complete with the punchline for today's Shitfest being "a LGBT person gets violently assaulted".
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You can't even compare it to stonetoss, because stonetoss exhibits coherence both in theme and in comic delivery, so it gets used in successful political messaging sinfest can't accomplish that as long as it remains a frail, incoherent free association of ideologically charged pseudo-profundity (so, indefinitely) it can't be used except as a comforting ideological rorschach blot for a very narrow group of bigots who will build up a message around whatever structureless garble they get delivered and go "woa so deep" a good comic, etc etc
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Not only is Sinfest’s first commentary on, not just Dobbs but abortion as anything but a joke, Roe a vague allusion (it’s a uterus on a protest sign, abortion is not mentioned) but it’s also just a background prop to yet another attack on trans people.
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I don't even think it's about Roe. I think it's just more transphobia. I read the sign as saying "I'm a real woman because I have XX chromosomes and a uterus." "Woman = uterus" is a thing transphobes love to say.
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Kavros posted:it's extremely bizarre watching tatsuya ishida's extremely strange, twisty path from crass misogynism, to transphobic radfem militancy, to anti social justice antisemitic conspiratorialism, to conservative traditionalist misogynism As a case study of a cartoonist in psychological decline, Ishidi is in the same club as Louis Wain [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Wain]] and Percy Crosby [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Crosby]]. Assuming he hasn't alienated everyone in his life but do you think any of Ishida's friends and family ever told him to get help? Normally, a strip like this would irritate and piss me off but its content is such incoherent gibberish that I almost feel guilty for reading it.
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Jul 18, 2022 21:03
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ZZT the Fifth posted:And so we get basically another Stonetoss instead, complete with the punchline for today's Shitfest being "a LGBT person gets violently assaulted". https://twitter.com/Pinko69420/status/1547986749195837440?t=esve-ZDYhLcMzuQf7M0RVA&s=19
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I'm a little surprised nobody's taken it a step further than Skelly and gone "nah, 10 year-old rape victims don't need abortions".
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Everyone's least favorite reddit artist GPrime has taken a short break from his preferred pastime of drawing crying liberal women to announce to the world that he is Horny For Butts. Not technically NWS, but timg'd/spoilered because....yeah. Also note the self-insert on the bottom right.
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Zero_Grade posted:Everyone's least favorite reddit artist GPrime has taken a short break from his preferred pastime of drawing crying liberal women to announce to the world that he is Horny For Butts.  Leeched from Fox News because gently caress 'em.
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Ben Garrison posted:terrible water and land management So what does he think is good water and land management?
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Rudicron posted:So what does he think is good water and land management?
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 Pope:  The state of the environment report which was completed last year but held back by the previous government until the election will be released today, although a summary has already been given out about it is (as can be expected) quite dire: State of the environment: shocking report shows how Australia’s land and wildlife are being gradually destroyed (Guardian). Rowe:  Treasurer Jim Chalmers. Wayne Swan was treasurer for Rudd and Gillard. Chalmers seeks bipartisan approach to imminent RBA review (SMH). ANZ announces $5 billion Suncorp Bank takeover (ABC). Downes:  Royal Hobart Hospital nurses threaten strike action amid mounting COVID-19 pressures (ABC). This isn't just in Tasmania, the COVID pressures on the health system are Australia wide. Wilcox:  Knight:  Cameron Smith surges past Rory McIlroy to claim maiden major triumph in The Open at St Andrews (ABC). Warren Brown:  Lethbridge:  Spooner:  Adam Bandt is leader of the Greens. Trapezium Dave fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jul 18, 2022 |
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Stonetoss knew exactly what it was trying to be, a cartoony gag comic thinly concealing fascist ideology, and did that. Which made it actively harmful. Sinfest is just... kind of tragic. Ishida genuinely wants to say something meaningful but is so up his own rear end it just comes out as utter garbled nonsense, that never manages to focus on any coherent narrative or statement before he remembers another thing about Society These Days to be mad about that he needs to shoehorn in to whatever is currently going on.NDP posted:As a case study of a cartoonist in psychological decline, Ishidi is in the same club as Louis Wain [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Wain]] and Percy Crosby [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Crosby]]. Assuming he hasn't alienated everyone in his life but do you think any of Ishida's friends and family ever told him to get help? Normally, a strip like this would irritate and piss me off but its content is such incoherent gibberish that I almost feel guilty for reading it. are there examples of Crosby's later polemical work online? To add to the list I think i've mentioned Cerebus #186 before here as the gold standard in cartoonist meltdowns, which Ishida has not quite got to the level of yet, though give it 5 years or so. There is something kind of grimly fascinating about a piece of art deteriorating as the artist's own obsessions start to take precedence over making a good work
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Angepain posted:Stonetoss knew exactly what it was trying to be, a cartoony gag comic thinly concealing fascist ideology, and did that. Which made it actively harmful. Sinfest is just... kind of tragic. Ishida genuinely wants to say something meaningful but is so up his own rear end it just comes out as utter garbled nonsense, that never manages to focus on any coherent narrative or statement before he remembers another thing about Society These Days to be mad about that he needs to shoehorn in to whatever is currently going on. I tried to find some examples of this and am now deeply confused: http://www.skippy.com/skippy1.html quote:During his career as a celebrity American artist and author, Percy Crosby crusaded against corruption and stood up to the likes of Al Capone and his henchmen when American citizens were too frightened to speak out. He used his Irish humor and gift of satire to lampoon politicians, President Roosevelt, the Ku Klux Klan, and fought for civil liberties, child labor laws, rights of veterans, and freedom of the press. Although he made a profound impression with millions of Americans, primarily through Skippy, the loveable and mischievous cartoon character who became a household word, Percy Crosby was unable to prevent retaliation by those who coveted control of Skippy for their commercial gain, and wanted him silenced. Percy Crosby was falsely imprisoned in a New York mental hospital for the last 16 years of his life, following years of harassment by the IRS. He referred to this period of his life as a "political witch hunt". During this time, Crosby's famous Skippy trademark and its valuable goodwill was pirated by a bankrupt peanut butter company, which later merged with a Fortune 500 company, making a fortune in illicit sales under the Skippy brand name. That site was set up by Joan, Percy's daughter, who died a couple years ago and was apparently locked in battles over trademark rights to the comic her whole life. I've not got the time to sort it all out atm. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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This seems like a hell of a can of worms. I look forward to the two hour youtube video detailing multiple perspectives on what the gently caress happened in three years or so, made by... somebody else, bagsy not me
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All coverage of Crosby's situation that takes his side seems to be basically repeating language from Joan (who ofc had a financial interest in all this), so giant block of salt. That said I don't recall any unhinged polemical comics from Skippy; I think when Crosby lost it he mostly did so while not producing the comic at all. the place to ask would be the incredibly great comic strips thread down in BSS; they've got a century of memory there and I know they've been posting through the entire Skippy oeuvre.
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ZZT the Fifth posted:And so we get basically another Stonetoss instead, complete with the punchline for today's Shitfest being "a LGBT person gets violently assaulted". Spoilers! I only subject myself to it on sundays!
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The Islamic Shock posted:I'm a little surprised nobody's taken it a step further than Skelly and gone "nah, 10 year-old rape victims don't need abortions". Well, GOP politicians have, but I assume you mean from right wing political cartoonists. In which case Branco is on vacation and I haven't seen anything from Lester or McCoy since it came out the news was true, so there's always the possibility they're just around the corner from saying it! Hell, even that Skelley is borderline saying that. The Islamic Shock posted:Those are the parts of his cartoon that I don't know anything about. It's safe to assume anything Garrison believes is dumb as poo poo but I'd appreciate a tl;dr here so I know why he's wrong. I don't know about the water management, since I have no idea how Ben would spin "Corporations are draining lakes dry" as somehow the fault of leftism, like it's straight up no regulations capitalism that he loves so much. Not saying he couldn't do it, I just don't know how he would. Maybe just say the government is secretly draining the water. Anyway! The bad land management policies is almost certainly due to statements (which are sort of true) that having gigantic campaigns about stopping forest fires is partially to blame for the out of control wildfires. Less fires mean that dead trees and branches and lots of needles/leaves don't get burned off easily, and those catch fire very quickly. Controlled burnings to get rid of that sort of stuff is usually how it's taken care of, but I think (I'm not entirely sure and someone will correct me if I'm wrong) California isn't really putting any budget into that, just fire prevention. So when a fire does spark, due to the large amount of extra flammable stuff, the wildfires get incredibly strong. This is very bad land management. This isn't to give Ben too much credit, because while he may be right about the reason, he 100% is in the camp of "This is why the government trying to do anything is bad, and we should get rid of it" which is bullshit and would not solve the problem.
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The Islamic Shock posted:Those are the parts of his cartoon that I don't know anything about. It's safe to assume anything Garrison believes is dumb as poo poo but I'd appreciate a tl;dr here so I know why he's wrong. tl:dr on water and land management. We're in the middle of a historic drought. Thanks to beetles, a lot of trees are dead and standing. A lot of grasslands/shrublands are dry. 46% of California is Federal land, over which the State government has no control at all. Historic forest management has been "never let it burn, ever" which turns out to be bad for managing woodlands. Put them all together, and you've got eternal wildfires. On water, see above re: historic drought. Add to that that much of California's fertile land is irrigated, originally by the rivers/canals, now running dry, and now by wells, also running dry. A house in one California town burned down last week or the week before because there was no water available. At all. People in the Central Valley are angry about the state not giving them more water; they want the remaining protected wetlands to run dry so that the farmland can run another year or two. Western water rights, and California water rights in particular, are a tortured mess, in which the people who started drawing from a particular watershed first have "senior rights", and there are tranches of rights based on when you started drawing the water. There are also pre-1914 rights and post-1914 rights, with amazing complexities including "riparian rights". In particular, if you stop drawing your water for five consecutive years, you lose that right entirely, making the land worthless. California. California has just told a lot of farmers that they can't draw water at all this year. This is unpopular. Meanwhile, Trump claimed that we'd be just fine if we raked the forests (A, no, B, mostly not ours) and stopped letting the rivers run to the sea. People like Garrison believe this. e: California absolutely does prescribed burns and management. The problem is that the amount of the year in which you can safely do a controlled burn is diminishing year by year, and there's a hell of a lot of brush to cut, much of which is manual labor.
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Angepain posted:Stonetoss knew exactly what it was trying to be, a cartoony gag comic thinly concealing fascist ideology, and did that. Which made it actively harmful. Sinfest is just... kind of tragic. Ishida genuinely wants to say something meaningful but is so up his own rear end it just comes out as utter garbled nonsense, that never manages to focus on any coherent narrative or statement before he remembers another thing about Society These Days to be mad about that he needs to shoehorn in to whatever is currently going on. I honestly want to know what was the record percentage of an entire year his 'death kills father time on new years' obligatory storyline went on, back before the plots started to blend into a weird soap opera
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Robert Ariail Jeff Danziger  Matt Davies  John Deering  Joe Heller  Clay Jones  Joel Pett  Rob Rogers  Tom Stiglich  Wild guess here, but I'm assuming that's not what Lia Thomas actually looks like.  Gary Varvel 
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Dr. Stab posted:I don't even think it's about Roe. I think it's just more transphobia. I read the sign as saying "I'm a real woman because I have XX chromosomes and a uterus." "Woman = uterus" is a thing transphobes love to say. Yes this is correct, it's a TERF sign, he has still not referenced abortion even obliquely
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Raised By Birds posted:Tom Stiglich Kellies Nomination: Least Concealed Bigotry (LGBT)
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"Holy poo poo, they did that to you for advocating for/talking to someone who advocates for lower taxes?!" "No, not that." "So, deregulation?" "Ha ha no not that either." "So what topics could you have disagreed with them with that made them do this to you?" "Oh, you know the ones."
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Raised By Birds posted:
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Raised By Birds posted:Tom Stiglich  In the mind of the shithead bigot, the final battle for humanity is between giant strong Muslim Mujahid and giant strong trans woman, while the shells of failed ideologies like liberalism, The West, sex binary, and the traditional family are ground like calcified ashes beneath their weirdly obsessively detailed feet. (gently caress off, Stiglich)
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Crosby: his 1938 book 'Would Communism Work Out in America?' is on the Internet Archive: https://archive.org/details/wouldcommunismwo00crosrich/page/290/mode/2up From a brief scan it's all about that dangerous commie FDR and how he's destroying America, but I'm not reading 300 pages of that shite.
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Raised By Birds posted:Jeff Danziger Literally just wiki and check the Russian translation: «Труд делает свободным», «Труд освобождает» or «Работа освобождает». quote:Tom Stiglich Google apparently banned Stanis. And avoiding the obvious self own with "codified" rather than "tried to codify" was too much work. Xander77 fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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Cloud Potato posted:Telegraph: Not pictured: The senior citizens who have already loving died from this heatwave.
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Or people who have to work, who Blower occasionally pretends to care about when he can use it as a dig at the middle class woke from home millennials.
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Cloud Potato posted:Telegraph: This is like some kind of "can you spot 7 mistakes" game. I found open window, no curtains on the sunny side, drinking hot tea, the fan is pointing away from people, they are wearing too much clothes, should turn off the MASSIVE 100" telly because it also creates heat.
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readingatwork posted:I know what he's doing and I know that it sucks but out of context this one is actually pretty funny. May I ask how? I don't see it.
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Nenonen posted:This is like some kind of "can you spot 7 mistakes" game. I found open window, no curtains on the sunny side, drinking hot tea, the fan is pointing away from people, they are wearing too much clothes, should turn off the MASSIVE 100" telly because it also creates heat.
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