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Jul 18, 2022 13:57
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that shadow creature summoned by an evil sword had a family
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My big brain take of the kids fighting scene is that it’s a continuation of Thor ignoring the wishes of children just wanting to be children. He was resistant against calling Axel by his new name because “his old name was strong viking heritage blah blah” and now at the climax guess what kids it’s time for me to ignore you’re kids yet again and tell you about your awesome heritage of being space viking warriors. Their rewards for their bravery and standing up against the monsters? Weapons training with Valkyrie! They’re now well on their way to be the next round of red shirts for our brave heroes to avenge next time a calamity strikes.
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:yes, showing kids casually and delightedly ripping open creatures in violent ways is definitely cool and good Kids love this poo poo. Lighten up.
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Jul 18, 2022 15:07
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JBP posted:Kids love this poo poo. Lighten up. kids love a lot of things that are bad for them lmao, are you for real?
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I played Mortal Kombat when I was 8 and now I'm a hardened serial killer, don't let this happen to others
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LividLiquid posted:Exactly. They're power fantasies for children. You can't start putting child soldier readings on something like that unless the imagery is invoked whether intentionally or unintentionally and it just way wasn't. Superpowers don't exist in real life and they're not metaphors for guns in these flicks. They're metaphors for empowerment and the choices you make when granted same. Villains on the whole choose to use it for lovely reasons and heroes use them for good ones, and a large part of why Marvel works is that it asks those questions and often comes down on the side of "it's a lot more complicated than we think, but right and wrong do exist, and whether we succeed or not, we have to keep trying to do good." Actually it’s super easy to say it was child soldiers considering what Thor LITERALLY tells them before he gives them the power of Thor. Whether it was played as a joke or not it’s literally the text
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JBP posted:Kids love this poo poo. Lighten up. DO THEY???? Imma need a citation on that
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I thought the kids with the power of Thor was awesome. The whole movie is about empowerment and being a good ally which is why its the gayest movie Marvel has made yet. Everything in it is about being empowered.
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Hollismason posted:The whole movie is about empowerment and being a good ally which is why its the gayest movie Marvel has made yet Nope, still Captain Marvel
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Rarity posted:Nope, still Captain Marvel Now, now, while Endgame had a dude talking about being gay, Thor 4 had that blink-and-you'll-miss-it/can-easily-be-removed-for-the-Chinese/Mid-east-audience of the two women together missing their kids.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:My big brain take of the kids fighting scene is that it’s a continuation of Thor ignoring the wishes of children just wanting to be children. He was resistant against calling Axel by his new name because “his old name was strong viking heritage blah blah” and now at the climax guess what kids it’s time for me to ignore you’re kids yet again and tell you about your awesome heritage of being space viking warriors. It's mirroring Thor's own childhood being a babe literally plunging into battle. This is how he relates to being a father and it's how he's treating his new daughter as well. I really did like how this movie challenged and went deep into the running theme of the first 3 Thors, everyone Thor knows dies, and kinda finds a catharsis and answer for it, to still keep his heart open. This movie seems like its opening a new character arc/issue for Thor, how to not be a problematic Dad. Interested to see if they resolve it as well!
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:kids love a lot of things that are bad for them lmao, are you for real? ha hurry up and just say WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN
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Shageletic posted:ha hurry up and just say WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN Anyone who would unironically say that would be way more concerned by the Thor butt and the (mostly theoretical) gayness than about the kids fighting.
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She is. And I guess all rock dudes are dudes so that’s also gay maybe?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:She is. And I guess all rock dudes are dudes so that’s also gay maybe? I wonder if the gay rock guys are a sideways reference to Steven Universe and the Crystal Gems?
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Everyone posted:I wonder if the gay rock guys are a sideways reference to Steven Universe and the Crystal Gems? Honestly I think they literally just wanted a stupid Dwayne “The Rock” joke in there.
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the kid fight scene ruled. Imagine being a child actor and getting to take part in an honest to god superhero fight scene, doing all the signature dumb action stuff like the sliding weapon hand off etc. They're gonna re-watch that poo poo 100000 times.
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The kids were kidnapped by a magic god-killing sword-wielding murderer and the viking god of thunder gave them power to protect themselves from literal monsters and had no imagery whatsoever that invoked the actual practice of forcing children to murder human beings. I'm the chick who earnestly argues, often, that the unintentional politics of a piece of art are still the creator's responsibility, but they have to actually be present for that to be necessary and here they just way weren't. I seriously worry about how much we raise young boys in particular to think that fighting is admirable, but a bunch of tiny children shooting lightning at shadow monsters doesn't have a real-world analog. This cigar is just a cigar.
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LividLiquid posted:I seriously worry about how much we raise young boys in particular to think that fighting is admirable, but a bunch of tiny children shooting lightning at shadow monsters doesn't have a real-world analog. This cigar is just a cigar. Yes. MCU Spider-Man is pretty weird this way, since the setting feels real-world enough that you can't help but feel ways about Raytheon arming a teenager with "instant kill" military tech. But "children defeat shadow monsters with magic" is pretty abstracted from reality. It's honestly less weird to me than Narnia, where an explicit Christ analog arms children and goads them to murder his enemies in a series of conflicts that get more race-coded as the series progresses.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Honestly I think they literally just wanted a stupid Dwayne “The Rock” joke in there. Was Rock mustache guy actually Dwayne Johnson? Xealot posted:
The Aslan Diaries
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Now I understand who those "No children were harmed in the making of this film" disclosures are for.
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Thor wasn't recruiting the children. They were already there. He could have I guess left them to die, but I think empowering them to defend themselves was probably better.josh04 posted:Rock dude with a moustache was a good visual gag. Reminded me of 
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It's saying incredibly little, but this definitely was the gayest marvel movie. You had Val talking about the woman she loved dying and flirting with women, Korg's dads + his own husband at the end. It's barely anything when I list it like that but compared to the rest of marvel, lol. Also I thought the kids getting thor powers was cool. I can imagine some kid afraid of monsters under the bed now imagining their teddy bear empowered with lightning and being able to fight them off.
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Good movie overall. A solid 7.5/10. But I think half the theater must have loudly groaned during the child army scene, and the fact that goons are having so much trouble understanding why, and are bending themselves into pretzels to argue that it was good actually, merely strengthens the criticisms.
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Slow News Day posted:Good movie overall. A solid 7.5/10. The silliest thing about Thor empowering the children was that he could have done that in any of the previous dozen or so films but never did. Imagine the Wakandan guard with the power of Thor.
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gonna take a stab the groans were it was a bit too cheesy for them and not that they were thinking about all the third world 10 year olds taken from their villages and handed a kalishnikov or whatever, nobody in my theatre seemed to have a problem
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LividLiquid posted:Because Ultron took them all over and they didn't exist anymore. I do agree that COVID has made everything feel worse, but the first two phases were just as uneven (Hulk and Iron Man 2 in the first phase, followed by phase 2 which had IM3, Ultron and Thor 2 weighing down the other 3) 4 might look bad because I’d argue that phase 3 went 11/11 and 4 is a bloated mess. Black Widow was good but should have been in another phase, Eternals was just “ok”, and now we’ve got a forgettable Thor 4 we know is being followed up with a really messy Black Panther. Not only that but Phase 4 basically told us that in order to keep up with the continuity, we should also watch all the Disney Plus shows, Inhumans, Agents of Shield, Netflix shows, the Xmen animated series and possibly all the Xmen/F4 movies. Will Blade tell us we need to do the same there? It’s a huge loving undertaking and asking us to potentially give ourselves long COVID in order to possibly enjoy movies in the theatre is a little much.
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Pillowpants posted:Not only that but Phase 4 basically told us that in order to keep up with the continuity, we should also watch all the Disney Plus shows, Inhumans, Agents of Shield, Netflix shows, the Xmen animated series and possibly all the Xmen/F4 movies. No, it didn't. Putting aside that every movie that has followed up on TV show so far has explained everything people who didn't see the show would need to know to follow what the movie is doing, the only things Phase 4 has said you might want to follow to keep up is the new D+ shows. The Netflix shows have transferred to Disney, but the old shows don't seem to be directly informing anything in Phase 4 (not surprising, since it probably wasn't in the plans when they were being made) and we have no idea whether Disney even intends to acknowledge the events of the old shows for the moment. Other shows, such as Agents of Shield, Inhumans and the 90's X-Men animation are getting references at best for the moment. No-one, anywhere has said you need to be intimately familiar with any of them to follow the movies, and they certainly don't expect their entire audience to do so. They never will either, because one of the successes of the movies is that they are accessible to a casual audience where every movie they've made, with one exception (Avengers; Endgame) could be someone's first movie and entry point into the franchise, and it'd still at least explain itself. They include teasers for upcoming films to draw audiences, but they basically never expect audiences will be inherently familiar with anything in a film. They are making movies that capitalize on the events of the D+ shows, and they might even start making movies that capitalize on the events in other shows/films they didn't make (though I think it's unlikely it'll ever go beyond references), but they will never, ever, EVER make movies that expect you to have seen even a handful of those movies and shows, never mind every single one of those things. It'd be financial suicide to do so, because it's pretty obvious only a tiny, tiny slice of their potential or existing audience will have done so or want to do so. And they know it. So it's not going to happen. The only reason I didn't say "they will never, ever, EVER make movies that expects you to have seen even one movie" is because Avengers: Endgame exists, and that was a pretty major exception, given as it was both part 2 of a film on it's own AND the major wrap up for 20 odd previous films. Which, even then, the first part of that film did do some explaining as to the people and events included for new audiences. So even a film acting as the culmination of phase 4+ will probably still do some work to explain the Netflix shows, Fox movies etc. if it acknowledges them. tsob fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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Hell, the people making these shows and movies don’t watch all the marvel poo poo. Just watch what you want! It’s that easy!
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tsob posted:No, it didn't. Putting aside that every movie that has followed up on TV show so far has explained everything people who didn't see the show would need to know to follow what the movie is doing, the only things Phase 4 has said you might want to follow to keep up is the new D+ shows. The Netflix shows have transferred to Disney, but the old shows don't seem to be directly informing anything in Phase 4 (not surprising, since it probably wasn't in the plans when they were being made) and we have no idea whether Disney even intends to acknowledge the events of the old shows for the moment. Other shows, such as Agents of Shield, Inhumans and the 90's X-Men animation are getting references at best for the moment. So, when the Illuminati showed up and you saw the guy from the lovely inhumans show, Peggy Carter as Captain Britain and Monica Rambow as Captain Marvel...they explained why? And when Spiderman gets Daredevil as a lawyer? And when the woman from Falcon and The Winter Soldier shows up to talk to Florence Pugh - you're supposed to recognize her as someone other than Elaine? Hell, the entire premise of Multiverse of Madness relied on you having watched Wandavision Edit: I Don't mind that they do this, and I expect them to have a bad movie every now and then since they make so many....I'm just saying its a lot for some. Pillowpants fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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Pillowpants posted:So, when the Illuminati showed up and you saw Peggy Carter as Captain Britain and Monica Rambow as Captain Marvel...they explained why? Yes? They named all of them, gave their purpose (i.e. to be the Illuminati and a lawyer) and explained their powers in the case of the Illuminati. Daredevil's powers weren't explained, but then again, he was only in the scene as Matt Murdock, lawyer. The brick catch was a reference for fans to laugh at, and so quick that no-one who didn't know the reason would care. Anyone unfamiliar with their previous films/shows would just go "oh, this is who they are". Which is literally all the context those scenes require. The fans who know might get more out of it, but the scenes don't require any more than that to function. Pillowpants posted:And when the woman from Falcon and The Winter Soldier shows up to talk to Florence Pugh - you're supposed to recognize her as someone other than Elaine? The film doesn't expect you to recognize her; any more than it expected audiences to recognize Nick Fury in Iron Man. If people do, great; if they don't though, then it doesn't matter. All you need to know in that scene is that someone is giving Yelena orders to target someone called Hawkeye for killing her sister. The person's identity doesn't matter one iota to that scene, or the film itself. Pillowpants posted:Hell, the entire premise of Multiverse of Madness relied on you having watched Wandavision No, it didn't. They reference WandaVision's events once, and Dr. Strange outright says he doesn't care about it i.e. the audience shouldn't either. Beyond that, the movie explains everything you need to know about Wanda to understand what's happening in the film itself. tsob fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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