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AFewBricksShy posted:https://www.smythkitcars.com/ OMG no. Those to me look like complete trash! Except maybe the Audi with another pass through the design department. Maybe it's my honed (narrow) mind but nothing they make really sells itself except 'we put a box on half a car'.
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I think that is the kit they installed n a bashed up charger on wrench everyday and it looks ok but not something I would do.
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Humphreys posted:OMG no. Those to me look like complete trash! Except maybe the Audi with another pass through the design department. Maybe it's my honed (narrow) mind but nothing they make really sells itself except 'we put a box on half a car'. Yeah thats a big ol' no from me. All of these look exceedingly horrible and cheap looking.
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Jul 15, 2022 17:02
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the charger one looks the best but it's also a cheap looking car anyway
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Jul 15, 2022 18:27
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Seeing stuff like that reminds me that designing things that look good is incredibly difficult.
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Jul 15, 2022 18:56
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Remember the Chris Bangle era BMWs that at the time everyone hated but ended up aging really well? Those kits are not that.
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Jul 15, 2022 18:57
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They get a pass from me since the kits are designed to hit certain price point & degree of difficulty to build. You're not taking the Charger to SEMA, you're taking it to Mopars & Coffee. You're building the bug in the garage with your kid. You're driving the Jetta around town to make people say "there's that guy again". If you get the kit and bodge the install, nobody can tell. If you seriously bodge it and ruin the car, you're out like 4-6 grand tops depending on what the donor car was worth to you. I think the Smyth kits are great for what they are, a fun business for the creator and a fun hobby for the customers.
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Jul 15, 2022 20:54
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That's the one. I actually looked at one at a new car show in Dallas and really liked/wanted it. AFewBricksShy posted:https://www.smythkitcars.com/ They're not bad. I wish they would do one for Crown Vics, but I understand how difficult that would be given the fuel tank location in the later models like mine. It would require removing a chunk of the floor of the body, and a new gas tank. Structurally not a problem, because full frame, but a lot more work. BigPaddy posted:I think that is the kit they installed n a bashed up charger on wrench everyday and it looks ok but not something I would do. I would. Regarding the "how good" question above, watch those vids for a good ide of how the kit is put together. I think they put a decent amount of effort into making body lines and styling match. Not to mention using an OEM tailgate and taillights if at all possible. The Charger one uses a Dakota tailgate and Caravan taillights, if I'm not mistaken BraveUlysses posted:the charger one looks the best but it's also a cheap looking car anyway Well, I mean, it's a Chrysler product. On that note, the new Grand Wagoneer is a big 'ol LOL from me. I'm sorry, a $100K Jeep? That's not a SRT product? I haven't seen a Grand Wagoneer, but I saw a "regular" Wagoneer on the road already. NoWake posted:They get a pass from me since the kits are designed to hit certain price point & degree of difficulty to build. You're not taking the Charger to SEMA, you're taking it to Mopars & Coffee. You're building the bug in the garage with your kid. You're driving the Jetta around town to make people say "there's that guy again". They're certainly better than 90% of the DIY ute attempts (some of which have their own charm for being DIY, of course.)
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BigPaddy posted:Remember the Chris Bangle era BMWs that at the time everyone hated but ended up aging really well? Those kits are not that. The E65 7-series is still ugly as gently caress and always will be.
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PBCrunch posted:The E65 7-series is still ugly as gently caress and always will be. same with e60
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PBCrunch posted:The E65 7-series is still ugly as gently caress and always will be. I think Bangle did his best work on smaller cars. In the early 90's. For Fiat. Even then, 3 doors is the limit. Fiat 145? Great proportions, slick without going blobular. Influenced the 147, one of the nicest looking cars of the 2000s, especially in facelifted form. Fiat Coupe? Busy, but fun in a very early '90s way. Handsome, forward looking, just beefy enough to make you forget how small it really is. Front engine Ferrari proportions in a cheap FF sports coupe. This falls apart on seeing the 146. Imagine how bizarre a 4 door Coupe would look. e: BraveUlysses posted:same with e60 I thought I was the only one!
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madeintaipei posted:Fiat 145? Great proportions, slick without going blobular. Influenced the 147, one of the nicest looking cars of the 2000s, especially in facelifted form. Those are Alfa Romeo, not FIATs.
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Jul 15, 2022 22:14
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 Just build it you cowards. https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/hyundai-rn22e-and-n-vision-74-concepts-revealed
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Puddin posted:
I saw that while looking up the ALFA ROMEO 145. The M1 rides again, in Cyberpunk trim. Fitting for Hyundai to come up with it.
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BraveUlysses posted:same with e60 The M5 looks pretty good imo, the base not so much. The only other acceptable Bangle BMW is the E92.
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Jul 15, 2022 23:27
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Puddin posted:
Love the aesthetics. But the drivetrain is a stake through its heart.
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Jul 15, 2022 23:29
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Yeah it's a complete concept, but either make it EV or bang a 2l turbo in it and it would sell like hotcakes.
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Godholio posted:Love the aesthetics. But the drivetrain is a stake through its heart. Felt the same way about the Audi Quattro concept.  Just bring it back as it, but with updated drivetrain and electronics, please.
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Sign me up for a BEV Hyundai M1 please
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Jul 16, 2022 20:07
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 Spotted at Krogers today. The whole thing was immaculate.
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Puddin posted:
Looks like a shorter Mark 3 Supra. This is not a bad thing. LOL at H2, though. Close enough.
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Darchangel posted:LOL at H2, though. So what's the deal with H2 as a fuel source I've heard two plausible theories that make sense to me 1) hydrogen being pushed by the petrochemical industry as an alternative to batteries, and they can bring their expertise/transportation/storage networks and capitalize on the green wave as a long term strategy 2) Japan has no useful natural resources for battery electric vehicles, in wartime they would be mega hosed by any disruption in battery supply ships, hydrogen can be made anywhere on the planet at any scale. Presumably the hydrogen osmosis barrier thing is not (as) difficult to manufacture If it's not one of these two things I don't know why Toyota has been so anti BEV and keeps betting the farm on hybrids and hydrogen
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How much more explosive is hydrogen vs gasoline? Condition dependent I'm sure, but is one significantly more badder than the other?
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Hadlock posted:So what's the deal with H2 as a fuel source One of the reason why the petrochemical industry are pushing hydrogen is that they want to do it using petrochemicals (blue hydrogen), rather than true green hydrogen that made from water cracking / powered by renewables and nuclear (Nuclear powered hydrogen cracking I believe is called pink hydrogen). https://www.petrofac.com/media/stories-and-opinion/the-difference-between-green-hydrogen-and-blue-hydrogen/ Yeah not exactly a good solution to climate change.
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 Ok yeah actually I do remember reading about this, but I think it was so dumb I blocked it out of my memory Cracking hydrogen from natural gas just seems completely bug poo poo crazy, but I guess if you're living in qutar sitting on the world's biggest bubble of natural gas, you'd rather use it to export a valuable global commodity rather than watch it slowly lose relevance "Blue" hydrogen probably was price competitive against solar seven years ago, I think solar has dropped in price by half since then, and still has a long ways to go down, blue hydrogen might not be financially viable anymore, I dunno. Solar is already naturally cheaper than digging rocks out of the ground and burning them Still doesn't explain why Toyota is spending engineering dollars on this
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Hadlock posted:1) hydrogen being pushed by the petrochemical industry as an alternative to batteries, and they can bring their expertise/transportation/storage networks and capitalize on the green wave as a long term strategy 1) Yeah, petrochem industry. 2) This isn't exclusive to Japan though, isn't everyone digging this battery poo poo out of some far flung and often unpleasant places? Forget wartime, the last few years have shown us what can happen to global supply chains in an instant. My impression was a big part of Japan's hydrogen push is that they had plenty of nuclear power to enable energy independence, cracking as much hydrogen as they cared to. They've bet on this so long that it's become entrenched, but Fukushima has seriously hosed with the programme. Zack Clapman on TST podcast told an excellent story about adventures roadtripping a hydrogen car, and how refilling isn't the fast easy drop in replacement for refilling with petrol we like to think it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U37deOntUgM That's the review, he talks about it more on the podcast. Long story short, big hydrogen tank fills small high pressure "day tank" that fills your cars tank/cell. If there isn't enough pressure in the day tank, it can't fill your car.
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Trying to get away from just using the electricity you were going to use to create hydrogen to just...put into an electric vehicle can't be beat either. The more direct the energy route the better, making an entirely new supply chain for hydrogen when you could just use the electric you already have will never make sense, even if you have to build up your electric.
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TBH I do think our present EV's are transitional - but it's the battery tech that's the transition, not the EV part - and I suspect what we see as a battery in 20 years time will be substantially different to what EV's have now. Hydrogen may or may not work for heavy haulage or that all becomes biofuel sourced, there's clearly some use instances EV's arent really suited to but EV's are the best vehicle for 99% of use cases, the horse has well and truly bolted for the majority for the car fleet to become battery EV and I really doubt hydroegn will ever make any inroads there anymore in that space.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:1) Yeah, petrochem industry. Yeah I think 99% of lithium comes from that one dry lake bed in Bolivia right now. They just literally scrape it off the ground. I think Tesla is running some kind of lithium extraction process on a dry lake bed in socal but not sure if it's actually been any success. But yeah right now single source supplier could kneecap the technology if china decided to invade Bolivia and monopolize it, or whatever Big tank not being able to fill small tank sounds.... Like a solvable problem, hasn't been a set back for the propane industry
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Hadlock posted:
Propane is much easier to store and transport, requiring less pressure and also hydrogen leaks reeeeeeeeal easy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_storage That's a decent primer on the problems of non cryogentic storage and some of the working idea or in place solutions in use now along with their problems.
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Hadlock posted:So what's the deal with H2 as a fuel source Bigger issue: 96% of hydrogen is just sourced from cracked natural gas. So, really just more fossil fuels
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Hadlock posted:Big tank not being able to fill small tank sounds.... Like a solvable problem, hasn't been a set back for the propane industry I mean, sure, but turns out a company who's entire business model is selling hydrogen to hydrogen cars doesn't seem to have solved all the problems yet.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:2) This isn't exclusive to Japan though, isn't everyone digging this battery poo poo out of some far flung and often unpleasant places? Don't read up about 3rd world mining operations for batteries for consumer goods and EVs unless you want to feel really loving bad. I feel like hydrogen is a good alternative purely because it involves less slave labour by virtue of the process itself.
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Baotou, China. Bayan Obo Mining District. Pretty nice place. EDIT: Prime beach property: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_UdqZdFr-w
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BuckyDoneGun posted:That's the review, he talks about it more on the podcast. Long story short, big hydrogen tank fills small high pressure "day tank" that fills your cars tank/cell. If there isn't enough pressure in the day tank, it can't fill your car. See the EV thread - there's a guy in there who has, I believe, a Honda Clarity FC. The car is fine, but the refueling stations are poo poo (California.)
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Cyclekarts are the cover story for this month's Road and Track, twelve page spread starting on p108 (vol 12) was not expecting that.      There is a flat track event happening in mid august in my area (east coast) but I don't think mine will be ready in time. The photos are from a track in the seattle area.
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