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No Dignity posted:USS Picard Speech NCC 1701-HOW MANY DOES IT TAKE, ADMIRAL?
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Binare Ship: USS 01100110 01110101
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Jul 19, 2022 22:42
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An entire class of ships named after lines of dialogue Sisko shouted at people USS Are You Questioning The Validity Of My Plan?!
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No Dignity posted:USS Picard Speech You raise an interesting point: why isn't there a USS Kirk in 2399?
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Jul 19, 2022 22:48
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Allen Steele's Coyote Rising had a ship called WHU Spirit of Social Collectivism Carried to the Stars.
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Jul 19, 2022 22:50
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Arglebargle III posted:You raise an interesting point: why isn't there a USS Kirk in 2399? It is a hospital ship for sexually transmitted diseases, it rarely goes to the front lines. EDIT: Or a psych ward for AI's and artificial lifeforms with suicidal tendencies.
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Jul 19, 2022 22:50
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Arglebargle III posted:You raise an interesting point: why isn't there a USS Kirk in 2399? How many of the ships Kirk captained weren't destroyed in battle?
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Jul 19, 2022 22:51
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Also now Bajor is in the Federation USS Your Pah Is Weak My Child
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Burning_Monk posted:Binare Ship: USS 01101110 01100001 01101000 00100000 01100110 01110101
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No Dignity posted:How many of the ships Kirk captained weren't destroyed in battle? This means that Kirk had two of the four ships he captained destroyed, both of which were scuttled by his direct command, and a third survived a water landing and was probably decommissioned. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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Jul 19, 2022 23:10
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Arivia posted:I'm curious what you mean by this. I'm trying to slowly do my first end to end watch of TNG ever and I am finding it oddly difficult, like I'm in the last third of S3 (and I have seen BoBW before) but there's a part of me that's like this is boring, skip to DS9/VOY. I think in general, you have the fact that Gene Roddenberry had more influence at the beginning of TNG than he had over the original series, in a large part because during the original series he was just one weird guy among many, but in the creation of TNG, he was the visionary to recreate the glory of the old show, so his weirder ideas could shine. And he had a whole lot more weirder ideas at the time because he was older and full of drugs and that rotted a lot of his brain. And there was also that earlier post about him playing dirty with other writers, but I don't know a lot more details about that. And that manifested with the series renewal that somehow wanted to avoid most reusing old races and pre-established elements, nearly nullifying the point of a series revival. You have the series pushing a lot harder on the idea of there being no internal strife, not just between the members of the crew, but throughout the Federation; this is where a lot of the post-scarcity "utopian" stuff comes in that the franchise otherwise just kinda awkwardly mills around not really knowing how to deal with. That dedication to a lack of friction is hard to write around, leaving the initial cast kind of awkwardly stiff and formal. And this leaves stories having to put a lot more weight on the weird sci-fi elements of the current episode, rather than relying on interplay between the established cast. And a lot of the sci-fi premises of the early seasons are kinda weaker and more abstract, possibly from a lack of other writers with clout towards the beginning. You also have Roddenberry at his most uncontrollably irretrievable horniness, which is...not very conducive to the cast figuring out their chemistry in the beginning. And personally, I didn't really watch through the whole series, but I do know that by the end of the show, you have all these characters who you can really believe are friends that hang out together. You have the characters who have more internal struggles and friction rather than being totally consummate professionals. The Federation as a whole is really teetering on the brink of war, and often falling short of its own ideals, and having to deal with bad eggs in its own basket. One of the best things TNG did was dive into and explore Klingon politics, which takes a really long time into the series to actually get rolling; the biggest development is at the end of season 4. And then DS9 and Voyager took those ideas of what TNG started as and what it later became and consolidated them by saying "okay, yes the Federation internally is a utopia with no problems, but we are as physically distant from it as possible, which is how we can still have problems and friction." I guess DS9 at least caveats the utopia with some skepticism. zoux posted:Right, but why would the American Revolution be a significant event to people living in the 24th century? The Hundred Years war was a pretty big loving deal for the order of power in Europe, but do most Americans 600 years later know even one thing about it? Would you know what the USS Sluys was referring to? USS Crécy? It was the point where modern democracy got invented. And while we've never seen voting in the Federation, I think they draw a lot of influence from American government, for better or worse. And the parts that are less American government and more based on the UN still carry all the American influence in the creation of the UN.
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Also I left out USS Agincourt because that is something more people have heard of 
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dr_rat posted:Pretty sure it was actually: USS 00110110 00111001
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A.o.D. posted:
Kirk didn't really command the Constellation, though. And I assume the Bounty was shipped off to Starfleet Intelligence and stripped.
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CPColin posted:USS 00110110 00111001 U.S.S 01101110 01101001 01100011 01100101 A ship to very much hold up Starfleet ideals!!!
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SlothfulCobra posted:It was the point where modern democracy got invented. And while we've never seen voting in the Federation, I think they draw a lot of influence from American government, for better or worse. And the parts that are less American government and more based on the UN still carry all the American influence in the creation of the UN. You can argue that America started modern democracy in ridding all of the hereditary bits, but modern government and the way that it works and all the structures and way laws and judiciary and branches and almost all the definitions and concepts and everything was largely evolved into existence by many European powers but most prominently the British over the course of about about thousand years (which is why of course they don't have a single constitutional document writing down how it works) and in place well before the American revolution, America largely took it wholesale, codified it, and adjusted a few bits to fit their new ideas. And much of the world did the same but with even less tweaks. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:USS Drop Tables gently caress off Romulan
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Cross-Section posted:https://twitter.com/BuckAdmiral/status/1549070536680292353?s=20&t=9Io-zUVKXGxSJGZIGln5ow
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I'm rewatching All Good Things and this is the first time I've noticed that future Data uses contractions.
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Detective No. 27 posted:I'm rewatching All Good Things and this is the first time I've noticed that future Data uses contractions. So does present Data https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY1KdQNodN0
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My fanon is that Riker was wrong when he pointed out holographic Data using contractions as suspicious, like how Keiko was wrong when she was suspicious of the faked recording because it showed Miles drinking coffee in the evening. He just never had anyone tell him he was wrong
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Worf posted:So they're named after towns that were named after people named after a thing/person that's even older than 1500 years you mean? I don't think this is a gotcha lol Human names are a different thing because they're constantly renewed, reused, and have long lost any reference to the origin of the name.
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Ehhh, the majority of those are from season 1, so it's clearly a retcon once they got a better understanding of the character. And with a dozen writers I'm sure a few gently caress ups were bound to happen. Some of those could be easily explained by him acting. In one, he's quoting Sherlock Holmes. In another situation, he's doing the "honey, I'm home" bit, still a form of "acting." Which is reinforced when he out of character gets angry and gives her the "You're not my mother" bit. (That kills me every time.) The closest analogy I can think of is when an actor is giving lines they learned phonetically in a language they don't know. Also, I couldn't tell if it was the person who made that montage speeding things up slightly to get around the copyright AIs or if they're deliberately trying to misrepresent things. Some of those lines sounded off. I compared the s6 clip with the itunes version and the subtitles say "I have" but it's kinda vague if he was saying "I've" or "I have" really quickly. He's not using them for the rest of the scene. The timestamp the YouTube montage gives is off by a couple minutes too. 
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At the pace these things were being put out, a misreading of "can not" into "can't" is bound to be missed a few times, probably because it wouldn't sound wrong unless you were specifically looking for it.
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MikeJF posted:You can argue that America started modern democracy in ridding all of the hereditary bits, but modern government and the way that it works and all the structures and way laws and judiciary and branches and almost all the definitions and concepts and everything was largely evolved into existence by many European powers but most prominently the British over the course of about about thousand years (which is why of course they don't have a single constitutional document writing down how it works) and in place well before the American revolution, America largely took it wholesale, codified it, and adjusted a few bits to fit their new ideas. And much of the world did the same but with even less tweaks. It's only an insignificant step if there are no significant steps. There was a world of difference when they set up a system just without a monarch in the loop and stated in clear terms the idea that the government was supposed to be of the people. Previous attempts at republics without monarchs often didn't have any real pretense to democracy, and it sort of only popped up by accident as an afterthought that could easily be abandoned without the principle being there. But also for some reason I feel like the people of Star Trek might really care about the idea of a constitution, I dunno.
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:At the pace these things were being put out, a misreading of "can not" into "can't" is bound to be missed a few times, probably because it wouldn't sound wrong unless you were specifically looking for it. no it is a GIANT PLOT HOLE I swear to god I read about this somewhere but have you guys ever heard the fan theory that every episode of TNG post "Brothers" took place in Data's head to deal with the trauma of killing the crew after locking them out of the computer forever because the computer recorded the wrong password during his total lockout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNrWgjh9tnU
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Data has a photographic memory, and the computer displayed the password onscreen when he was looking at it. Given his established capabilities there's no way that'd be a problem
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zoux posted:no it is a GIANT PLOT HOLE I don’t know if it was brought up elsewhere, but it was definitely included in one of the TNG Nitpickers Guides.
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Zaroff posted:I don’t know if it was brought up elsewhere, but it was definitely included in one of the TNG Nitpickers Guides. That's probably where I saw it, I loved those things
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The contraction at the end of Datalore though absolutely deserves mockery
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MikeJF posted:Kirk didn't really command the Constellation, though. And I assume the Bounty was shipped off to Starfleet Intelligence and stripped. Who was in charge of the Constellation when it flew into the Doomsday Machine and self destructed? MikeJF posted:You can argue that America started modern democracy in ridding all of the hereditary bits, but modern government and the way that it works and all the structures and way laws and judiciary and branches and almost all the definitions and concepts and everything was largely evolved into existence by many European powers but most prominently the British over the course of about about thousand years (which is why of course they don't have a single constitutional document writing down how it works) and in place well before the American revolution, America largely took it wholesale, codified it, and adjusted a few bits to fit their new ideas. And much of the world did the same but with even less tweaks. The US can also take credit for the modern understanding of a constitution that places prior restraint upon the government and clearly delineates the powers of that government. To this day the British parliament has no prior restraints on its power.
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One of the few episodes I even knew was poo poo as a kid
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Where does ol Bev rank amongst the docs? Sub rosa sure but “Remember Me” is an all timer.
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Beverly is like 3rd or 4th best doctor. Honestly Enterprise Phlox was actually really loving interesting and cool. The best doctor is just The Doctor on Voyager though. He's the most interesting. The Doctor Bones Phlox Bashir Beverly Whoever that doctor is in Discovery.
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It’s hard to draw a fair comparison since we’ve only got 10 episodes of SNW, but roughly I’d rank them The Doctor Phlox Bones Bashir M’Benga Crusher T’Ana Culber Jurati, if she counts
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