Feliday Melody posted:

Deadtear has a mountain?

Zodium posted:

Alex will start by laying groundwork through pulling on his network to downplay and diffuse the details and emotional impact. Then, he'll return as a professor emeritus sort of regular member, just hanging and shooting the poo poo, being a cool guy who's learned his lesson now. Finally, when the organization next comes under pressure, he'll sigh, and ever so reluctantly respond to the membership's growing calls for his triumphant return to leadership.

playbook.txt

Zodium posted:

Alex will start by laying groundwork through pulling on his network to downplay and diffuse the details and emotional impact. Then, he'll return as a professor emeritus sort of regular member, just hanging and shooting the poo poo, being a cool guy who's learned his lesson now. Finally, when the organization next comes under pressure, he'll sigh, and ever so reluctantly respond to the membership's growing calls for his triumphant return to leadership.

playbook.txt

Zodium posted:

Alex will start by laying groundwork through pulling on his network to downplay and diffuse the details and emotional impact. Then, he'll return as a professor emeritus sort of regular member, just hanging and shooting the poo poo, being a cool guy who's learned his lesson now. Finally, when the organization next comes under pressure, he'll sigh, and ever so reluctantly respond to the membership's growing calls for his triumphant return to leadership.

playbook.txt

Zodium posted:

Alex will start by laying groundwork through pulling on his network to downplay and diffuse the details and emotional impact. Then, he'll return as a professor emeritus sort of regular member, just hanging and shooting the poo poo, being a cool guy who's learned his lesson now. Finally, when the organization next comes under pressure, he'll sigh, and ever so reluctantly respond to the membership's growing calls for his triumphant return to leadership.

playbook.txt

Vanadium posted:

Hey could people who screenshot goonfleet dot com forums content please make their browser window a bit narrower, it's a pain to read on a phone if I have to scroll sideways all the time, ty

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

I wonder if anyone has ever unironically purchased wallpaper past like 1980. I'd rather live in a house that is painted Landlord White in every room than have to deal with wallpaper. Well, maybe not the bedrooms.

andromache posted:

Warning, the more often you read this, the madder you get.

https://www.pcgamer.com/eve-onlines-most-notorious-player-has-quit-the-game/

Good Dumplings posted:

lol and lmao






tag yourself, I'm the part where banned delta posters are "assholes beyond the pale"

Herstory Begins Now posted:

uh i havbe it on good authority that him voluntarily loving off for 4 days means he's been permanently disavowed

Vanadium posted:

Hey could people who screenshot goonfleet dot com forums content please make their browser window a bit narrower, it's a pain to read on a phone if I have to scroll sideways all the time, ty

Vanadium posted:

Hey could people who screenshot goonfleet dot com forums content please make their browser window a bit narrower, it's a pain to read on a phone if I have to scroll sideways all the time, ty

Stereotype posted:

hey theadj tell me what i did to get banned.

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

probably being a big dumb crybaby lmao

FirstnameLastname posted:

I apologize - I'm not intending to cause chaos at all or throw out petty stuff involving real things that hurt people in an attempt to mischaracterize anyone. I'm going to be more careful with what I say because I don't want anything to get out of control and I don't want it to lose focus and turn into a nonsense-fest - I am not used to people listening to what I say and doing things because of it, I've never been in this kind of position, it kind of scares me, and i don't wanna cause bad things or put out stuff that is untrue or violates people's privacy.


Everything that I've posted in either thread, or on Reddit, is all stuff that was obtained through Google or searching these forums, using EVE usernames - I don't want this being seen as some kind of harassment thing so that it gets shut down, because it feels like that's what's going on, not that it's happening but that people are making those kind of attempts here and there -

I'm sorry brisc for calling you out: I was attempting to, and yeah I'm just straight up telling you my plan here, this is the only reason I brought you up at all cheggitout: "okay so I've just found proof that the leader of this organization has been harboring a pedophile for a decade and here is one of his good friends and most publicly known affiliates, and I'm going to tell him straight to his face, in a thread he's just responded to a post by me and is answering other people's questions, because now he has to either respond or the lack of response speaks for itself.
Why? Because it gives you the opportunity to either go oh whoa holy poo poo All right I'm done with him, or dig in and show that it's a loyalty based operation and not a morality-based one. You cannot have both."

I did not think that it would provoke anyone to try to, I don't even know what, like dude I don't know your name I don't even know your real name. I know you're a right wing politics guy, that's it. No one is building up a chart for blood wars or whatever.
Someone trying to gently caress with you in real life never crossed my mind, and I have never been in this situation before, and I hope that wasn't somebody motivated by me. Don't mess with brisc, don't mess with anybody, it's mean.

I never imagined that this would get this degree of attention, I've never been.a kinda unofficial spokesperson to a large amount of people and feel like I've become one when it comes to this issue and real life harassment was the very last thing in my mind when I was saying anything.

Fwiw to give better context, that post was for providing the info about BFM as a request from people earlier in the last thread who hadn't seen enough of it together to see how real it was, incl <SNIGG> leadership, since hey'd asked for stronger connected proof into the allegations

I want to make extra clear that I'm not at all suspecting them of, nor accusing them of intentionally protecting/harboring BFM, he's an extremely deceptive person and the only reason I've been able to establish it's the same guy and that he actually did this stuff is because I was around him before the pedo poo poo

Also a bunch of this post isn't a direct reply to you but is just stuff that I want to clear up while I'm writing this post

that part about mittani saying that piece I went into a tangent on, I don't mean to look like I'm seeing stuff where there isn't, there's an added factor:

I had just before posting that, been shown a second log from March 4, 2011, which was taken as a part of the internal investigation, taken by Vilerat, where mittani and a non-goonfleet member discussed the event with a third party in much, much greater detail while blatantly showing zero concern for the victim, and has him treating the extremely disturbing details discussed in it with a combination of disregard, detail-fishing, and as a joke.

This unposted log is from March 4 2011, the log I posted itt is from Jan 05 2016

I can't post it or go into any greater detail than that publicly out of respect for the victim's privacy and for all of your mental health, but it's no good. I'm willing to send it to you for verification but I'm not going to go into extra detail on it it or to anyone else - it's not illegal content, it's only text, but it's disgusting.

Reading it had me hosed up and my thought process on seeing that clearly disingenuous message by him in that log I'd posted had my thought process short-circuit past the "hey! everyone else does not know this extra info, just me, and I cannot & will not share that part openly!!" step.

Without that added context I see how it reads like I'm making base assumptions off of just those couple messages by him & his patten of other behavior, and then pushing a narrative

i.e automatically assuming he had no concern for the victim without hesitation and then calling it out off of a gut-feeling, or using a terrible thing to fuel spaceship drama as he's claiming his reason for telling people to 'drop it' on her behalf( with no substantiated evidence of her ever communicating that to anybody)

That's not what I do and I don't want to look like I'm doing that because that's trashy.

The focus of that post was on BFM. However coming across that message made me furious at yet another display of carefully triangulated maneuvering on the part of Mittani motivated by his own interest of self-preservation even if those interests happened to line up with the interests of someone who intentionally created an unimaginable amount of hurt, anguish, & fear for a minor in his community

4 years afterwards it'd happened in 2011, Mittani makes jokes about it, then 8 years after it happening,2016. his only concern about it seems to be PR blowback from the situation gaining attention and being followed back to the goonfleet.com forums where much of the abuse occurred and was distributed, involving multiple members, not only BFM -

this is not something that was the norm there, I want to remind people who don't know that I was active in the goonfleet/swarm corp and community de facto from 05-09, 21-22, and have been connected to people in the community the entire time I wasn't in it,
many of my best friends on the internet are people that I met through goonfleet

I'm not trying to start a "they're a pedophile cult" chant: this is not about space politics and never was

I'm really not calling out the base membership at all, I'm not even calling out most of the leadership, I'm calling out a few people who have done some bad stuff and two pedophiles - it's not a thing where after them it'll switch to someone else, it's just them

This was the only eve community I've ever been part of, and I'm absolutely not calling my buddies all criminals

I was trying to add another checked box to the systemic coverups/suppression/counterpropoganda related to any scandal of any kind, which seems to have started around 2012, at fanfest, with a wizard hat, and that style then continued, uncontrolled and unfiltered, and remains as long as the leaders are showing up to host his twitch stream and the organization doesn't have a process of "de-Mittanization" ala Nikita Khrushchev & the USSR: The stuff needs to be put out in the open, it needs to be unequivocally denounced, it needs to be acknowledged to have happened, and then it needs to be left. Remembered, but not there.



Lots of clarifying here, I apologize for how many times I'm having to say that

In every one of these things that has happened:
i'm saying bad poo poo was done by in this instance under ten people, with one being the main instigator, and this one has nothing to do with leadership afaik


I'm not 100% certain on the timeline of this period, but as far as my understanding goes, Vile Rat (rip) was still in the process of gathering the info of the grooming/abuse when he passed, and I believe that's when the handling of this was all disrupted and investigation/evidence collection wasn't able to by completed or delivered to authorities after that - not an intentional coverup. If anyone still has any more of that evidence, it could be extremely helpful.

I don't feel that there was a intentional conspiracy to do or enable BFM to do this stuff.
I don't think that there was an immediate attempt to cover it up, was a combination of events that were out of anyone's control, neglect and selfishness on the part of some, incompetence on the part of others, and the difficulty of connecting all of it when you joined after it'd happened and don't know where to really look or who to ask


afaik the police report made by solo was detailing the images being distributed and did not have the details on the grooming/abuse as they weren't fully unveiled at the time - if anybody has any information on this, I'm not trying to go after the handling of this part, I just am trying to fill in gaps. Any time I'm asking questions, I'm legit asking them, I'm not doing that Fod news guy 'Are YOU a terroris" thing.

i know most members and directors are just people and didn't sign up to an mmo to handle this stuff. It's not their 'job,' and it's a lot of very unsettling, complicated work.

Not trying to go after people who made mistakes, forgot, were tricked, etc. Only the actual bad actors.

Also for the record I have not contacted anyone, at all, about this privately: every single conversation had on this stuff has been initiated by the other party

I haven't asked anyone to contact anyone, outside of official contact channels to spread awareness of this stuff to CCP, Pearl Abyss, INN affiliates and law enforcement if relevant; and I've asked that if people do contact anybody, to be polite. I've never wanted to lead an angry mob around, I'm not trying to, and I'll be much more careful with what I say, because I do not want to unintentionally encourage people to do stuff that hurts and upsets people, that's against everything I stand for

I'm going to be much more careful with what I say because I don't want to instigate the wrong stuff and I'm realizing that some people are listening to what I say seriously and I've never had that kinda platform before and it scares me so please people don't do stuff that annoys folks or scares them. I don't ever wanna instigate that kind of stuff.
his isn't a call for vigilante justice or vengeance or anything like that, and it never has been. Pls be kind, anonymity and anger are a bad mix.


Edit: I'm fuckin mostly. not entirely, talking to you, redditors. I think it's some misguided well-intentioned or selfishly trying to exploit this for "metagaming" advantage and that's one of the things I'm tryna stop


Believe women over spaceship mans. Protect children over spaceship man's. Don't harass over spaceship mans. Don't hide crimes and commit crimes and tolerate racism and sexism and pedophiles and people putting in 18 hour days and clearly killing themselves but gee they keep the structures fueled - think about the person.


you need to put real life first no spaceship kingdom justifies this behavior

I've seen a few who are tryin to run counterspin. not so much here, but j see it on Reddit really hard, it's probably the worst place to discuss this stuff. It's locked down, they autoinvis my posts & comments lol



you know who I mean, but I'm not saying it. y'all talk one way & pretty different on that discord not talkin about leadership, any individual, or the whole group but you guys are fake. as. gets. Please do not inquire as to whom I refer and do not do anything bc watch the harassment will either stop or go up bc it's a small amount of people and I doubt they're from here because it's not a thing this forum is about at all and everyone here knows that lol - Do Not Harass that was the whole point,

I've seen "first they were the victim, now they've become what they hate" - type poo poo WAY too often on Reddit yeah I read reddit it's really bad, neat for obscure interests and stuff tho

Now let's see that pattern of harassment drop off please

Stereotype posted:

no he is probably scared of me

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

hmmm yes, true.

you are very scary

Zodium posted:

Mittani's cult is a tiny weird little group inside GS. It is not GS. The institutional leadership can't disavow and ban Mittani without severely compromising the organization's stability and causing Alex to burn it down. Because the non-cult leadership are stability-oriented institution builders, they are extremely averse to taking actions that would compromise organizational stability, but if they don't disavow and permaban him while they have the power to do so, they'll learn what happens to pragmatic institution builders when Dear Leader comes back.

Zodium posted:

Mittani's cult is a tiny weird little group inside GS. It is not GS.

Stereotype posted:

also if they were banning big dumb crybabies they would immediately run out of members

Syndic Thrass posted:

same

Stereotype posted:

globby shut the gently caress up

DurrHurrHurr posted:

The biggest tell is going to be if they keep using the INN Twitch channel that generates him revenue.

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

listen, being disavowed in public automatically means you're not controlling what's going on, this is proven fact

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

here you go

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

ignore my last post, meant to post this

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

probably being a big dumb crybaby lmao

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

pretty sure that the pubbie line members are super supportive of mittani, guessing by the nearly 400 posts that are commemorating his 'death' meanwhile all the complaints and genuine concern are coming from the leadership or greater citizen class of members.

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

most people don't cry in public

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

from the guy that regularly says the n word as early as 6 months ago

why are you even posting here

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

yes sir sorry sir no more complaints sir

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

this is a problem that's easily resolvable- the ownership of twitch channels can be changed relatively easily, especially multi user platforms.

i doubt mittani controlled the revenue directly anyway.

TheWeedNumber posted:

Stereotype posted:

hey theadj tell me what i did to get banned.

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

pretty sure that the pubbie line members are super supportive of mittani, guessing by the nearly 400 posts that are commemorating his 'death' meanwhile all the complaints and genuine concern are coming from the leadership or greater citizen class of members.

Zodium posted:

The pubbies are reward oriented. They don't care about Mittani at all, because they have no idea who he really is, he's just text and images on their screen. What they care about is participating in and benefiting from the well-oiled machine they've been told Mittani was responsible for building. He isn't, and he never was. If the institution builders can stop being naive, become aware of the limitations to their pragmatic instincts, and act to short circuit his playbook by unequivocally disavowing and permabanning him, there's a small chance of righting the ship. But as that PC Gamer article shows, the windows of opportunity are already closing.

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

this is a problem that's easily resolvable- the ownership of twitch channels can be changed relatively easily, especially multi user platforms.

i doubt mittani controlled the revenue directly anyway.

DurrHurrHurr posted:

To my understanding it's all held under a company that he owns.