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True. If I was going to make more Aubrey Maturin films or television I'd try to get the HMS Rose out again because A: she's a regular sailor and B: she's downright gorgeous. But my heart knows that any new stuff will cut corners by using poorly composited CGI outsourced to three dozen overworked VFX houses. It's not that there's no craft to CGI, but it is clear that the industry is a mill that grinds talent into dust and it's affecting the final product.
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Jul 22, 2022 16:13
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withak posted:Anime is poison. This is a cursed monkey paw wish being granted.
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Jul 22, 2022 16:18
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Mods read the King's Laws and then flog these weebs. *touches knuckle to forehead*
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Jul 22, 2022 17:45
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freebooter posted:For sure but it's weird the death happened almost but not quite at the end of the Napoleonic wars In the modern TV era it would be really, really hard to do a show where female leads show up two episodes a year.
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Jul 23, 2022 00:23
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Arglebargle III posted:In the modern TV era it would be really, really hard to do a show where female leads show up two episodes a year. Parallel shorebound and at sea storylines. The whole season is the women undoing all the damage their husbands did when they were on shore for 6 weeks 2 years ago. Season ends with Jack banging open the door, Sophie we're saved, there's silver in the hills!
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Jul 23, 2022 01:10
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I've finally gotten around to reading this, and while I'm only a very little way into the first book, I'm enjoying the vibe so far! Only one concern: I've just gotten to the part where Mr Baldick gives descriptions of the remaining crew of the Sophie, and his note about Mr Marshall's "buggery" makes me concerned about how a gay (?) character will be handled in a book published in 1969 and taking place in 1800. I'm not exactly hoping for great representation or anything, and I'll end up reading the book one way or another, but I'm not in the mood for like, the Villainous Bisexual or something of that nature at the moment. How much should I be steeling myself?
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Jul 23, 2022 02:46
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Kestral posted:I've finally gotten around to reading this, and while I'm only a very little way into the first
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Jul 23, 2022 02:54
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Kestral posted:I've finally gotten around to reading this, and while I'm only a very little way into the first It's fine. The narrator and main characters are sympathetic to homosexual characters even if society isn't. Really, as a Tory who runs a tight ship you'd think Jack would have harsher views but he's always willing to like so I suppose it fits his character.
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Jul 23, 2022 03:37
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:It’s handled quite well I think for 1969. If you can handle the word ‘buggery’ you’ll be fine. As I gay man I was never uncomfortable reading the books. Keep in mind though that they are written very much about 18th century characters with 18th century outlooks and mores, not essentially modern characters transplanted to 1797, as is often the case with historical fiction. It’s a hard and beautiful but occasionally brutal world. To me, the fact that the characters are so much of their time is what makes the series so special. Arglebargle III posted:It's fine. The narrator and main characters are sympathetic to homosexual characters even if society isn't. Really, as a Tory who runs a tight ship you'd think Jack would have harsher views but he's always willing to like so I suppose it fits his character. Perfect, thanks! I can handle period-appropriate depictions as long as the author isn't deliberately mean-spirited about it, like the old Sinister Bisexual trope. Now I just have to print out a cheat sheet of nautical terminology to reference while I listen to the audiobook, oh my god words
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Jul 23, 2022 03:45
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Part of the fun is being just as confused about how a ship works as Dr. Maturin. After about 6 books you’ll start to understand what’s going on.
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Jul 23, 2022 04:00
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If anything the books sometimes veer hard into Robert Eggers-style alien historiography where one character is "charmed" by another's pederasty or whatever. But I'm only halfway through the series so I can't vouch for how things go in the latter half. If anything it's a nice reminder for me (if one were needed) that despite my love of the main cast of characters we're still talking about the totally rotten social order of 19th century Britain. With few exceptions most characters behave consistently within the context of their time period and class, which makes for some uncanny reading at times.
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Jul 23, 2022 04:01
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I found it very realistic that Jack disagrees with Stephen about slavery and resolves this issue by never bringing it up around Stephen for 20 years. I also think it's realistic that the British are ambivalent about slavery: willing to tolerate it in foreigners but also fiercely proud of the idea that setting foot on British ships or land makes a slave free. You see both perspectives in the books, from English aristocrats who can quote contemporary authors on the moral benefits of slavery (and Killick who is perfectly happy to buy a woman) to common sailors who turn down prize money because it would shame England to not free captured slaves, to men like Maturin who are angry abolitionists. Jack sees slavery as an uncomfortable theoretical discussion and doesn't get on Stephen's wavelength until he's assigned to the West Africa squadron and has to witness it up clsoe. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Jul 23, 2022 |
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Jul 23, 2022 04:22
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Kestral posted:Perfect, thanks! I can handle period-appropriate depictions as long as the author isn't deliberately mean-spirited about it, like the old Sinister Bisexual trope. Now I just have to print out a cheat sheet of nautical terminology to reference while I listen to the audiobook, oh my god words There are a few evil gays later in the series, and I think it's at least intimated that some characters (not Jack or Stephen) attribute their evil to their sexuality, but by and large (note: phrase of nautical origin) I think the authorial viewpoint is pretty drat liberated for its time. Mr Marshall in particular is cast as one of the more sympathetic officers of the Sophie and, while he's not infrequently a source of comedy, that derives more from his Scottish accent than his sexuality. I can recall one officer a little later in the series whose sexuality is an open secret in the Navy; Jack only disapproves of him because he has affairs with men under his command, thereby undermining ship's discipline and efficiency.
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Jul 23, 2022 05:06
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Amazon or Netflix series adapting 2-3 books per season would be ideal, but it’s such a niche subject. People like us ITT love it but really there aren’t too many of us. Also filming on the water is insanely challenging and difficult. So you guys saying it would have to be a ton of VFX are right. It may be a bit too pessimistic, but I think the best we might hope for is a feature film about the life of Lord Nelson* or something like that. A large studio might view a big-budget period piece single film, as a better possibility for profit than a cable series. *- I may or may not have been half-heartedly working on something like this for a few years
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Jul 23, 2022 05:16
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Call it Victory on the Nile and market it to Agatha Christie fans who don't know better.
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Jul 23, 2022 05:30
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Arglebargle III posted:It's fine. The narrator and main characters are sympathetic to homosexual characters even if society isn't. Really, as a Tory who runs a tight ship you'd think Jack would have harsher views but he's always willing to like so I suppose it fits his character. At one point Jack says something like he thinks it is bad for discipline but he doesn't like to see an otherwise good sailor punished for it.
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Jul 23, 2022 05:40
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Kestral posted:I've finally gotten around to reading this, and while I'm only a very little way into the first As others have said, where gay men appear in the series the main protagonists are invariably tolerant of their sexuality, although as you'd expect in the time period, the rules of their society don't let anything be expressed freely. From a modern point of view Jack's position would be unacceptable, since as an authority figure he helps sanction men for what we now know to be perfectly fine, and his views and language around homosexuality are outdated. But both he and Stephen are shown to hold nothing personally against anyone they know or believe to be gay, and characters who do exhibit serious homophobic behaviour are mostly shown to be thicko bigots. There are a few instances of casual homophobic language I suppose, seamen calling each other buggers as a term of abuse etc. Mr Marshall for example is treated sympathetically, the main impact of his sexuality on the character and plot is centred on the fear of exposure and the personal strain that places on him. Interested to hear your view once you've read the book. OpenlyEvilJello posted:There are a few evil gays later in the series, and I think it's at least intimated that some characters (not Jack or Stephen) attribute their evil to their sexuality, but by and large (note: phrase of nautical origin) I think the authorial viewpoint is pretty drat liberated for its time. Mr Marshall in particular is cast as one of the more sympathetic officers of the Sophie and, while he's not infrequently a source of comedy, that derives more from his Scottish accent than his sexuality. I can recall one officer a little later in the series whose sexuality is an open secret in the Navy; Jack only disapproves of him because he has affairs with men under his command, thereby undermining ship's discipline and efficiency. Reference the 'evil gays', yes there are two men who are in a relationship together who are villains, but they never exhibit any of the markers commonly seen on page or screen of that trope. They never leer over any straight men or exhibit particularly predatory behaviour. Sexuality does play a role in the spy intrigue that leads to their downfall, but really I think the fact they're gay is mostly in there as a marker which explains, partly, why they are willing to put themselves beyond the pale of their (British upper-class) society and become villains.
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Jul 23, 2022 10:44
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freebooter posted:For sure but it's weird the death happened almost but not quite at the end of the Napoleonic wars Yeah I’d absolutely prefer it to be done high budget streaming show style. 12 episodes a season. I reckon you could do the first 2 books in season 1 - very possibly 3 but that might be a stretch because 3 is quite packed from memory.
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Jul 23, 2022 13:33
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withak posted:At one point Jack says something like he thinks it is bad for discipline but he doesn't like to see an otherwise good sailor punished for it. And that, IIRC, is specifically because it's a captain having relations with a member of his crew, which definitely is something likely to give rise to problems. Interestingly, he paints the crew as generally thinking their captain is a good one despite his inclination, and one of the officers fights a duel with an officer of another ship who insulted the captain. I cannot for the life of me remember what book this all takes place in, somewhere in the middle of the series I think. I think for an author writing in the mid-to-later part of the 20th century, aiming to provide a realistic window into the early part of the 19th century, it's quite progressive.
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Jul 23, 2022 14:47
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Kylaer posted:And that, IIRC, is specifically because it's a captain having relations with a member of his crew, which definitely is something likely to give rise to problems. Interestingly, he paints the crew as generally thinking their captain is a good one despite his inclination, and one of the officers fights a duel with an officer of another ship who insulted the captain. I cannot for the life of me remember what book this all takes place in, somewhere in the middle of the series I think. Book 4.
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Jul 24, 2022 01:27
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Genghis Cohen posted:Reference the 'evil gays', yes there are two men who are in a relationship together who are villains, but they never exhibit any of the markers commonly seen on page or screen of that trope. They never leer over any straight men or exhibit particularly predatory behaviour. Sexuality does play a role in the spy intrigue that leads to their downfall, but really I think the fact they're gay is mostly in there as a marker which explains, partly, why they are willing to put themselves beyond the pale of their (British upper-class) society and become villains. I was being a little flip, there, but I pretty much agree with this. I thought it might be worth noting for two of the major antagonists of the series, though. It's something a reader could take issue with, even if you and I wouldn't.
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Jul 24, 2022 04:19
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The Lord Bude posted:Yeah I’d absolutely prefer it to be done high budget streaming show style. 12 episodes a season. I reckon you could do the first 2 books in season 1 - very possibly 3 but that might be a stretch because 3 is quite packed from memory. I reckon you could get those 3 books into a 12-episode season of 60 or even 40 minutes each. All the best TV series these days know how to edit well. And if GOT was given the budget to shoot on location in Iceland, I reckon you can get away with passing off most of the Mediterranean as itself and then using Morocco and the Canaries as a stand-in for India and Malaysia respectively, with the help of a lot of Mandalorian-style next-level green screening. Once the series starts getting buzz around season 3 you can DEMAND on-location shooting in the South Pacific, Kiribati will be grateful for the economic boost. I'd also be inclined to cut or at least postpone The Mauritius Command. I feel like O'Brien wrote that without an inkling that he was going to write another 16 books in the series and it feels off, narrative-arc-wise, for Aubrey to be temporarily promoted to commodore that early in the overall story... and then promptly demoted and finding himself at the beginning of a long string of authorial excuses to stymie any further promotion that might see him behind a desk instead of chasing privateers around the Horn.
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Jul 24, 2022 12:27
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freebooter posted:I reckon you could get those 3 books into a 12-episode season of 60 or even 40 minutes each. All the best TV series these days know how to edit well. And if GOT was given the budget to shoot on location in Iceland, I reckon you can get away with passing off most of the Mediterranean as itself and then using Morocco and the Canaries as a stand-in for India and Malaysia respectively, with the help of a lot of Mandalorian-style next-level green screening. Once the series starts getting buzz around season 3 you can DEMAND on-location shooting in the South Pacific, Kiribati will be grateful for the economic boost. It’s authentic though - commodore wasn’t a rank during that time period, strictly speaking, it was a position. When a captain was put in charge of several ships, they were appointed commodore so that they’d be superior to the captains they were ordering around. Then once the assignment was over they went back to being regular captains. This was perfectly normal and explained in the book. It’s also imo one of the best books in the series, would be nice to do it in season 2.
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The other big problem is that a show of these books would be seen, at least by studios, as having limited appeal to non cis-white-male audiences. You're making a regency show but it's not a romance and it is on water and there are few women and few people of color in major roles.
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Jul 24, 2022 17:46
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They could gender-flip Doctor Maturin. And make Mrs. Aubrey black.
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Jul 24, 2022 18:03
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From CD general chat:pospysyl posted:Wow, Disney's going all out: lmao  
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Jul 24, 2022 19:49
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That wasn’t very nice.
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Jul 24, 2022 21:12
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withak posted:That wasn’t very nice. I know cruel to end on Reverse of the Medal
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For a moment, i believed
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Would have been weird to start on book 2
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Kylaer posted:And that, IIRC, is specifically because it's a captain having relations with a member of his crew, which definitely is something likely to give rise to problems. Interestingly, he paints the crew as generally thinking their captain is a good one despite his inclination, and one of the officers fights a duel with an officer of another ship who insulted the captain. I cannot for the life of me remember what book this all takes place in, somewhere in the middle of the series I think. The Lord Bude posted:Book 4. No, sorry, this is from The Commodore, which must be book 17. Captain Duff of the Stately.
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Jul 25, 2022 20:12
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Genghis Cohen posted:No, sorry, this is from The Commodore, which must be book 17. Captain Duff of the Stately. I feel like something very similar happened in book 4 with the captains under Jack’s command.
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The Lord Bude posted:I feel like something very similar happened in book 4 with the captains under Jack’s command. You might be thinking of Clonfert's competition with other captains and their inability to work together smoothly? I don't think there were any sodomitical practices though.
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Jul 26, 2022 18:05
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Genghis Cohen posted:You might be thinking of Clonfert's competition with other captains and their inability to work together smoothly? I don't think there were any sodomitical practices though. I was sure there was some subtext there with Clonfert.
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Jul 26, 2022 18:54
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The Lord Bude posted:I was sure there was some subtext there with Clonfert.
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Jul 26, 2022 19:14
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I feel like there was something along those lines regarding the ship they pick up (all grown up) Richardson from, but I can't quite place it.
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Jul 26, 2022 20:10
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I think Clonfert desperately wanted to be a hero but didn't have the understanding, the personality, or the luck to pull it off. I don't remember anything related to sexuality being involved.
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Jul 26, 2022 20:31
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Kylaer posted:I think Clonfert desperately wanted to be a hero but didn't have the understanding, the personality, or the luck to pull it off. I don't remember anything related to sexuality being involved. I'm just reading (audiobooking) it, and it's explicitly non-sexual jealousy. Stephen asks Clonfert's doctor, McAdams, if there's any indication of (a latin phrase I don't recall but is something like "the evil sin that among Christians is not named") and McAdams says that there's "repeated venereal contact with the opposite sex" but that there's no sexual aspect to his fixation on competing with Jack and other men.
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Boston goons itt: The USS Constitution Musuem is doing free, first come first served, movies on the spar deck of the USS Constitution weekly starting August 20th. August 26th is Master and Commander. https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/events/summer-movie-nights-master-and-commander/
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