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Marauders and Nephandi get Ascension in Judgment, too; the only price they wind up paying is realizing that they made it needlessly painful for themselves and others.
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Ah, so it really is The Invisibles.
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Jul 21, 2022 20:48
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Think the premise of magic invisible conspiracy war is cool but the rules and setting of Mage: the Ascenscion are bad? Boy do I have good news for you
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Jul 21, 2022 21:00
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TheCenturion posted:Can you confirm which of the scenarios in the Time of Judgement: Judgement book you think is 'most fleshed out' and therefore, if I understand you correctly, most canonical? The book itself indicates that Chapter Two is this, and that chapter describes Ascension as 'everybody wins, all at once, even though that's inherently paradoxical, except the Marauders and Nephandi, cuz gently caress them. Magic, ain't it? Too bad this means that all of the suffering of the past had to occur, and will occur again in the endless cycle.'  Maybe Ascension is when your player character realizes they are in a role-playing game and merge with their avatar (the player). They are now free to play other games!
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Jul 21, 2022 21:16
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Rutibex posted:
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Jul 21, 2022 21:28
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Halloween Jack posted:Ah, so it really is The Invisibles. It's one of the major influences, yes.
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Jul 21, 2022 21:34
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I realized I'd completely missed the new version of Adventure! when they announced a new Trinity book for Victorian adventures.
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Jul 21, 2022 21:34
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Rand Brittain posted:He also decided that pursuing global Ascension was tyranny, so on top of abandoning the game's protagonists he also threw out the premise, so the game is now just about a bunch of wizards who do, you know... stuff. 
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Jul 21, 2022 22:10
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lmao
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Jul 21, 2022 23:45
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Making the thread subtitle "Mage: The." would be relevant on a couple levels imo
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Blockhouse posted:I can identify with not wanting to play Mage The Ascension. 
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Jul 22, 2022 00:36
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Rand Brittain posted:* like, seriously, everything that is supposedly bad about the Traditions is going to be equally true of the Disparates; I have no idea what Brucato was smoking Didn't he declare them all riddled with Nephandi? I think Brucato was trying to position the Nephandi as the real threat that everybody else should be dropping their petty wars over to deal with.
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So what happens to the vampires and werewolves and such anyway, are they just left behind That's actually kind of a fun idea
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Ghost Leviathan posted:So what happens to the vampires and werewolves and such anyway, are they just left behind Depending on the Gehenna scenario all the vampires can become human again, thus allowing then to Ascend. At least that was the view on New Bremen, the moderated official chat. citybeatnik fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Jul 22, 2022 |
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Jul 22, 2022 13:35
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There are something like five or six fully fleshed-out possible The Ends in each of the end times books for each of the big three lines. I think Time of Judgement runs down multiple less detailed scenarios for each of the less popular lines in each chapter. It's been a while since I read any of those books. Any given spookies' scenarios mostly don't concern themselves with what's happening to the other supernaturals, from what I recall, and some of them are pretty exclusive.
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Jul 22, 2022 13:50
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Rand Brittain posted:Marauders and Nephandi get Ascension in Judgment, too; the only price they wind up paying is realizing that they made it needlessly painful for themselves and others. Nope. quote:The Mad Ones are expelled from the cosmos; every Quiet births a universe that lives and dies according to it's merits. The worshipful Fallen are consigned to the Hells of their dreams: what they always truly desired.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:So what happens to the vampires and werewolves and such anyway, are they just left behind According to the vampire book turning a mage severs them from their avatar. So the physical meat vampire will be left behind in the sinful material universe. But the mages avatar gets another shot, I think. I really appreciate the vampire 20th book giving me stats for mages and werewolf and ghosts using the vampire powers. It means I can do a Buffy the Vampire slayer campaign and I don't need the Hunter book. I can just give my slayer vampire powers. Rutibex fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jul 22, 2022 |
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That Old Tree posted:There are something like five or six fully fleshed-out possible The Ends in each of the end times books for each of the big three lines. I think Time of Judgement runs down multiple less detailed scenarios for each of the less popular lines in each chapter. It's been a while since I read any of those books. Any given spookies' scenarios mostly don't concern themselves with what's happening to the other supernaturals, from what I recall, and some of them are pretty exclusive. Yup, the ToJ books (Gehenna/Apocalypse/Ascension) covered the endings for each of those games from "Not terrible" to "Lol everyone is hosed" (Caine being the last living creature to rise from the rubble to have God laugh at him is some  ) and then the ToJ book proper covered the rest and I think only the Reckoning endings have any ties to the other slats doing stuff.The most amusing bit of that ToJ book is that even the "Good" endings for the games are still extremely bad for the poor schmucks living in that world. I'm pretty sure one Changeling ending is "We all go back to Arcadia, and the Winter comes" while ignoring what that would mean for humanity. The Reckoning endings I remember being all pretty bleak and very "Everything is hosed, there's a demon castle in LA and humanity is hosed and so are we."
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I've been trying to figure out what the difference is between the different editions of Mage and I came on this podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SAhAvMCJzU This is absolutely fascinating that people care about the lore and metaphysics of this game so much. When I went looking for the differences I was expecting nerds fighting over different paradox systems or mana points or something but that's not what Mage fans care about at all! This is the complete opposite of edition wars between different kinds of D&D
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Rutibex posted:I've been trying to figure out what the difference is between the different editions of Mage and I came on this podcast As someone who once thought it was noble to try: It is very difficult to get sincerely invested in defending different iterations of Mage game mechanics.
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joylessdivision posted:The Reckoning endings I remember being all pretty bleak and very "Everything is hosed, there's a demon castle in LA and humanity is hosed and so are we." The Werewolf ones are mostly optimistic in a "we all die but we have saved everything" way. Which is fair. It IS called Apocalypse. There's a lot of almost greatest hits in Apocalypse itself too, like if you wondered about <blank> it's probably there for you to kill. Skemp feels like the only one who really understood the assignment.
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My favorite Apocalypse ending was the one where you free and heal the Wyrm.
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Wyrm and Weaver in the void chilling out, Wyrm is all just "Yeah maybe we just take a break from messing with the world for a bit, I think things will be fine without us."
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Nessus posted:My favorite Apocalypse ending was the one where you free and heal the Wyrm.  The Children of Gaia would be so proud.
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Nessus posted:My favorite Apocalypse ending was the one where you free and heal the Wyrm. Was that one of them? The ones I remember are the final battle in the Umbra, a tribe falling, the Weaver being the Real Bad Guy, or an asteroid hits the Earth and everyone dies.
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PantsOptional posted:Was that one of them? The ones I remember are the final battle in the Umbra, a tribe falling, the Weaver being the Real Bad Guy, or an asteroid hits the Earth and everyone dies. To do his fuckin' job, implicitly, not to just kind of... be pass-agg and polluting. I think. e: I forget if you literally team up with Pentex or not.
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Nessus posted:It happens in the Weaver Bad Guy thing, the Gaians are basically forced by events and possibly extremely loud statements from both sides that THE REAL ENEMY IS THE WEAVER to team up with the BSDs and co. In the good ending a final rite is completed and the last thing everyone hears is an enormous cosmic roar as the Wyrm is freed from the Weaver's webs at last. You might team up with your nemesis First Team if you play it when I ran it!
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Why is the free council book bad compared to the other mage the awakening order books
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Kurtofan posted:Why is the free council book bad compared to the other mage the awakening order books Because it's the worst order.
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Attorney at Funk posted:Because it's the worst order. An Adamantine Arrow wrote this post. And they're right. In a setting where you have "What if Stasi, but magic", "Indiana Jones happily locking away the arc of the covenant", "I CAST FIST", and "MURDER THE EXARCHS AND TOPPLE THEIR THRONES but only after arguing about it ad nauseum", the Free Council'a only real positive point is how they responded to the Seers' attempt to court them: throwing literal and metaphysical bombs at them.
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Kurtofan posted:Why is the free council book bad compared to the other mage the awakening order books It was the first one written, presumably while the core book was still being written. Many mistakes were made.
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citybeatnik posted:An Adamantine Arrow wrote this post. And they're right. To be clear, I love the Free Council. I just think that as a structural conceit, the big-tent humanist order (especially as combined with the WW house style for splat concepts and an implicit focus on tech and modernization) is inevitably going to lead to the corniest writing.
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The big thing the Free Councilers have going for them is that their splatbook's cover is totally sick.
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Jhet posted:It was the first one written, presumably while the core book was still being written. So basically the same issue the Mage part of WOD: Chicago has?
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Jhet posted:It was the first one written, presumably while the core book was still being written. It was not. Guardians was the first one written, while the core book still hadn't come out. You can tell, 'cos it happily copied the format and chapter layout of the Requiem Covenant Books. Then Mysterium. Free Council was the *middle* one of the five, but they decided to experiment with changing the format. Adamantine Arrow... Went straight back to the old one.
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Dave Brookshaw posted:It was not. That's my bad then. It does make it even sadder that it wasn't nearly as good as the other 5 order books. Even the Seers got a decent book out of the 1e. Maybe that's  Free Council in 2e got a much better shake.
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Thanks for the answers Theres currently a sale on nwod books, including a crossover book called the contagion chronicles Is it any good. Is there a lot of beast poo poo in it if so ill skip it
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Kurtofan posted:Thanks for the answers Not really. Reaction to it was very mixed on the whole.
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It's a chronicle book where the connective tissue between story hooks is threadbare at best, and a crossover book where most of the useful and interesting crossover material is in its Player's Guide supplement. Even having the base PDF is one of my biggest kickstarter regrets.
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