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Tuxedo Catfish posted:nova can currently get 100% damage reduction thanks to DE accidentally adding more sources of duration to the game and not sanity checking her
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Awesome! posted:how many stars do you actually need for this? i tried 20 and was still taking shield damage. nova's DR doesn't affect shields, so you were already there. more than 20 gives you a convenient buffer though
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:there's another augment that simply allows recasting IIRC Neutron Star. But I don't think I've ever seen anyone use it. Everyone just uses Molecular Fission which turns Nova's 1 into a "set it and forget it" unless you get really bullied by something Also Null Star was hard capped at 90% DR in 31.3, even if you go over 18 stars https://www.warframe.com/updates/pc/31-3-0
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The only frame I'd say is worth buying is Baruuk or Hydlin, although I suppose if you guys are playing with lots of other they wouldn't be impossible. They seem genuinely unpleasant to get.
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there are much, much more annoying frame grinds than baruuk or hildryn. vox is something you are going to want to rank up anyway at some point if you ever want to use a decent amp.
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Awesome! posted:there are much, much more annoying frame grinds than baruuk or hildryn. vox is something you are going to want to rank up anyway at some point if you ever want to use a decent amp. Really? Who? I suppose I got up there before the Necramechs existed so it's probably easier now, but I've never had a more annoying time than with them. I'm still at 3 cause I hated it so much. wait, FRAME GRINDS Okay, nevermind. I saw fame grinds. I can definitely see Protea being a huge pain in the rear end, and Grendel as deeply frustrating. Grondoth fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jul 23, 2022 |
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Jul 23, 2022 18:55
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Grondoth posted:Really? Who? Harrow. I'm MR30, I have every single frame apart from founder exclusive's Excal Prime and heking Harrow. Defection rotation C has to be the most utterly boring and time wasting thing you can do in this game. And then the game keeps insulting you by not dropping the part. At least, Harrow got primed, so it doesn't matter much, but still... Grendel was a challenge, it was about picking a strat, and executing it well enough on 3 specific missions. Harrow is just getting bored to tears listening to those dumb Grineers and wait for a faildrop. Rinse and repeat, skills have no impact whatsoever. It's just about wasting your time.
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Propaganda Hour posted:Also Null Star was hard capped at 90% DR in 31.3, even if you go over 18 stars https://www.warframe.com/updates/pc/31-3-0 oh, rip. looks like that was just a week or two after i'd come back from hiatus, heard about the bug, and tried it
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Jul 23, 2022 19:36
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Harrow and now Ash can be pretty horrible targeted grinds yeah, and you're not doing rot c defection for much else. At least with Ash one manic will spawn before then. People frequently cited Nidus and Ivara as similarly bad grinds but Nidus' mission goes a little faster than defection and you can quickly learn to blitz through spy missions much more quickly. There's one Octavia part thats a 20 minute rotation in and that tends to be a bit of a headache, and I can definitely see an unlucky Protea grind being quite annoying. Personally I think my most annoying unlucky grind was Equinox. Luckily everyone mentioned here has a prime version except for Protea but you also get the staltha and stropha granum voids and you'll probably at least want the stropha eventually.
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FishMcCool posted:Harrow. Harrow's parts got added to Kuva Fortress Survival (that's the kuva grind one) so you can actually get something useful while you grind for it. No the worse one I can think of now is Ash by far. It used to be manics which were rare but you would get over time but now it's exclusively from Railjack corpus Survival and Defense rotations C. It dwarfs anything else in expected time to get at like 18 hours or something insane like that. If you thought Hildryn was bad at 12 minutes for a 22% chance well how about 20 minutes for a 8.5% chance? Better bring a podcast.
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and at least with hildryn if you dont get the part you need you are still getting other useful stuff for your time.
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Psychorider posted:No the worse one I can think of now is Ash by far. It used to be manics which were rare but you would get over time but now it's exclusively from Railjack corpus Survival and Defense rotations C. oooohhhhh, right
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Psychorider posted:Harrow's parts got added to Kuva Fortress Survival (that's the kuva grind one) so you can actually get something useful while you grind for it. No the worse one I can think of now is Ash by far. It used to be manics which were rare but you would get over time but now it's exclusively from Railjack corpus Survival and Defense rotations C. It dwarfs anything else in expected time to get at like 18 hours or something insane like that. If you thought Hildryn was bad at 12 minutes for a 22% chance well how about 20 minutes for a 8.5% chance? Better bring a podcast. Fair enough re. Ash. I got him during the manic era (in defection, without ever landing the Harrow part, of course), and that taints my view. Isn't Oberon stupidly RJ gated too these days? Like, Oberon ffs, one of the classic first few new frame every beginner used to go through.
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FishMcCool posted:Fair enough re. Ash. I got him during the manic era (in defection, without ever landing the Harrow part, of course), and that taints my view. Isn't Oberon stupidly RJ gated too these days? Like, Oberon ffs, one of the classic first few new frame every beginner used to go through. Oh yeah that's right. At least it's only the side objective thing that's like a 30 seconds detour at most in every mission. It's just weird having it moved from very accessible to gated behind the big RJ wall. It hasn't been replaced by anything as the eximus drop either.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:i've never done anything past like an hour and change in SP Survival, and that was when i was using Warframe as a study aid to keep my hands occupied 100% mindlessly while i listened to recorded lectures The wiki page for nullstar says there's a hard cap of 90% damage reduction even if you have more than 18 stars due to having more than 306% duration. Was there like a short time after DE added those duration mods where it worked that way? Edit : I should have finished reading this thread before posting, poo poo lol. Never mind my question, then. Curtana fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Jul 24, 2022 |
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Curtana posted:The wiki page for nullstar says there's a hard cap of 90% damage reduction even if you have more than 18 stars due to having more than 306% duration. Was there like a short time after DE added those duration mods where it worked that way? yeah, see a few posts up
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FishMcCool posted:Defection rotation C has to be the most utterly boring and time wasting thing you can do in this game. And then the game keeps insulting you by not dropping the part. At least, Harrow got primed, so it doesn't matter much, but still... so there's a secret to this farm You bring two speed wisps and that's it. Speed motes go on spawn/rally/button points. Shock can help stop them from getting mobbed, or health make it not matter at all. speeding up the defectors makes it managable at any rate
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TheParadigm posted:so there's a secret to this farm Yeah, that works well, but I never could be bothered finding a squad for that. I wisp-soloed it plenty of times, mind, and speedy/invulnerable squads make it super smooth. But it's not like there's any difficulty: it's just insanely boring.
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before wisp there was no way to speed it up. in theory you could use nova portals but that wasn't really very useful or reliable. there was a dozen different ways to lock down the entire map or make the targets immortal, but they were still so very slow.
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The Infested Impedance aura comes in handy too.
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Probably confirmation bias but you could count on at least one hostage getting its pathmaking broke and getting forever stuck on a rail. Loki used to be vital for this, don't know if it was fixed. With the way disruption bombers get lost at least once a round, I doubt it's fixed.
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Doing it as solo-goatdad (Oberon) worked okay because there just weren't that many actually people to get stuck. I do recall a sortie where an arson eximus pushed them into a dip, and we had to wait for a second one to push them out though. OTOH, I lucked out enough on the number of tries it took me, I think I raffled off a bunch of my prime stuff (or maybe just slots and potatoes) in an attempt to preserve my karma. 
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fuckin lol khora prime comes with a forma tax because of a lovely default aura polarity
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you are supposed to run shepherd and be a good cat mom
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FishMcCool posted:Harrow. ...huh, I guess I just got super lucky. I was super jazzed for harrow and got him pretty quick. I came back when I learned that all his stuff got primed. I guess that's the problem with drops, it can lead to "I didn't have that problem, goodbye"
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I had that problem with Nidus. I put him off forever because I heard the grind was godawful and well hated. got him in four rounds. Big welp! moment. Side note, I don't get the hate for invested salvage. The only thing bad about it is the drop table could use a It was also really amusing to me to see the deimos bounties with the set perimeter not learn from the infested salvage ones actually growing so you're not stuck with enemies camping just outside it. Rip void blast; it was useful for bonking people into it.
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hazardousmouse posted:Probably confirmation bias but you could count on at least one hostage getting its pathmaking broke and getting forever stuck on a rail. Loki used to be vital for this, don't know if it was fixed. With the way disruption bombers get lost at least once a round, I doubt it's fixed. You could also nova portal them which is way better because nova is actually useful in the mission
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After spending more time with Gyre, I think she'd be basically fine if they just did something like make rotorswell hits strip armor. Feels a bit lame to just have "make it strip armor" be a thing every frame needs to do to be relevant, but that's the world we live in.
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she would only need to strip armor if her electric abilities were powerful enough to bother using for DPS in the first place, which they're not she'd be usable with a 90% DR (or comparable boutique power) or if her crit buff scaled better and didn't have a cap instead she's just the latest entry in a long line of caster frames that are made of paper and can't compete with "just shoot them"
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Awesome! posted:shepherd .... What
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Umbral forma bp on Teshin again this week. Seems more frequent of late.
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Anyone have a suggestion for the final upgrade tier for the Incarnon shotty?
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chumbler posted:Umbral forma bp on Teshin again this week. Seems more frequent of late. it's not, it's on a regular 8-week rotation. we did just get one from Gift of the Lotus alerts though skaianDestiny posted:Anyone have a suggestion for the final upgrade tier for the Incarnon shotty? throw it away and get a kuva kohm instead
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skaianDestiny posted:Anyone have a suggestion for the final upgrade tier for the Incarnon shotty? Devastating Attrition, and it's not even a choice. I'm also fond of Evolved Autoloader for tier 3.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:throw it away and get a tenet arca plasmor instead
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Grondoth posted:...huh, I guess I just got super lucky. I was super jazzed for harrow and got him pretty quick. I came back when I learned that all his stuff got primed. I guess that's the problem with drops, it can lead to "I didn't have that problem, goodbye" Yeah, I feel bad. I got the correct part the first time I tried in each mission. I only found out he was considered a giant pain in the rear end after the fact. At the time I was like "man, they really just want to give me this dude by the end of this. That's nice." Khora wasn't so bad (though I wasn't remotely as lucky) mostly because I just played that mode to level crap when I get an affinity bonus. Nowadays I just do boring Trinity ESO but it goes to 30 in a single game a good portion of the time, so it's very efficient. I made a second Khora to feed to Audrey II as my first frame fed to her. Now Protea? Yeah. If that wasn't a Twitch drop, I'd never have gotten her. I think everyone's just got their "lol nope" frame as far as requirements go.
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In the past week I've crafted Gyre (seems fine, apparently it was nerfed and her 4 used to be a ton better), Inaros (bad), Wisp (excellent), and Xaku (excellent). I might stick with Xaku for a while. I've been looking for a new DPS frame and the builds put together by Brozime and KnightmareFrame seem incredibly powerful. https://youtu.be/y8YPLF2b5o4 https://youtu.be/1UkA9Ulp4p0
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Both of those builds have some suboptimal choices. They will still work because all Xaku needs to delete maps is high range, but Rolling Guard is almost a requirement to keep them alive and there are better ways of reaching 200 strength for armor strip than running Augur Secrets or double corrupted mods and a rank 4 Overextended. This is what I like to run: https://overframe.gg/build/75917/
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gnoma posted:Both of those builds have some suboptimal choices. They will still work because all Xaku needs to delete maps is high range, but Rolling Guard is almost a requirement to keep them alive and there are better ways of reaching 200 strength for armor strip than running Augur Secrets or double corrupted mods and a rank 4 Overextended. Thanks man, did you just upload this tonight? I'll try it out
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I edited it tonight. I made it with slight changes when Xaku was released and I'm pretty sure it's the 6 forma Xaku build that DE shouted out in this post: https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1223976-upcoming-xaku-changes/.
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