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GRESHAM: beats non champion Jay Lethal... defends vs. Bandido...Dalton Castle....Lee Moriarty. Loses to Claudio in pitiful 11:30. XAVIER: beats first ever champion Low Ki. Defends vs. Jay Briscoe...AJ Styles....Paul London. Loses to Samoa Joe - the longest reigning ROH champions in history - in hardfought 11:56 It's clear who looks stronger here, and it is not Gresham.
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Jul 24, 2022 20:40
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MotU posted:Sounds like he was upset about lack of communication and the match length! considering he couldn't make it through a face-to-face conversation with his boss without cursing him out, seems just as likely that actually the lines of communication were open, gresham was just being an rear end in a top hat
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Jul 24, 2022 20:41
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Fart Radio posted:considering he couldn't make it through a face-to-face conversation with his boss without cursing him out, seems just as likely that actually the lines of communication were open, gresham was just being an rear end in a top hat Hrm, I don't think that is it.
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Jul 24, 2022 20:42
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Fart Radio posted:considering he couldn't make it through a face-to-face conversation with his boss without cursing him out, seems just as likely that actually the lines of communication were open, gresham was just being an rear end in a top hat Deppen was on the preshow and said it was easy to talk to Tony when he replied to Joey who was saying Tony was easy to talk to, so it doesn't seem like it was an issue was the lines of communication.
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Jul 24, 2022 20:43
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MassRafTer posted:Deppen was on the preshow and said it was easy to talk to Tony when he replied to Joey who was saying Tony was easy to talk to, so it doesn't seem like it was an issue was the lines of communication. If Tony wants to just be the guy who has nice conversations with people then he needs to hire someone to have the difficult conversations, because it seems like he's bad at having those.
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Jul 24, 2022 20:46
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MotU posted:Hrm, I don't think that is it. ok, you do realize at this point you're just choosing to ignore facts that suggest that gresham is in the wrong here, right?
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Jul 24, 2022 20:51
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Fart Radio posted:ok, you do realize at this point you're just choosing to ignore facts that suggest that gresham is in the wrong here, right? You have conjecture, not facts. Neither of us have facts. We're both basing our opinions on he we perceive the conversation went with only third party information about what went down. Please try to understand what "facts" are, and why I said the word <think> specifically and not "no, that is not what it is". You need to learn how to have a conversation with people, much like Tony Khan. In fact, you stated he was upset about losing to Claudio, when the third party info specifically said match length and did not mention winning or losing.
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Jul 24, 2022 20:54
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Lumbermouth posted:If Tony wants to just be the guy who has nice conversations with people then he needs to hire someone to have the difficult conversations, because it seems like he's bad at having those. That would be Christopher Daniels, head of talent relations' job, yes - (edit: although I guess I don't know if he's also doing that for RoH) If Gresham wants out, let him go, not a huge deal. Not everyone is going to be happy, and he would have had a decent spot in the company, but not the top guy champion for a long time kind of spot. At least he did the job on the way out, can't fault him there.
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Jul 24, 2022 20:54
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I think Jonathan Gresham tried to talk to Tony Khan but Tony couldn't hear him because his voice didn't carry far enough to reach his ears
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Jul 24, 2022 20:54
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Alaois posted:I think Jonathan Gresham tried to talk to Tony Khan but Tony couldn't hear him because his voice didn't carry far enough to reach his ears Cocaine can make tinnitus worse
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Jul 24, 2022 20:56
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i will only miss gresham a little bit
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Jul 24, 2022 20:58
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edogawa rando posted:Is starting off a PPV a bad thing? When you look at Tony Khan's booking, he's more often than not started the show with a fairly big match. Lately, in every promotion, it seems like the opener is supposed to be the second most important match after the main event. In many years past, it was called 'curtain jerking' and it was supposed to be the least over match.
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Jul 24, 2022 20:59
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StarkRavingMad posted:That would be Christopher Daniels, head of talent relations' job, yes - (edit: although I guess I don't know if he's also doing that for RoH) Is Christopher Daniels the head of talent relations at ROH? That seems like a bad idea from an organizational standpoint.
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Jul 24, 2022 21:00
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should be kazarian for parity
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Jul 24, 2022 21:00
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edogawa rando posted:Is starting off a PPV a bad thing? When you look at Tony Khan's booking, he's more often than not started the show with a fairly big match. Opening with a big match for Dynamite/Rampage makes sense to me, you want to retain the random TV audience who's only tuning in after whatever comes before AEW. With PPVs, it's fans who are already commited to the product that's watching, so it feels a little "Let's just get this over and done with," especially considering the match length.
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Jul 24, 2022 21:04
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Lumbermouth posted:If Tony wants to just be the guy who has nice conversations with people then he needs to hire someone to have the difficult conversations, because it seems like he's bad at having those. He pretty clearly had a difficult conversation with Gresham just yesterday. From the interview Gresham did that was published before the show it seems like he had his mind made up things weren't going to go well. And again, Daniels is the head of talent relations. So that person exists. Either Daniels is hard to find or some people expect to talk to Tony, not Daniels. But this doesn't seem like a talent relations conversation anyway it seems like one he wanted to have with the head of creative which is Tony.
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Jul 24, 2022 21:06
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Long-Time Lurker posted:Opening with a big match for Dynamite/Rampage makes sense to me, you want to retain the random TV audience who's only tuning in after whatever comes before AEW. With PPVs, it's fans who are already commited to the product that's watching, so it feels a little "Let's just get this over and done with," especially considering the match length. On the scrum, Tony said he wanted a great match to kick off the show and to set the pace for the night. Rang true last night, rings true now. The tag match almost had to be the last match, and putting the title match right before it accentuates the idea that it's second best. Also I think Caprice and Ian did a good job selling the decision as a literal coin flip.
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Jul 24, 2022 21:08
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i get the impression from people's mixed impressions on how approachable he is that if you seek out and talk to tony he'll talk to you, but he won't go out and initiate conversations with people without reason, so sitting and waiting for tony is gonna get you nowhere (as mjf found out). idk if that's a good or a bad thing but maybe daniels should start scheduling regular check-ins with everyone to make people not feel ignored
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Jul 24, 2022 21:12
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Jul 24, 2022 21:13
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Putting a big high energy match on to open a pape is a pretty standard booking move to get the crowd pumped up
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Jul 24, 2022 21:13
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Thanlis posted:On the scrum, Tony said he wanted a great match to kick off the show and to set the pace for the night. Rang true last night, rings true now. The tag match almost had to be the last match, and putting the title match right before it accentuates the idea that it's second best. Also I think Caprice and Ian did a good job selling the decision as a literal coin flip. If you were told the show order and results before the show you might second guess it. But second guessing it after is just living in an alternate reality. The first match was hotter than it would have been later in the show, and nothing but the tag title match could close that show. Both from a match quality stand point and also from having FTR out there doing 10 minutes of posing, giving kids a special moment and dissing Vince McMahon. If I'm Gresham I'm probably annoyed at the match length, but you are in there vs a red hot talent who is being pushed as hard as Joe in 2003, and Joe went over Xavier in just under 12 minutes too. flatluigi posted:i get the impression from people's mixed impressions on how approachable he is that if you seek out and talk to tony he'll talk to you, but he won't go out and initiate conversations with people without reason, so sitting and waiting for tony is gonna get you nowhere (as mjf found out). idk if that's a good or a bad thing but maybe daniels should start scheduling regular check-ins with everyone to make people not feel ignored There are definitely stories of Tony just coming up to people to talk or yell LET'S loving GO.
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Jul 24, 2022 21:14
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If Gresham was going over he wouldn't give a poo poo about match time, card placement, or communication issues. Dude went out there in a T-shirt and pouty face doing his best Low-Ki impression. Claudio is lucky he didn't no-sell him.
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Jul 24, 2022 21:15
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MotU posted:You have conjecture, not facts. Neither of us have facts. We're both basing our opinions on he we perceive the conversation went with only third party information about what went down. Please try to understand what "facts" are, and why I said the word <think> specifically and not "no, that is not what it is". You need to learn how to have a conversation with people, much like Tony Khan. In fact, you stated he was upset about losing to Claudio, when the third party info specifically said match length and did not mention winning or losing. you've been rationalizing gresham's behavior ever since MRT said he has been difficult to work with, searching for a reason why your admittedly unfounded conjecture gets to ignore the actual facts here. i said he *apparently* was upset about losing to claudio, because that's what my interpretation of the facts that gresham 1. got a face-to-face with TK before the show and cussed him out and 2. was visibly upset coming out for a match he was booked to lose (something that i believe is a pretty lovely thing to do) let me to believe. you tried to say i was wrong because of what you just said was conjecture. so spare me your opinions on how i talk to people who want to start condescending arguments with me for no reason
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Jul 24, 2022 21:15
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MassRafTer posted:If you were told the show order and results before the show you might second guess it. Couldn’t agree more. I was cheering for Gresham for reasons that boil down to parasocial relationships but I picked Claudio to win and I think he was clearly the right winner.
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Jul 24, 2022 21:18
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El Generico posted:Lately, in every promotion, it seems like the opener is supposed to be the second most important match after the main event. In many years past, it was called 'curtain jerking' and it was supposed to be the least over match. One of things Jericho said about his Wrestlemania match with KO was that he pissed about its spot on the card because it was the second match of the show. And he didn't expect it to be the main event once Lesnar/Goldberg was announced but: "The difference was we went from the main event to being put on second. Now, that’s an insult, because the second match is just another match,” said Jericho. “Either you’re on last, or you’re on first, and maybe the semi-main event. But that’s it. Those are your big money spots for WrestleMania." So it does seem like at least some wrestlers consider the first match a "money" spot.
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Jul 24, 2022 21:19
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Benne posted:If Gresham was going over he wouldn't give a poo poo about match time, card placement, or communication issues. Claudio wanted to do a spot where he put his hand on Gresham's forehead while Gresham failed to punch him because his arms are too small but Gresham was insulted at the idea a Pure wrestler would throw punches.
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Jul 24, 2022 21:20
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StarkRavingMad posted:One of things Jericho said about his Wrestlemania match with KO was that he pissed about it's spot on the card because it was the second match of the show. And he didn't expect it to be the main event once Lesnar/Goldberg was announced but: "The difference was we went from the main event to being put on second. Now, that’s an insult, because the second match is just another match,” said Jericho. “Either you’re on last, or you’re on first, and maybe the semi-main event. But that’s it. Those are your big money spots for WrestleMania." It is because a dead opener legit impacts the show is a negative way. The only real downside I see to the opening match is that people tuning in slightly late may miss part/all of it
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Jul 24, 2022 21:21
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quote:Fightful Select has learned many additional details about the lead up to Jonathan Gresham requesting his AEW/ROH release.
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Jul 24, 2022 21:41
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Seems like a perfect storm of Gresham taking himself just a bit too seriously and Khan having too much on his plate to deal with everyone. The reigning World Champion of the promotion you just bought should be one of the people you go out of your way to talk to. I hope they're able to have a conversation and Gresham stays with ROH in the main event scene. Failing that I hope he does well in Impact or wherever.
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Jul 24, 2022 21:44
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If I'm Claudio I'd be pretty pissed that Gresham went and made this about himself
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Jul 24, 2022 22:03
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Coaaab posted:since the inaugural aew world title match, it has been either the penultimate or final match on the ppv shows Hangman Page defended the world title in the opening match several times. AEW Dynamite, March 9 2022 (Dante vs Hangman) AEW Dynamite, January 5 2022 (Danielson vs Hangman) AEW Dynamite, December 15 (Danielson vs Hangman)
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Jul 24, 2022 22:04
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Gresham is 100% the type of guy who's laying out a match with his opponent and keeps going "my character wouldn't do that"
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Jul 24, 2022 22:22
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my only regret is that we never got Gresham/Singh
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Jul 24, 2022 22:24
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STONE COLD 64 posted:i will only miss gresham a little bit I choose to imagine the conversation was like something out of a poorly scripted comedy, where TK kept inadvertently making comments that Gresham took as insults about his height, but TK was completely unaware of what he had just said or why Gresham was getting madder and madder about it
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Jul 24, 2022 22:29
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I choose to imagine the conversation was like something out of a poorly scripted comedy, where TK kept inadvertently making comments that Gresham took as insults about his height, but TK was completely unaware of what he had just said or why Gresham was getting madder and madder about it Tony : “I know you’re a little angry, but there’s no reason to be so short with me! Now I know these plans went way over your head, but I assure you you’re well respected here and I hope with some time you can look up to me. You seem like a down to earth guy, so hopefully we can talk this through without any more of these micro-aggressions…”
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Jul 24, 2022 22:40
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Congratulations to all the serious professional wrestling fans in this thread for not making a "short reign" joke. If Gresham thought he was going to be the face of ROH moving forward, he has quite an imagination, I guess. TK has about 30 bigger draws than him under contract right now, and you should probably try to earn your booker a dollar or two before expecting your creative vision to be considered. Maybe we missed out on an incredible story of Jonathan Gresham's rise to becoming a money-printing grapplehero in ROH and now that story can be told in a different promotion. Like, I get that everybody hates their boss, but if yours says "I'm going to have white-hot babyface Claudio sell for you a bit on PPV," one answer you could also give is "hell yeah, that's going to be the most noteworthy match of my career so far"
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Jul 24, 2022 22:42
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This sucks. I only knew Gresham since Tony bought ROH but I became a fan quick. Wish they could have worked it out.
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Jul 24, 2022 22:43
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Dacap posted:Tony : “I know you’re a little angry, but there’s no reason to be so short with me! Now I know these plans went way over your head, but I assure you you’re well respected here and I hope with some time you can look up to me. You seem like a down to earth guy, so hopefully we can talk this through without any more of these micro-aggressions…” lmao
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Lamuella posted:Hangman Page defended the world title in the opening match several times.
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