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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
How much of this is just Disney+ doing that thing where streaming services have to have quota minimums for streaming in foreign countries? E.g. D+ paying for the rights to Derry Girls etc.

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Confusedslight
Jan 9, 2020
I don't know how I feel about this. A positive outcome is that it will ensure that the show reaches alot of people and is sure to boost its popularity. On the other hand disney.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1550480911522725889

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
https://twitter.com/lunasorcery/status/1550525558575996929?s=21

the duality of tran

(do not google meatspin)

Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013
It's porn. Not the end of the world, but not something you might wanna see unprompted.

McGann
May 19, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!

Fair Bear Maiden posted:

It's porn. Not the end of the world, but not something you might wanna see unprompted.

No matter how long I go, I will still immediately shift back to middle-school me when I am reminded of this and giggle incessently.

EricFate
Aug 31, 2001

Crumpets. Glorious Crumpets.
Does anyone remember that short lived spin off show, "Class"? I was reminded of it today, but can no longer recall much of anything about the show beyond the setting. I'm shocked to see that Big Finish continued to do audio dramas for it. I figured it was dead, buried, and entirely forgotten.

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck
I mean, Big Finish has also done spinoffs about characters who appeared in spinoffs of spinoffs of spinoffs of Doctor Who. There is no well they're not willing to drill.

Confusedslight
Jan 9, 2020
Was class any good? Yet to watch it.

EricFate
Aug 31, 2001

Crumpets. Glorious Crumpets.

Confusedslight posted:

Was class any good? Yet to watch it.

The fact that I can't remember it means it wasn't particularly good OR terrible. It just was.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
It had that thing where when the Doctor’s not around, basically every ep but the first and last episodes(I think?), it’s not very interesting.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Confusedslight posted:

Was class any good? Yet to watch it.

It's...different, and I highly recommend giving it a watch, especially in this drought of Doctor Who content

It's not blow-you-away amazeballs, but it's on par with the majority of Capaldi's run, I think

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
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Maybe they’re brining back Class for Disney :tinfoil:

SecretOfSteel
Apr 29, 2007

The secret of steel has always
carried with it a mystery.

Edward Mass posted:

Maybe they’re brining back Class for Disney :tinfoil:

Hmm, I just finished watching an episode of Boba Fett and they had what looked like the Nuetrinos from the 80s TMNT cartoon racing around so, yeah, not high hopes if they go that path!

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

EricFate posted:

Does anyone remember that short lived spin off show, "Class"? I was reminded of it today, but can no longer recall much of anything about the show beyond the setting. I'm shocked to see that Big Finish continued to do audio dramas for it. I figured it was dead, buried, and entirely forgotten.

I have bought these. (More fool me, right?)

They vary in quality, but there's some very good stuff there. There's actually a fairly decent push to make more of them -- the CDs sold out record quick -- but there are rights issues and actor availability issues which have prevented the series from moving forward.

I've enjoyed them pretty much more than any recent range that wasn't Bernice Summerfield or Torchwood centred. (The Who stuff hasn't been super great for a while, barring one or two random releases -- the most recent set with the Seventh Doctor and Mel, Silver and Ice, has very quickly acquired a reputation for being particularly stupid and bad).

Narsham
Jun 5, 2008

EricFate posted:

Does anyone remember that short lived spin off show, "Class"? I was reminded of it today, but can no longer recall much of anything about the show beyond the setting. I'm shocked to see that Big Finish continued to do audio dramas for it. I figured it was dead, buried, and entirely forgotten.

I remember it as a great deal of potential that was somewhat squandered. Suffered a bit from the Buffy syndrome (ie. After three episodes you wonder how anyone can still send their kids to this school) and from the main season arc being only somewhat intelligible, but there’s operational concepts that stuck with me over time (the idea of a school being run by a secret cabal, the “blossoms are actually aliens reproducing to kill everyone” concept, a few others).

A bad show to watch if, like me, you get frustrated by an urgent crisis plot grinding to a halt while the characters hash out interpersonal drama and the crisis kindly waits until they’re through.

My personal take-away: this post made me see how much I could recall of the show (seen once on release), and while it turned out I can recall a lot and most of the things I’m remembering I liked, my immediate response after the memories started coming back was still “drat you for making me remember the show.”

Granted, these days I feel pretty much the same about Buffy.

Mr Beens
Dec 2, 2006

Cleretic posted:

That's nice, I didn't need to hear the dialog anyway.

The sound mixing and audibility of the dialogue has been just as terrible during Chibnalls run

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Mr Beens posted:

The sound mixing and audibility of the dialogue has been just as terrible during Chibnalls run

I wouldn't say the sound mixing improved, but the less bombastic music meant it was rarely inaudible.

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.
Time to listen to another lost story audio! Animal is...messy. Unlike Crime of the Century, which had lots of great ideas but didn't always connect them well, Animal feels half finished, despite being first developed twenty years before release.

There's the seed of a great story here: killer alien plants escape from a UNIT research lab in a university, while a radical animal rights activist plots to release them. This could have been an interesting exploration of radicalisation, how well meaning people can be drawn into violence by a charismatic leader taking advantage of them, or the ethics of animal experiments, the story instead grinds to a halt when the second group of aliens turn up. The politics and message end up getting very muddled, and I'm not sure what the intended moral was?

Still, Angela Bruce is fun as Bambera (I've not seen Battlefield tbh), and Ace and Raine get some good banter, along with a confident turn from McCoy. Shame there's about only half a story here.

Confusedslight
Jan 9, 2020
Do the lost stories doctor who characters differ from how they act from other big finish stories? Thinking about the sixth doctor and how bf decided to tone certain aspects of his character down a bit. Are they more like the tv versions of them is what I'm trying to ask.

Robert J. Omb
Dec 1, 2005
The 'J' stands for 'AAARRGH!'

OldMemes posted:

(I've not seen Battlefield tbh)

Aw, shame

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

But if you haven't seen it, how will you know if there will be a battle here or not!?! :ohdear:

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Confusedslight posted:

Do the lost stories doctor who characters differ from how they act from other big finish stories? Thinking about the sixth doctor and how bf decided to tone certain aspects of his character down a bit. Are they more like the tv versions of them is what I'm trying to ask.

It varies. Some of the stories in that range attempt to accurately recreate what the episodes would have been like at the time or airing, and some of them just flat out ignore that and do their own thing -- though some of these still use contemporary characterisation.

The latter are nearly always better than the former, which was inevitable when BF decided to adapt such excellent scripts as The Prison In Space (let's spank the uppity out of the female characters!), Mission To Magnus (Phillip Martin's take on gender politics isn't much better), The Ultimate Evil (infamously written as a deliberate gently caress you to the series) and The Hollows Of Time (whatever the gently caress happened here).

OldMemes posted:

Time to listen to another lost story audio! Animal is...messy.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of whatever Cartmel was trying to do with his three lost stories. IMO Animal is the best of them, but not by much (its "to serve man" twist is very, very obvious). I liked the setting though, more Doctor Who should be set at universities.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
The BBC are reporting that David Warner passed away yesterday.

Confusedslight
Jan 9, 2020
Ah gently caress. Christopher Eccleston was recording something with him for the 60th for big finish. Poor Lisa Bowerman.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Open Source Idiom posted:

The BBC are reporting that David Warner passed away yesterday.

To end.... like this?

:smith:

Only 80, sounds like he had cancer, so as always, gently caress cancer :mad:

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Jerusalem posted:

To end.... like this?

:smith:

Only 80, sounds like he had cancer, so as always, gently caress cancer :mad:

Feel pretty gutted for Lisa too. They both seem like great people.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

https://twitter.com/bigfinish/status/1551577042096906242

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.

Open Source Idiom posted:

The Hollows Of Time (whatever the gently caress happened here).

Basically carving the Master out of the story, then having the Doctor go 'oh well, never mind' wasn't a good move. Even Colin Baker sounds unimpressed in the interviews.

McGann
May 19, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!

Random side bar but I'm reading random wiki bits as escapism during a particularly turbulent period of work and have been working my way through "Time Rift" that Jonathan Blum starred in as the 7th Dr during the wilderness years and it's...interesting. Hard to watch given the quality but I think they rather got the feel for that era's story overall - but I've only watched half so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnvS5dN3iaA

edit: Ok I finished that clip and lol even got the cliffhanger down.

McGann fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jul 25, 2022

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
They weren't allowed to use the Master at the time, we're pretty sure, which factored in.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
It has been (credibly) rumoured that Moff's coming back to write some episodes for RTD's/Gatwa's first season

Class3KillStorm
Feb 17, 2011



Barry Foster posted:

It has been (credibly) rumoured that Moff's coming back to write some episodes for RTD's/Gatwa's first season

Everything old is new again.

But that's okay, because everything new to this point has been pretty much garbage.

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.
Time for the last of the Season 27 Lost Stories - Earth Aid.

This has the inverse problem of Animal - whereas that story started strong and fizzled out after two episodes, Earth Aid has two weak opening episodes and two stronger closing ones. The story starts with Ace posing as the captain of a spaceship delivering grain as a relief effort effort to a distant planet - these scenes are quite strong, as a completely out of her depth Ace tries to wing it based on her understanding of old Star Trek episodes and half remembered instructions from the Doctor.

Then the story just....stops. In the guest cast, there's the always welcome Paterson Joseph (putting on an unconvincing American accent for some reason) and a pre-Osgood Ingrid Oliver. However, in the third episode, when the aliens show up, the story gets much more fun and entertaining, and I could easily picture this on TV. McCoy, Aldred and Chalmers are in great form, and its a shame we only got to see Raine once more after this, as it feels like there's a lot more that could be done with the character.

The season 27 stories are interesting: Thin Ice was great, but Crime of the Century, Animal and Earth Aid are patchy. I enjoyed Earth Aid, but those first two episodes really needed more of a sense of pacing and urgency at times.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
You're aware of UNIT: Dominion, yeah? Raine is in that one.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Does Earth Aid still have the Metatraxi? Honourable alien samurai types?

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.
Metatraxi are in it, but the samurai aspect has been really toned down by Big Finish, except as a visual reference for their design, and thankfully they don't try a stereotypical samurai accent for them. Their idea of honour is limited to matching the weapons of their opponents - Ace finds out that they're deeply sexist, to her disappointment. This is the best portrayal of them out of the season 27 stuff.

DoctorWhat posted:

You're aware of UNIT: Dominion, yeah? Raine is in that one.

Yep, I heard that on Spotify, and really enjoyed it, it got me to seek out more stories with Klein and the MacQueen Master. IIRC, Briggs forgot to ask
Andrew Cartmel if he could use Raine again, and Cartmel has requested that Raine be off limits until he gives the say so again, which is a shame.

OldMemes fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Jul 27, 2022

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Somehow it’s been five years since Moffat left. :psyduck:

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

The_Doctor posted:

Somehow it’s been five years since Moffat left. :psyduck:

And given the lack of output in the intervening years, I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't the problem on that front (or, at the very least, he wasn't the only problem).

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Barry Foster posted:

It has been (credibly) rumoured that Moff's coming back to write some episodes for RTD's/Gatwa's first season

Good! I still wish we'd gotten RTD writing a story under Moffat though, that could have been wonderful.

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