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Overminty
Mar 16, 2010

You may wonder what I am doing while reading your posts..


we're going tomb raiding

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jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.


necromancy through the medium of house prices

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Oh, seems John Harris has radicalised into advocating direct action on climate change https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/24/climate-sceptics-protest-emergency-activists

jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

meanwhile in countries that aren't loving bizzare

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-15/spain-will-introduce-free-train-travel-to-help-ease-the-cost-of-living

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Why do Labour still bother with these 3 word slogans and focus grouped bullet points: we all know they'll have forgotten them themselves within a fortnight 'cos they're now organising Keith's umpteenth relaunch or whatever.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"
It's very funny that Keir Starmer has announced that he won't be nationalising transport on the same morning that Andy Burnham confirmed he was able to take all the buses in Manchester back under public control.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

quote:

My second principle is that we must grow our contribution in a distinctively British way. This means two things. First, that we need resilient supply chains in sectors which are vital for British security and growth. That’s why we have a strategy to buy, make and sell more in Britain, why £3bn of our climate investment pledge will help forge a new future for our steel industry, and why we have committed to new public procurement rules that will build up Britain’s sovereign capabilities in key industries.

And let me be clear: it isn’t protectionist to say this. Or somehow old fashioned. Britain will always be an outward facing, confident, trading nation. But all around the world, businesses are looking again at the resilience of their supply chains. Reacting to the crises we have faced and will face in the future. Countries must do the same.

Second, a British approach means we cannot transplant the economic model of another country onto ours. I met Olaf Scholz, Chancellor of Germany and leader of our sister party, the SPD, the other day. He is showing that when levelling-up is based on practical plans, not far-fetched promises, amazing things can happen. In eastern Germany right now, some of the poorest parts of the country are leading the continent in the lucrative race to develop batteries that store renewable energy. This is what can be done.

And, as Lisa Nandy has spelt out, just because the Tory commitment to levelling up is dead, doesn’t mean the idea of levelling up is dead – Labour will take it on. But to do this in a way that isn’t pure boosterism, we must be honest about British strengths.

Take manufacturing. Britain has an extraordinary genius when it comes to manufacturing. We lead the world in pharmaceuticals, bio-science, aerospace. The Nissan factory in Sunderland is one of the most productive in Europe. And the Covid-19 vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University has saved millions of lives around the world. When I was at Airbus in Filton, I saw them working with 3D engineering – literally shaping components by bringing together particles and matter in a way unimaginable in the factory my dad used to work in.

We can and should take advantage of these strengths. The road to higher growth and productivity runs right through them. But we are not Germany. The role manufacturing plays in our economy will always be different. And we have superpower strengths – in universities, in creative industries, in exporting services – that other countries can’t compete with. The challenge in both services and manufacturing is the same.

The best of British is the best in the world. And the way we stay competitive is to get more of it: more innovation, more new technology, more research and development, more unlocking the commercial power of our universities, more specialising in the knowledge-rich industries of the future, and more start-ups, which is why we have asked Lord Jim O’Neil to look at how we can make Britain the best country in the world to start a new business. And why we have a plan to Make Brexit Work that doesn’t ignore the strength of our services or our universities.

But an economy that grows our contribution, must rest on strong foundations. Foundations that are there in every community. That is why the work Rachel has been doing on the everyday economy is so important. Retail, education, health and care – we saw in the pandemic how much of the wealth we create depends on these sectors being strong. For too long industrial strategy has simply ignored them. And with that, ignored one of Britain’s distinctive challenges on growth.

Labour’s industrial strategy will contain a plan for the everyday economy. And our new deal for working people will introduce new employment rights to give greater security for people working in it.

Speech goes on:

quote:

That brings me to my third principle: partnership. For growth that is strong, secure and fair – we must work together. We need real partnership between state and market. Business and worker. The everyday economy and the technological frontier – and it is the job of a modern industrial strategy to make sure this partnership grows our collective contribution.

Not in a nostalgic way where government directs the activities of businesses. Modern industrial strategy isn’t about growing the size of the state – it’s about what the state does. How it supports businesses to innovate and grow. Brings in the creative brilliance of our universities. And applies them to the national missions we must all contribute towards. Whether that’s leading the world in artificial intelligence or applying our genius to the challenge of net zero.

Just down the road, at the Materials Innovation Factory, the University of Liverpool and Unilever are partnering to bridge the gap between scientific research and production. Developing the new materials we need to tackle climate change or discover life-saving new medicines. We need to do so much more of this mission-driven partnership. But the government doesn’t have a plan. And we have a massive job on our hands when it comes to private investment.

For decades, we have trailed our competitors. In France, businesses invest around 30% more relative to GDP every year. If we could just close this gap, we would land a serious blow in our battle against low growth. We know it requires public investment – that is why we have our climate investment pledge. We know it requires fair taxation – that is why we will scrap business rates and replace them with a system that levels the playing field.

Worth comparing:

quote:

A lack of support for manufacturing is sucking the dynamism out of our economy, pay from the pockets of our workers and any hope of secure well-paid jobs from a generation of our young people.

That is why Labour is committed to turning things around.

It must be our job in government to reprogramme our economy so that it stops working for the few and begins working for the many.

That is why we will build things here again that for too long have been built abroad because we have failed to invest.

Doing this will allow us to have greater control over the economy, giving us the chance to boost people’s pay and to limit the power of the unearned wealth of the super-rich in our society.

Because Labour is committed to supporting our manufacturing industries and the skills of workers in this country we want to make sure the government uses more of its own money to buy here in Britain.

The state spends over £200 billion per year in the private sector.

That spending power alone gives us levers to stimulate industry, to encourage business to act in people’s interests by encouraging genuine enterprise, fairness, cutting edge investment, high-quality service and doing right by communities.

But to ensure prosperity here we must be supporting our industries, making sure that where possible the government is backing our industries and not merely overseeing their decline.

Take the example of the three new Fleet Solid Support Ships for the Royal Fleet Auxillary.

Why is the Government sending a £1 billion contract and all the skilled jobs, tax revenues and work in the supply chain to build those three ships overseas when we have the shipyards to build them here?

There are workers in Liverpool, Belfast, Rosyth and Plymouth who are keen to do that work but when I visited some of those shipyards I learned something else too – there are not enough workers being trained here in the UK to meet the potential demand.

On Brexit, Theresa May is very fond of saying “we will take back control of our laws, our money and our borders”. At the moment her first priority should be taking back control of her Cabinet.

But if she’s so serious about taking back control why has her Government offshored the production of our new British passports to France? Workers in Gateshead were making them and that work has been taken away from that community.

Unsurprisingly the French aren’t queuing up to have their French passports made in Britain.

We have plenty of capacity to build train carriages in the UK and yet repeatedly over recent years these contracts have been farmed out abroad, costing our economy crucial investment, jobs for workers and tax revenues.

Carrying on like this is simply not sustainable.

If we want to reprogramme our economy so that it works for everybody, we must use powers we have to back good jobs and industry here.

Between 2014 and 2017 Network Rail awarded contracts worth tens of millions of pounds to companies outside of the UK while the NHS awarded contracts worth over a billion.

In the same period the Ministry of Defence awarded contracts elsewhere worth over £1.5 billion pounds even though we are under no obligation under either European or international law to open up defence contracts to overseas bidders.

Labour is determined to see public contracts provide public benefit using our money to nurture and grow our industries and to expand our tax base.

The next Labour government will bring contracts back in-house, ending the racket of outsourcing that has turned our public services into a cash cow for the few.

And we will use the huge weight of the government’s purchasing power to support our workers and industries.

This will be done using a three-pronged approach:

Changing how we buy things with new procurement rules so that government supports jobs and industry.

Investing in infrastructure to support companies here in Britain to keep goods flowing efficiently and costs low.

And increasing investment in education, skills and lifelong learning through the National Education Service that we will create – and I want to pay tribute to the work done by Angela Rayner in this regard.[..

Nobody knows for sure when the next election will be or where we will be with Brexit when it comes, but one thing is certain the next Labour government is committed to creating high quality jobs in every region and nation of the UK, to develop new industries and support good domestic businesses – large and small.

We should also look at extending the rights of local authorities in parts of the country worst hit by forty years of industrial decline to be exempt from some World Trade Organisation rules, as some US states are, and therefore be able to require provision for local suppliers and jobs in public contracts.

This would help the regeneration of areas long forgotten by those in Whitehall or Westminster who claim to know what’s best.

The next Labour government will not just sit back and manage the ongoing decline of swathes of our economy. We can and must make a difference.

That’s why we will use the state to actively intervene in the economy, to create as much wealth as possible and, crucially, to ensure that wealth is shared fairly between everybody in our society.

Functionally, it's not all that different; Corbyn's Labour was not actually all that interested in protectionism or manufacturing - recall that when push came to shove in budgeting out the manifesto, all the industrial-renaissance stuff besides procurement protectionism got canned in favour of green measures - conversely Starmer's Labour is not actually renouncing Build It In Britain (quite the reverse). But of course the earlier speech rhetorically leans into it as much as Starmer's leans away from it.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


It seems like he's trying to fit the justification to the slogan rather than the other way around.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Private Speech posted:

It seems like he's trying to fit the justification to the slogan rather than the other way around.

My guess is that there's not many ways to describe protectionism for public procurement without scaring off people who don't like protectionism for public procurement

A core principle of EU policy is moving past the era where every European country had ferocious measures against its neighbours. We all know that, which is why Corbyn was well-placed to drive a Brexit Tory government up the wall about it. Note that Labour circa this point was still pitching customs union Brexit so we also knew, at the same time, that almost all of that rhetoric attacking outsourcing to France was just bait for the inattentive. If May can sell an impossible Brexit then why not Labour too?

in bold new "We will not be joining a customs union" Labour Brexit policy era this might actually scare off people though

ronya fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Jul 25, 2022

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


a pipe smoking dog posted:

It's very funny that Keir Starmer has announced that he won't be nationalising transport on the same morning that Andy Burnham confirmed he was able to take all the buses in Manchester back under public control.

To be fair:

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1551494238910676995

Still poo poo though!

Oh, and has everyone forgotten that it turned out that NotJustANumber99 in fact never owned a Tesla and the whole thing was just a rather tedious troll that went on for ages?

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Comrade Fakename posted:

Oh, and has everyone forgotten that it turned out that NotJustANumber99 in fact never owned a Tesla and the whole thing was just a rather tedious troll that went on for ages?

How do you prove someone doesn't own a car via their posting tho? I remember pointing out when he was talking about putting petrol in his car, but honestly who knows. The possibility of it really all being made up is so sad that it's hard to contemplate

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Private Speech posted:

It seems like he's trying to fit the justification to the slogan rather than the other way around.

Really. Those policies, if that isn't too strong a word, are completely unremarkable stuff that half the centre-X parties in Europe would be alright with. If you take as given the idea that the main purpose of the state is to promote private business, they're fine. But those slogans sound like nothing at all and don't give you any idea what the policies are, they're the kind of thing a Tory minister you've never heard of would have on their election campaign leaflet. It seems like Labour are just relying on the Tories finally having become too toxic to vote for (maybe), the Lib Dems entirely forgotten by everyone (probably), and presumably not contesting Scotland at all, so they get into government by default.

Looke
Aug 2, 2013

Comrade Fakename posted:

Oh, and has everyone forgotten that it turned out that NotJustANumber99 in fact never owned a Tesla and the whole thing was just a rather tedious troll that went on for ages?

he 100% has a tesla lol

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Failed Imagineer posted:

How do you prove someone doesn't own a car via their posting tho? I remember pointing out when he was talking about putting petrol in his car, but honestly who knows. The possibility of it really all being made up is so sad that it's hard to contemplate

I think the fact that he posted about putting petrol in his car, and then people asked "don't you have a Tesla", and then he went quiet, is enough proof for me.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



As much as I hate posting about posters (or defending 99, either) there are photos of his Tesla in his house building thread, and he does have multiple vehicles.

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

that's an incredibly low standard of proof

e: not the photos of the tesla. that's quite a high standard

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
putting petrol in a Tesla is like putting petrol in a diesel motor - only jealous losers tell you not to do it cause they don't want you to have a good time

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Comrade Fakename posted:

I think the fact that he posted about putting petrol in his car, and then people asked "don't you have a Tesla", and then he went quiet, is enough proof for me.

He was probably posting from the central console of his Tesla and some leftover radium code caused a BSOD

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
Pretty hard to imagine a Tesla owner who also makes bad posts online.

el dingo
Mar 19, 2009


Ogres are like onions
99 isn't real it's been the tesla posting the whole time

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

Hong XiuQuan posted:

The worst thing about these kinds of feelings is people who had them - that is that Corbyn was so racist their lives would have been (indeed have been!) dramatically effected had he won - have absolutely nothing to say for how black/brown/Muslim Britons feel after the country keeps returning a racist party that has explicitly told us it wants to revoke fundamental rights (among myriad other things). While I'm sure the feelings are real the risk was miniscule. The risk so much graver for someone called Abdullah who might have a parent with an Indian passport.

Oh they have plenty to say, in my experience:

"Labour is the traditional party of anti-racist voters, but they were unable to cast a vote for Labour in 2019 with a virulent antisemite in charge"

Then they point to the turnout for 2019 and note that the Tory vote stayed roughly the same and Labour's shrank, and they project their prior reasoning onto this data. No one in the mainstream press challenges this assertion, so now it's fact. An 80 seat Tory majority is the fault of Corbyn and his supporters because he prevented good, moral voters from being able to vote Labour.

These same people will be urging left wingers to vote for austerity-Labour in the next general in the name of "harm reduction" and reminding them that they either voted Lib Dem or sat at home in December 2019 is doxxing, sorry

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012


Corbyn was just like all the other Blairites you say? What a fascinating idea, I've never seen you talk like this before! Tell us more!

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Comrade Fakename posted:

I think the fact that he posted about putting petrol in his car, and then people asked "don't you have a Tesla", and then he went quiet, is enough proof for me.

Someone stupid enough to own a Tesla and lionise the company is most certainly stupid enough to try filling it up at the pump, and probably stupid enough to succeed.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Umbra Dubium posted:

his house building thread, and he does have multiple vehicles.

Proving he's not a liar by proving he's a Tory, interesting

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Putting petrol in a Tesla just helps it burn faster.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Failed Imagineer posted:

putting petrol in a Tesla is like putting petrol in a diesel motor - only jealous losers tell you not to do it cause they don't want you to have a good time

much like throwing car batteries into the ocean, really

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
It's only a real carbatteria if it's made with lead and acid.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Guavanaut posted:

It's only a real carbatteria if it's made with lead and acid.

otherwise it's just sparkling lithium

Convex
Aug 19, 2010

Guavanaut posted:

It's only a real carbatteria if it's made with lead and acid.

be sure to slice the batteries extra finely so they just dissolve into the frying pan!

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

loving hell. lol....
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1551483430373826565
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1551483447901884417

Solefald
Jun 9, 2010

sleepy~capy


el dingo posted:

99 isn't real it's been the tesla posting the whole time

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


I like how they were all "no we won't do anymore debates, it would just hurt us if the candidates attack each other".

Funny how that goes by the wayside when it comes to the final stretch for the big chair.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Read 99s building thread to see pics of the Tesla and ended up reading and 5ing the whole thing, and now legitimately have empathy and respect for him lol.

Personally I would have just bought a house

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1551543874593628161?s=20&t=gFXCEnX039SemjC0No-rRA

lol

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
The UK would definitively prefer a fucken idiot who believes in some evil poo poo, than a clever-clogs who believes in absolutely nothing.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

fuctifino posted:

loving hell. lol....
So on the day where MI5 has been proven to have been breaking the law against hundreds of thousands of people, Rishi coincidentally decides that the real threat to Britain is the eternal Chinaman, and MI5 needs even more powers and less oversight :thunk:

https://twitter.com/libertyhq/status/1551522376260747264

Desiderata
May 25, 2005
Go placidly amid the noise and haste...
Chinese Communist party cunningly exerting their soft power by just letting the British state and British businessmen tear down our own factories here, and then set them up over there. The monsters!

But fear not: we will steadfastly refuse to learn the language of the coming global superpower we outsourced our productive capacity to. That'll show 'em!

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


keep punching joe posted:

Putting petrol in a Tesla just helps it burn faster.

Outrageous implication here. As if Tesla cars need any help burning quickly

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Global Times even endorsed Rishi, the ingratitude!

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202207/1271070.shtml

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Failed Imagineer posted:

The UK would definitively prefer a fucken idiot who believes in some evil poo poo, than a clever-clogs who believes in absolutely nothing.

Doesn't that imply that one of the candidates was a clever-clogs?
That might be a flaw there.

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