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Failed Imagineer posted:The UK would definitively prefer a fucken idiot who believes in some evil poo poo, than a clever-clogs who believes in absolutely nothing. And their alternative to the Tories is a loving idiot who believes in absolutely nothing.
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Failed Imagineer posted:The UK would definitively prefer a fucken idiot who believes in some evil poo poo, than a clever-clogs who believes in absolutely nothing. Well yeah, I'd prefer Truss over Starmer: at least Truss as PM would provide a few laughs. And who the gently caress would want to see Starmer droning away on the news every single night, Christ.
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The Perfect Element posted:I wish I hadn't looked at her twitter. She seems genuinely deranged, and I can't believe she's going to be getting much work after this. She's a loving hack shill, she's going to do just fine. E: so you don't have to click a Mail link: She wrote a stunt millennial piece selling out her generation, saying we want to live with our parents and be doted on, and she wrote it in exchange for cash from nazi enablers. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Failed Imagineer posted:now legitimately have empathy and respect for him lol. lol
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Failed Imagineer posted:Read 99s building thread [...] and now legitimately have empathy and respect for him lol. NotJustANumber99 posted:stick wedges in, get it just right before tightening up bolts...
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Dabir posted:Corbyn was just like all the other Blairites you say? What a fascinating idea, I've never seen you talk like this before! Tell us more! I have said before that I think the unique and really new achievement of the Corbynism period is the concept of universal public services as the core ambition of 'socialism for the 21st century' amongst adherents of the new socialist revival, especially as the dust settled from 2017 onwards. That element really is novel! Of all the possible post-alt-globalization tendencies, it crystallized around something that continues to dominate thinking in the new generation of leftie think tanks even post-Corbyn. So, no, Corbynism was not just cynical Brownism ("Blairism with a human face") warmed over. Much of the rest was opportunistic rhetorical imagery with no real ambition to engage in systematic indicative planning or revive tripartism, though (noting that Blairism, too, was not above engaging in such opportunistic appeals to nostalgia for NEDCs itself). I stand by that argument. So you want to spend more on capital investment; guess what, so do the Tories now, and nobody thinks that qualifies them as ideologically transformative. I think it's fair to suggest that a hypothetical Corbyn government was never seriously going to engage in public procurement protectionism over a customs union, given the choice, and a lot of pro-Corbyn folks ITT likewise also asserted that Labour 2017-2019 really did have a plan toward maintaining single market access. Which by the same token means that speech's outrage at outsourcing to France was, in a pretty big way, dishonest. But of course, when the Tories are likewise lying through their teeth on Brexit and getting away with it, why not do the same? All's fair, etc. Reasonable political calculations and all, but let's not have that also confuse discussion years later. (There is something darkly funny that the Labour soft left, post-Brexit, may now find itself obliged to follow through on the letter of promises that a hard left leadership would have been forgiven by its stalwarts for reprioritizing - but Starmer has had lots of reboots already so who knows if it would survive the next one) ronya fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Lol exactly. I mean, I spent like a year getting guys in to put a new extension on my house , and it gave me a minor mental breakdown just watching them do the building. Him doing all that poo poo largely by himself and only hospitalizing himself and his brother so far is genuinely impressive in a very particular kind of way. And I lol'ed more reading the thread than I would have expected
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Bobby Deluxe posted:https://twitter.com/glenninluton/status/1551479694712872960?t=039_RZ56oeN71OKaYHERgQ&s=19 quote:When I moved out in my 20s, Mum was indignant; she took it as a personal insult that I wanted to leave her lovely home and castigated me for frittering away my hard-earned money on paying a greedy landlord's mortgage. this part isn't followed up on for some reason 
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lol, she really is going to cost the Guardian a fuckload of money. https://twitter.com/rivkahbrown/status/1551577045519458305?s=21&t=rlBTSfmMFZwoLHnTfzORPQ
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The tweet sucks, but what is defamatory about it?
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sinky posted:The tweet sucks, but what is defamatory about it? Probably part of the overall anti-Semitism allegation.
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Sian Goorwich makes it sound like she doesn't even pay her parents a contribution towards the household. Myself and iirc all my friends did that once we were over 18 and working - it's not rent-rent as none of our parents would have kicked us out of we couldn't pay, but an acknowledgement that as an adult you should contribute towards the household if able to do so.
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Personally I wouldn't want to be accused of being a token hire specifically employed to legitimise a fictional antisemitic hate campaign but idk what the legal definition of defamation is.
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Angrymog posted:Sian Goorwich makes it sound like she doesn't even pay her parents a contribution towards the household. Myself and iirc all my friends did that once we were over 18 and working - it's not rent-rent as none of our parents would have kicked us out of we couldn't pay, but an acknowledgement that as an adult you should contribute towards the household if able to do so.
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For what it's worth here in the UK defamation is anything that has harmed, or could harm, your reputation. Only businesses need to prove financial damages.
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sinky posted:The tweet sucks, but what is defamatory about it? There are also multiple examples from other tweets today that use Brown's name and talk about Novara wanting to kill jews and a have a second holocaust, she seems to have had a completely normal one. I feel like Corbyn really hosed it by not suing the everloving poo poo out of anyone claiming he was antisemitic. Especially the tory resignation letters, it seems to have emboldened this new round of cuntery and is now harming anyone who drifts left of Mosley. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I feel like Corbyn really hosed it by not suing the everloving poo poo out of anyone claiming he was antisemitic. Especially the tory resignation letters, it seems to have emboldened this new round of cuntery and is now harming anyone who drifts left of Mosley. I believe he is currently taking someone to court, so he might be waiting on the outcome of that one before going after the rest
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The perfect strategy to not get sued for libel by Joromy Cormbly:
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Take your pick: Implying she's only there as a token minority to enable Novara to be antisemitic, the attendant implication that Novara is antisemitic, the core implication that the left is antisemitic and also the phrase 'useful idiot' and everything that implies. If she'd just said 'useful idiot', then maybe not defamatory. But she presented this all as fact and 'useful idiot' in the context of being a 'token Jew' both suggests 1) she's not qualified for her job but was picked on basis of racial shielding and 2) she's some kind of antisemitic "collaborator" with all of the baggage that entails. I'd suggest that alone directed at a Jewish person can be seriously harmful. Combine that with the fact that she's a commissioning editor and Rivkah is a jobbing journalist (ie even though she works at Novara, she's open to eg writing gigs) and you've got a situation where this defamation could be witnessed by eg other editors and harm work prospects. It's a colossally stupid position to put oneself in.
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Hong XiuQuan posted:It's a colossally stupid position to put oneself in. Good thing 'centrists' have never done this before.
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Hong XiuQuan posted:If she'd just said 'useful idiot', then maybe not defamatory. But she presented this all as fact and 'useful idiot' in the context of being a 'token Jew' both suggests 1) she's not qualified for her job but was picked on basis of racial shielding and 2) she's some kind of antisemitic "collaborator" with all of the baggage that entails. I'd suggest that alone directed at a Jewish person can be seriously harmful. Should probably say it's unlikely Rivkah would sue. Much more likely (and arguably more serious) will be (or should be) the professional ramifications. This is not how a serious commissioning editor behaves and she's likely put herself in a troubling spot for anyone who's tried to get work published at the Guardian. The Guardian should have to do *something* about this.
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Hong XiuQuan posted:Should probably say it's unlikely Rivkah would sue. Much more likely (and arguably more serious) will be (or should be) the professional ramifications. This is not how a serious commissioning editor behaves and she's likely put herself in a troubling spot for anyone who's tried to get work published at the Guardian. The Guardian should have to do *something* about this. That said, Rivkah did specifically bring up her experience with libel law and her contacts with capable lawyers, so she's clearly prepared to put legal action on the table as one of her options.
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notaspy posted:I believe he is currently taking someone to court, so he might be waiting on the outcome of that one before going after the rest It would be incredible if he'd lured a bunch of melts into libelling him and then just did a victory lap scalping each one of them in turn. Incredible, but unlikely
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Normally I'd say she should take her to the cleaners regardless of whatever insincere half-measures the Guardian would propose to placate her, but I'm not sure how you'd really make someone feel some financial pain when they're living at home and have access to all the plain chicken breasts on demand that a heart could desire and they consider this living so richly that it's column-worthy
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Hong XiuQuan posted:The Guardian should have to do *something* about this. And that something is a 10k word article about Jermery Corbyn Bad, written by S. Goorwich. Epic High Five posted:Normally I'd say she should take her to the cleaners regardless of whatever insincere half-measures the Guardian would propose to placate her, but I'm not sure how you'd really make someone feel some financial pain when they're living at home and have access to all the plain chicken breasts on demand that a heart could desire and they consider this living so richly that it's column-worthy Carter Rucked so badly her parents have to sell the house to cover damages/fees. sinky fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Mail: Millionaire Corbyn sues homeless Jewish woman, makes her double homeless. Wait no we hate the homeless,* poo poo poo poo poo poo... * And Jewish people.
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I'd bet she is fishing to get fired from the guardian for "calling out antisemitism" so that she can get on the right wing gift circuit.
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jiggerypokery posted:I'd bet she is fishing to get fired from the guardian for "calling out antisemitism" so that she can get on the right wing gift circuit. Well she already works for the Viner-era Guardian...
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jiggerypokery posted:I'd bet she is fishing to get fired from the guardian for "calling out antisemitism" so that she can get on the right wing gift circuit. This is a strategy that only works if you're not stupid enough to make yourself a serious financial threat to whoever hires you, though.
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Darth Walrus posted:That said, Rivkah did specifically bring up her experience with libel law and her contacts with capable lawyers, so she's clearly prepared to put legal action on the table as one of her options. Absolutely hope she sues. Agree with everyone else saying it's been a mistake for more on the left who've been clearly defamed to not have sued. Makes those who don't care think there's a story there and makes those who do think it's open season.
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Worth a watch if you'd like to see Keith looking like he wants to crawl into a hole in the ground: https://twitter.com/shirleymush/status/1551594724967997441?s=20&t=ji_YePraU8MCPQizC8xsWQ
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Could have sworn somebody has already had to fork out for saying Corbyn was an antisemite. I remember a withdrawal/apology tweet and everything. Am I going crazy?
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Failed Imagineer posted:It would be incredible if he'd lured a bunch of melts into libelling him and then just did a victory lap scalping each one of them in turn. Incredible, but unlikely
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Angepain posted:wtf is a distinctively british economy Going by recent history, bad.
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Angepain posted:wtf is a distinctively british economy [CANZUK NOISES INCREASING] 
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