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achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

KingKalamari posted:

Yeah, I know almost nothing about Vaush and his content but everything I've seen of him just seems so immensely smug and insufferable.
His whole Leftist for NATO aesthetic is also really annoying because it gets a bunch of people confused that NATO getting involved in Ukraine is good

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nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Grondoth posted:

Maybe they're all people the term was coined for, gay people in an area where there's no one else like them.

Also not having sex is no longer the deciding factor in whether one is an incel or not these days. You can be married and having sex regularly and still be an incel if your a tiny minded, miserable prick who thinks women are sub human. Best example I can think of is The Quartering, that dude is somehow provably married but also 100% an incel.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

nine-gear crow posted:

Also not having sex is no longer the deciding factor in whether one is an incel or not these days. You can be married and having sex regularly and still be an incel if your a tiny minded, miserable prick who thinks women are sub human. Best example I can think of is The Quartering, that dude is somehow provably married but also 100% an incel.

It can actually be proven Hambly's married? Wow. There's something for the no accounting for taste file.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Dawgstar posted:

It can actually be proven Hambly's married? Wow. There's something for the no accounting for taste file.

To be fair, Jeremy's wife 1) is also just as big of a pile of human poo poo as he is apparently, and 2) absolutely hates him and goes out of her way to associate with him as little as humanly possible because he's a sloppy drunken opioid addict who pees in his basement and jerks off She-Ra porn.

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011
Grimbeard just dropped 2 hours on Planescape: Torment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJSHL7E4sc

I don't think I can watch, an examination of something I held so dear when I was growing up is bound to make me disappointed in what I liked.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

achillesforever6 posted:

His whole Leftist for NATO aesthetic is also really annoying because it gets a bunch of people confused that NATO getting involved in Ukraine is good

was it him or Destiny who yelled at an actual Vietnamese communist that the Vietnam war proves America was superior or something?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Destiny was the one who yelled at Luna about the Vietnam War. Vaush yelled about Jews to her husband.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBncJZSX8aQ

"He said that the dinosaur is like the Joker." What in god's name is Treverrow smoking?

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Arc Hammer posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBncJZSX8aQ

"He said that the dinosaur is like the Joker." What in god's name is Treverrow smoking?

It's really brave of him to keep asking for Bitcoin donations in that video description after the bottom fell out of that marketplace.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Grondoth posted:

Grimbeard just dropped 2 hours on Planescape: Torment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJSHL7E4sc

I don't think I can watch, an examination of something I held so dear when I was growing up is bound to make me disappointed in what I liked.

I think you'll probably be ok with his take, it's extremely fair and doesn't hold the combat against it too much.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe
I replayed Planescape last year and the part that I found that aged terribly was the knowledge Avellone is a sexpest and how that clouded some of the major plot threads.

The story is still great. Just a few parts come across as quite gross now that we know what he's like with women.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Mokinokaro posted:

I replayed Planescape last year and the part that I found that aged terribly was the knowledge Avellone is a sexpest and how that clouded some of the major plot threads.

The story is still great. Just a few parts come across as quite gross now that we know what he's like with women.

Yeah, that's fair; videogames are enough of a collaborative medium that there's huge chunks of the game he hasn't even got his fingers on, so you can still enjoy the thing overall, just like KOTOR2.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

Fil5000 posted:

Yeah, that's fair; videogames are enough of a collaborative medium that there's huge chunks of the game he hasn't even got his fingers on, so you can still enjoy the thing overall, just like KOTOR2.

I'm chiefly talking about Deionarra. He wrote her entire plot. He seems to like writing about abused women a lot in RPGs actually...

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once
i LOVED planescape when i played it for the first time last year (lol) but it absolutely has that 90s gamedev stank on it. the outfits on the girls are hysterical

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

fun hater posted:

i LOVED planescape when i played it for the first time last year (lol) but it absolutely has that 90s gamedev stank on it. the outfits on the girls are hysterical

But once you recognize the secret reason for Annah's exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

fun hater posted:

i LOVED planescape when i played it for the first time last year (lol) but it absolutely has that 90s gamedev stank on it. the outfits on the girls are hysterical

what do you mean

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
Asian babes, as distinct from human babes

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

DoctorWhat posted:

Asian babes, as distinct from human babes

Are we already back to Star Wars chat about the near-human Space Asians?

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?
Skeletons should not have eyeballs.

SkeletonHero
Sep 7, 2010

:dehumanize:
:killing:
:dehumanize:
The only Asian in Torment is Dak'kon and I don't think he qualifies as a babe. Yet another unfulfilled promise by the Black Isle Boyz.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

SkeletonHero posted:

The only Asian in Torment is Dak'kon and I don't think he qualifies as a babe. Yet another unfulfilled promise by the Black Isle Boyz.

Is he Asian? He's shaped entirely by his own will and voiced by Mitch Pileggi, where does Asia come into it?

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Fil5000 posted:

Yeah, that's fair; videogames are enough of a collaborative medium that there's huge chunks of the game he hasn't even got his fingers on, so you can still enjoy the thing overall, just like KOTOR2.

If anything it's even funnier now to do a playthrough where you just tell Kreia to gently caress off with her bullshit at every possible turn knowing she's the direct mouthpiece for a bitter sex pest.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Sydin posted:

If anything it's even funnier now to do a playthrough where you just tell Kreia to gently caress off with her bullshit at every possible turn knowing she's the direct mouthpiece for a bitter sex pest.

Much digital ink has been spilled over Kreia is Right or Kreia is Wrong and at this point I don't really care, I just don't don't want to hear Avellone ramble on at me. It is admittedly worse in New Vegas as at least we know Kreia from the start of the game and not a rando who has a giant grudge against us for something we never saw and are only briefly filled in about. (Chris thought that was a genius bit of storytelling.)

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Fil5000 posted:

Is he Asian? He's shaped entirely by his own will and voiced by Mitch Pileggi, where does Asia come into it?

What's the green interdimensional alien equivalent to a weeaboo?

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Avellone is simply unable to stop himself from writing the same character in every single game. Regardless of any other inputs the best he can do is split that angry mouthpiece character into two characters.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
I mean even beyond Kreia there's some poo poo in KOTOR 2 that I'd previously just written off as dumb early 2000's nerd bait that takes on a whole new light given Avellone's proclivities towards woman. Like how both the female "love interests" have the same "you beat me up and now I'm devoted to you" thing going on, or really the fact that you can't go through two lines of dialogue with a female party member without Kreia's next words to you being "ah I see you want to gently caress the miraluka" like jesus christ shut the gently caress up Chris.

Honestly I tried to replay KOTOR 2 earlier this year and it used to be one of my all time favorites, but this time it just felt like a slog and I quit relatively early on. Even ignoring all the Avellone poo poo there's just so much tedious combat filler to wade through, and while the restored content mod is functionally a requirement these days it restores things that were pretty clearly left on the cutting room floor not because they were unfinished, but because they realized in testing it was unfun dogshit and should be cut for the sake of player sanity. Like the part on Nar Shadaa where you have to fight all the way across the map to the bar with your non-PC party members, then quickly after fight all the way back across the map to the Ebon Hawk through wave after wave after loving wave of guys is all the mod and it can seriously gently caress off.

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once

Alaois posted:

what do you mean



im going to explode laughing at how emblematic this is of its time and place


Sydin posted:

If anything it's even funnier now to do a playthrough where you just tell Kreia to gently caress off with her bullshit at every possible turn knowing she's the direct mouthpiece for a bitter sex pest.

kotor 2 is one of the most idealogically funny games ever made. shes so libertarian

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I suppose I should point out that Kreia is ultimately proven to be wrong in the end and that she never realized how she was trapped by the narrative hand of fate no matter how much she raged at it.

Randallteal
May 7, 2006

The tears of time

Alaois posted:

what do you mean



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anRy0JeHeCY&t=2186s

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Palatine was merely a pawn in Kreia's hands

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Dawgstar posted:

Much digital ink has been spilled over Kreia is Right or Kreia is Wrong and at this point I don't really care, I just don't don't want to hear Avellone ramble on at me. It is admittedly worse in New Vegas as at least we know Kreia from the start of the game and not a rando who has a giant grudge against us for something we never saw and are only briefly filled in about. (Chris thought that was a genius bit of storytelling.)

I've said it before, but it remains weird to me that people out there will defend stuff like this with "well yeah, that patented Chris Avellone Character is allowed to dump all their pontificating bullshit on you, but then since these are Good RPGs you can then tell that character to gently caress off!" as if that cleanly solves the problem.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



"You can just not buy Lonesome Road" is a lot more compelling.

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

nine-gear crow posted:

Also not having sex is no longer the deciding factor in whether one is an incel or not these days. You can be married and having sex regularly and still be an incel if your a tiny minded, miserable prick who thinks women are sub human. Best example I can think of is The Quartering, that dude is somehow provably married but also 100% an incel.

There's already a word for people who think less of women despite having sex with them, they're called "misogynists"

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
The funniest part of Lonesome Road is that with high enough speech you can talk Ulysses down from his insanely convoluted revenge scheme and everything just ends with the big bad parallel to the player who's been built up for four DLC's just kinda milling around on a cliff somewhere and if you talk to him he's all "hey man sorry again about all that back there, I was kinda going through some poo poo."

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
So I've recently gotten into Jose and rather like his deep-dives into the history of old sitcoms. Are there any good recommendations with similar content? I suppose Pushing Up Roses scratches a similar itch, but I'm all caught up on her content.

bird.
Jun 20, 2010

anyone know of a channel/essayist that focuses on emerging and dying north american slang? to sort of help contextualize calling non-food things "spicy" is slang that seems to have hit oversaturation and is dying in NA, while "bet" as a way of saying "let's do this" is rising, and "tent" as a way of saying content is emerging

wondering if there is someone who focuses on this more closely than just what i see/hear happening in my PNW orbit

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

John Murdoch posted:

I've said it before, but it remains weird to me that people out there will defend stuff like this with "well yeah, that patented Chris Avellone Character is allowed to dump all their pontificating bullshit on you, but then since these are Good RPGs you can then tell that character to gently caress off!" as if that cleanly solves the problem.

I'd say that the ability to dispute the Avellone soapbox is a valid point of view, so I must be weird then. Note, I also think Ulysses is full of poo poo. Kreia is a character who is wrong in a compelling way where she has a point that is ultimately proven futile. Ulysses tries to go for mysticism and ends up coming across as preachy nonsense. You can either treat that as a quirk of the character and engage with him under the pretense that he's a crazy person, or you can go online and talk about how badly written he is and people should feel bad for enjoying a game with such a bad character written by a bad person.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Arc Hammer posted:

I'd say that the ability to dispute the Avellone soapbox is a valid point of view, so I must be weird then. Note, I also think Ulysses is full of poo poo. Kreia is a character who is wrong in a compelling way where she has a point that is ultimately proven futile. Ulysses tries to go for mysticism and ends up coming across as preachy nonsense. You can either treat that as a quirk of the character and engage with him under the pretense that he's a crazy person, or you can go online and talk about how badly written he is and people should feel bad for enjoying a game with such a bad character written by a bad person.

I mean, I always found Avellone's character writing ponderous to the point of insufferable. I never played Lonesome Road, but Kreia being nails-on-a-chalkboard levels of unbearable was a big part of why I bounced off KotOR 2. When I played PoE, Durance and Grieving Mother stood out immediately as his creations. I'm not calling anyone bad for enjoying games he worked on, but I'm never not gonna think that all his characters read like college essays stapled to a mannequin.

Him turning out to be a sex pest is unrelated, but it does tidy away the shred of guilt I felt about not liking the work of a writer who so many other people thought was da' bee's knees.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

So I've recently gotten into Jose and rather like his deep-dives into the history of old sitcoms. Are there any good recommendations with similar content? I suppose Pushing Up Roses scratches a similar itch, but I'm all caught up on her content.

Matt Baume covers similar content from an LGBTQ perspective. High quality stuff. And poparena is doing a full history of Nickelodeon show by show.

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Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

So I've recently gotten into Jose and rather like his deep-dives into the history of old sitcoms. Are there any good recommendations with similar content? I suppose Pushing Up Roses scratches a similar itch, but I'm all caught up on her content.

Well, Quinton Reviews has been doing multiple deep dives into Nickelodeon teen sitcoms. If that interests you, then you just have to crack open this chest over here to take a look:


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