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Rob Filter posted:Right, your claiming that outdoors transmission is all but impossible except in dense crowds. I'm asking you to back up that specific claim with facts and evidence, or abandon it. Um, the initial unsubstantiated claim in that line of discussion is that wearing a mask outdoors reduces the risk of COVID transmission in some meaningful way. enki42 posted:Who cares though? Why does it affect you? A lot of people in this thread sure seem to care, and are treating not wearing a mask outside as unacceptable risk-taking without actually knowing whether or not it is.
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freebooter posted:I'm not saying outdoor transmission is impossible, I'm saying it's so unlikely and unusual as to make mask wearing outdoors (assuming it's not super crowded) not worth the bother. This is what makes your "genuine belief it makes me safer" a psychological tick, in my view. Just because a belief is genuine does not make it true! Uh, what cost? The benefit is negligible, but the cost is double plus negligible. Imagine I'm going to the store. I'm going to leave my house, walk a couple blocks, go into a store, walk home.
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Personally, after so much time wearing n95s I just forget I have it on most of the time when I leave a building. Put it on to get groceries, then don't realize it's still there until I am turning my head to back out of the parking spot. On vacation I would regularly be reminded by my wife that I still had my mask on after we had gone outside.
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I literally stated like ten posts ago that no one should be attacking other people for their preferred level of risk prevention, and I think it's pretty loving weird that some of you seem to be really upset that other people are taking more precautions then you. Nobody gives a poo poo if you think COVID is over, because it's not and plenty of people would rather continue to take basic precautions than get it. The people in this discussion who do wear masks outside have given numerous logical reasons why, so maybe take them at their word and stop telling them that they are crazy, because that's a lovely and pointless thing to do and not productive for the thread.
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Jul 25, 2022 16:53
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freebooter posted:Over-zealous masking also gets my goat at the moment because the hot topic in the Australian media and government, as our hospitals come under pressure again, is about whether to reimplement indoor mask mandates (while bars and restaurants and nightclubs would still be open, mind you) instead of focusing on our utterly dismal ~60% third vax rate, with people who've only had two shots making up the vast majority of people getting hospitalised for COVID. I would be far happier to see us return to a vaccine mandate (this time for third shots) to enter hospo or non-essential retail premises than I would be to see the government umm and ahhh over whether to implement cloth masks in schools or whatever the gently caress. I'm not following what this has to do with outdoor masking or why re-introducing indoor mask mandates would be in any way a bad idea.
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I don't think it is hard to see how mandating masks when risk is relatively low could backfire. Nobody (even people who wear masks) follows the US health agency guidelines on eg. how to cook meat, and a third of the country is unvaccinated despite vaccines being even better than masks in terms of cost versus benefit. The reasoning for implementing a mask mandate isn't the same as for deciding to wear a mask yourself.
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This conversation had nothing to do with mask mandates when it started. Someone explained that they were comfortable wearing their mask while exercising and using bike trails and this caused Freebooter to make several posts accusing them of being mentally ill. Which, based on their most recent post, is because Freebooter is mad that his local government might reinstitute mask mandates in indoor areas. Please consider minding your own business and not giving a poo poo that someone in the US, a place with far fewer vaccinated individuals, much less boosted, wants to wear a mask outside.
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Jul 25, 2022 19:36
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It reminds me a lot of the debate about Muslim women wearing hijab. It's actually no one's business what people choose to wear! If you think it's your business because you, personally, don't agree with it, or think people are being stupid/oppressed/mentally ill -- it's still none of your business! Move on with your day, and keep your opinions about it to yourself. Maybe do some thinking about why you give a single gently caress what other people choose to wear.
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PT6A posted:It reminds me a lot of the debate about Muslim women wearing hijab. It's actually no one's business what people choose to wear! If you think it's your business because you, personally, don't agree with it, or think people are being stupid/oppressed/mentally ill -- it's still none of your business! Move on with your day, and keep your opinions about it to yourself. Maybe do some thinking about why you give a single gently caress what other people choose to wear. Reductio ad Rand Paul isn't very helpful when there's a factual, causal interaction between individuals and their choices. I think people care because it affects the likelihood of transmission of an infectious disease.
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Discendo Vox posted:Reductio ad Rand Paul isn't very helpful when there's a factual, causal interaction between individuals and their choices. I think people care because it affects the likelihood of transmission of an infectious disease. Well, there is at most no additional risk from people choosing to wear masks outdoors, which is what some people seem to be getting upset about. The case is slightly more muddy, I agree, when you discuss people taking more precautions judging those who are taking fewer/no precautions.
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Discendo Vox posted:Reductio ad Rand Paul isn't very helpful when there's a factual, causal interaction between individuals and their choices. I think people care because it affects the likelihood of transmission of an infectious disease. It's a one sided relationship. Someone not wearing a mask might have an impact on another person (I think this is less important now that N95s are widely available, but it's absolutely been important in the past). Someone wearing a mask has absolutely no impact on another person whatsoever, outside of maybe "it's harder to hear them" (which frankly for me is only really a concern with cloth masks).
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Discendo Vox posted:Reductio ad Rand Paul isn't very helpful when there's a factual, causal interaction between individuals and their choices. I think people care because it affects the likelihood of transmission of an infectious disease. In this case the people caring are upset that others are taking more precautions wrt transmission of an infectious disease rather than less. Which is far more strange to care about than the other way around.
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enki42 posted:Also, on the "why would you wear a mask in that situation?", I get that some specific situations may be perfectly safe, but anyone still wearing masks CONSTANTLY hears "why are you wearing a mask? You know you don't have to" in every situation under the sun these days and it can be extremely frustrating to explain that not everyone has the luxury of just deciding to live with COVID (and in fact, is in more precarious a situation now vs 2020). I have literally never heard this, and I don't go anywhere indoors without wearing mine. I haven't heard of anyone I know getting that, either. Maybe I'm unusual living outside an urban area in a deep blue state.
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lil poopendorfer posted:maintaining a cold chain is not a big deal for the wealthiest nation in the world, not in the slightest. why do you excuse their incompetence like this? This is a bit hyperbolic, isn't it? We're talking about a time period of days, not months. I didn't say that it was impossible to move vaccine, I just suggested that looking at the direct-flight time across the ocean and deciding that's how long it takes to ship vaccine might not be a completely accurate measure of the extra complexities involved in handling delicate cargo under carefully controlled conditions. They expect to have the whole 800k doses stateside within a week. They're rushing it over despite the approval process not even being done yet. That's hardly dragging their feet.
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Fuschia tude posted:I have literally never heard this, and I don't go anywhere indoors without wearing mine. I haven't heard of anyone I know getting that, either. Maybe I'm unusual living outside an urban area in a deep blue state. It's anecdotal, but in Chicago my family (all of us in N95s) walked past some people when one of the 20-something men in another group stopped to yell at my 9 year old daughter about how COVID is over, to which she gave him a very confused look.
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Professor Beetus posted:In this case the people caring are upset that others are taking more precautions wrt transmission of an infectious disease rather than less. Which is far more strange to care about than the other way around. PT6A is objecting to the idea of people caring about masks, period. PT6A posted:It reminds me a lot of the debate about Muslim women wearing hijab. It's actually no one's business what people choose to wear! If you think it's your business because you, personally, don't agree with it, or think people are being stupid/oppressed/mentally ill -- it's still none of your business! Move on with your day, and keep your opinions about it to yourself. Maybe do some thinking about why you give a single gently caress what other people choose to wear.
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No, I'm not? Everyone else picked up what I meant by context, but just to be 100% clear: I'm specifically talking about judging people for choosing to wear something, which is entirely different from judging someone for not choosing to wear something, especially but not exclusively when the thing they choose not to wear is PPE. I then already clarified this distinction explicitly, which you chose to ignore. What would you like me to say here?
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PT6A posted:No, I'm not? Your clarification changed the meaning of the statement to be less obnixious and unobjectionable when related to covid masks, but it's still an unnecessary and overly broad claim. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Discendo Vox posted:Your clarification changed the meaning of the statement to be less obnixious and unobjectionable when related to covid masks, but it's still an unnecessary and overly broad claim. I think they made a perfectly reasonable statement that was clearly meant to be a casual comparison, and I think you can probably chill out for a minute. The comparison doesn't completely work, because I doubt too many people wearing hijabs walk around judging people who aren't, but it works fine in the other direction to point out that there's no reason that anyone should be bothered by someone else choosing to wear the hijab (or a mask).
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Rob Filter posted:Right, your claiming that outdoors transmission is all but impossible except in dense crowds. I'm asking you to back up that specific claim with facts and evidence, or abandon it. You can google any number of studies or look at any amount of official advice which will tell you that outdoor activities are enormously less likely to result in COVID transmission. That doesn't make it impossible, but the cases in which outdoor transmission occurs are more likely to be extended close contact events like music festivals, picnics, or garden parties - not walking past someone in the street or cycling downwind of another cyclist. quote:2. If your vaccinated and boosted, your unlikely to suffer from long covid if you catch covid. You are already unlikely to get long COVID anyway. It is an unlikely outcome. But "We’ve known for some time that getting vaccinated reduces your chance of long COVID. Now new data suggests getting boosted further reduces your chance of long COVID." https://theconversation.com/triple-...in-cases-183428 quote:1. Everyone will catch COVID sooner or later anyway. I'm sure you can avoid it if you live like a hermit for the remaining 50 or 60 years of your life. Those of us who choose not to will catch it sooner or later. I certainly will, anyway, since I plan to have kids. eXXon posted:I'm not following what this has to do with outdoor masking or why re-introducing indoor mask mandates would be in any way a bad idea. Because poor public health messaging leads to poor public health outcomes, particularly when people become convinced that masks are more effective than vaccines. I would be far happier to see Australia return to vaccine mandates (no entry to non-essential retail or hospo without a third jab; until early 2022 we had this for two jabs) than I would be to see a return to mask mandates, purely on efficacy grounds. Professor Beetus posted:This conversation had nothing to do with mask mandates when it started. Someone explained that they were comfortable wearing their mask while exercising and using bike trails and this caused Freebooter to make several posts accusing them of being mentally ill. Which, based on their most recent post, is because Freebooter is mad that his local government might reinstitute mask mandates in indoor areas. I did not accuse them of being "mentally ill." I said that wearing a mask while cycling outdoors is a symptom of anxiety rather than, say, a reasonable precaution that an infectious disease specialist would agree is proportionate to the risk involved. And look, if I saw someone doing it in real life it's not like I'd walk up and have a go at them, but it's a COVID debate and discussion thread.
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In fairness, Freebooter asked if they really thought it was making a difference wearing a mask outdoors away from crowds (I guess assuming and teasing out people having an irrational fear of covid through misunderstanding risk). No-one has said he couldn't wear a mask if he likes. The guidance on masks is to change them each time they get damp through any means including breath and only use them once so I am not sure how well the rider is sticking to safe practices as opposed to a fashion one - again a person can wear a comfy pair of trackpants to Walmart if they think it will help them make better buying decisions if they like but as the conversation then sparked frankly absurd claims that long covid is likely or that in a lifetime, the average person in the US can plan on not catching covid, it seems for at least some people, the decision was not a fashion one but an attempt at risk control. This whole thread is basically of interest to those that want to assess risk, the mechanics of controlling risk around the topic of Covid in particular and emerging communicable diseases in general. A lot of us don't care about fashion, we care about what is effective and sensible - As Low As Reasonably Practicable ALARP either demographically (more interesting to me) or personally. TL DR, someone coming into the thread saying they wear a certain thing a certain way is not just idly commenting on their fashion choices, they are making a statement of perceived reasonable or practicable risk control and by golly, wearing a mask for a bike ride away from people is right up there with spraying down your groceries with alcohol before they come in the house. Again you can spray alcohol on your groceries if you want and you can wear a mask outside away from people while riding a bike if you want. If you don't tell the thread discussing reasonable protections against covid about it, no-one will care.
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But here's the thing, they weren't asserting that other people should be doing it, they were responding to people directly asking questions of how other people managed to wear masks while exercising or otherwise engaging in physical activity. My frustration with this whole conversation was the way freebooter decided to redirect it so that they could call someone out for being ridiculous (according to them). I will point out that freebooter made the assumption, absent of evidence, that the op was doing this on empty deserted trails and not in a populated area. And frankly, I think the distinction between calling someone mentally ill and saying that their behavior is a symptom of anxiety or some sort of psychological tick (freebooter's own words) is a semantic one. The post was perfectly fine in the context of the discussion and I think it's extremely silly that some of you felt the need to respond the way you did. e: Anyway I'm going to bed and all I'm asking is to not armchair diagnose other posters or whatever, discuss and debate as you wish. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jul 26, 2022 |
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Anyone else feel like there's a been a distinct uptick in "there's no possible way to avoid COVID" articles lately? Not getting COVID has turned from something everyone should do, to something vulnerable people can do, to "it's completely impossible to not catch it, why are you even trying?", which feels a bit rich when it comes right on the heels of everyone stopping trying. This was trending on my twitter this morning: https://www.wsj.com/articles/think-youve-never-had-covid-19-think-again-11658741403 and it's supremely frustrating, because it feeds the idea that anyone taking any measures to protect themselves are irrational. I don't doubt that some people have been infected without knowing, but everyone I know in my extended family who does need to take exceptional precautions has not caught it yet (and it's a large group), and I still have yet to meet someone who has caught it where there's not an obvious gap in their protection. Which is totally fine, I get that the risk calculus is different for different people, but it feels super gaslighty to say that protecting yourself is impossible.
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My biggest frustration with the "everyone will get this so stop living like a hermit" talk is that you can get COVID repeatedly. So it's not like "hey, get COVID and it's OVER with you BIG BABY!" People who believe that it's unavoidable seem to always ignore that part. One person at work has had it three times so far, another one left early Monday morning because they tested positive for the second time in three months. It's not "one and done" and it's maddening that it's always framed that way. Obviously our government and our society has given up on public health, so it's going to be a lonely and depressing next few decades as like with everything else people are forced to double-down and triple-down on this bullshit, but I wish they were at least honest about it.
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I always go back to the comparison to car accidents since it's a common one people make when arguing that infections are inevitable: since I live in suburban America, I will almost certainly be involved in another car accident in my lifetime. However, I still do everything I can to reduce the frequency of accidents (driving sober, obeying speed limits, maintaining distance from other vehicles) despite having tools that reduce the (personal) severity of accidents (seat belts and air bags). Of course, this requires people to understand that repeated infections are actually *possible* but I think we're at a point now where almost everyone has known somebody who's been infected more than once.
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Dick Trauma posted:My biggest frustration with the "everyone will get this so stop living like a hermit" talk is that you can get COVID repeatedly. So it's not like "hey, get COVID and it's OVER with you BIG BABY!" People who believe that it's unavoidable seem to always ignore that part. One person at work has had it three times so far, another one left early Monday morning because they tested positive for the second time in three months. I don't think anyone here is ignoring that aspect. It is why ongoing vaccination, encouraging masks indoors, some companies temperature checks for people to enter the workplace (enforced sick leave if high temp), continued WHO and governmental efforts in this area is a thing. With regards to public health, worldwide known covid deaths are down to about 1,300 a day https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 and (for eg) world wide traffic traffic deaths are around 1.3 million a year (~3,600 a day https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/road-traffic-injuries) with far worse non-fatality statistics so obviously covid is not the highest priority and on the other side, efforts towards improving airline safety are continuing even though it is pretty much a negligible cause of death each year (<1,000 deaths a year worldwide https://www.statista.com/statistics/263443/worldwide-air-traffic-fatalities/). Is like you are looking at all the continued improvement in demographic stats across the range of injury and disease and think it is just a coincidence or dumb luck? Cripes, if it was not for covid, malaria vaccination might have started the more effective vaccine now. Malaria has continued to kill more kids under five each each year than current strains of covid ever likely would have each year https://www.who.int/teams/global-malaria-programme/reports/world-malaria-report-2021.
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freebooter posted:Very unlikely freebooter posted:You can google any number of studies or look at any amount of official advice which will tell you that outdoor activities are enormously less likely to result in COVID transmission. quote:That doesn't make it impossible, but the cases in which outdoor transmission occurs are more likely to be extended close contact events like music festivals, picnics, or garden parties - not walking past someone in the street or cycling downwind of another cyclist. quote:You are already unlikely to get long COVID anyway. It is an unlikely outcome. But "We’ve known for some time that getting vaccinated reduces your chance of long COVID. Now new data suggests getting boosted further reduces your chance of long COVID." I am loathe to undermine the proven effectiveness of vaccination by talking about how wearing well fitting N95 masks protects people. I genuinely don't understand why you want to undermine the proven effectiveness of masking by talking about the important of vaccination. Both are vital. Rob Filter fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jul 26, 2022 |
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You realize that fractions compound with each other, right? You pick out a 1/20 rate of outdoor transmission compared to indoors and say that it’s a “5% risk of ongoing disability”, which both ignores that it’s a fraction of the indoor transmission numbers and also assumes that the long covid rate is 100%. e: I missed your edit removing the “ongoing disability” bit, but you’re still using the 5% number as the actual risk percentage throughout the rest of your post, so that still stands. blastron fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jul 26, 2022 |
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blastron posted:You realize that fractions compound with each other, right? You pick out a 1/20 rate of outdoor transmission compared to indoors and say that it’s a “5% risk of ongoing disability”, which both ignores that it’s a fraction of the indoor transmission numbers and also assumes that the long covid rate is 100%. Yeah, a 0.25% (5% * 5%) reduced risk of ongoing disability for me and people in my bubble would by itself make it absolutely worth it for me personally to wear a mask outdoors during the delta wave, let alone with the new omicron wave where risks are higher. Rob Filter fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jul 26, 2022 |
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.25% of a chance of getting an infection that could cause long-term disability strikes me as uncomfortably high when that percentage applies per encounter I absolutely do not feel like testing my luck repeatedly especially when there's nearly zero downsides to protecting myself
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Rob Filter posted:I understand your misuse of "very likely" now. When you say "very unlikely", the percentage risk you are talking about is 5%. In a health context, a 5% risk of disability isn't "very unlikely", its a very real and serious threat. If a doctor told me a surgery had a 5% risk of causing disability, I would be asking what important health outcomes that surgery was protecting me from "Long COVID" has been defined in most contexts as one or more symptoms persisting 2-3 months beyond initial infection. Having a cough 2-3 months later presumably sucks but it isn't "disability," nor is there any reason to assume that if long COVID symptoms haven't cleared up at the 3 month mark then you're stuck with them for life. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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freebooter posted:"Long COVID" has been defined in most contexts as one or more symptoms persisting 2-3 months beyond initial infection. Having a cough 2-3 months later presumably sucks but it isn't "disability," nor is there any reason to assume that if long COVID symptoms haven't cleared up at the 3 month mark then you're stuck with them for life. It is extremely dangerous to make any assumptions about the nature of long covid except in the broadest of strokes right now. we simply do not possess the necessary data some of us will choose to be risk averse in such uncertainty
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Professor Beetus posted:But here's the thing, they weren't asserting that other people should be doing it, they were responding to people directly asking questions of how other people managed to wear masks while exercising or otherwise engaging in physical activity. My frustration with this whole conversation was the way freebooter decided to redirect it so that they could call someone out for being ridiculous (according to them). I will point out that freebooter made the assumption, absent of evidence, that the op was doing this on empty deserted trails and not in a populated area. And frankly, I think the distinction between calling someone mentally ill and saying that their behavior is a symptom of anxiety or some sort of psychological tick (freebooter's own words) is a semantic one. The relationship between COVID and mental health is important to keep in mind and discuss from time to time. The most prominent and probably most studied impact has been on kids during the year of school closures and virtual learning, but there's lots of potential avenues for COVID-related issues to have an impact. It's not great to be armchair diagnosing other posters, of course. But COVID-associated mental issues have definitely had a nasty impact on some vulnerable people. And as the risk of physical harm from COVID decreases thanks to things like vaccination, immunity, and better treatments, it's not like we can't spare a little attention to the mental harms of it. On the one hand, there's nothing wrong with making your own choices about your own personal risk calculus. People can look at the data, weigh their options, and come to differing conclusions about how much risk they want to assume. On the other hand, if someone can't even eat a frozen bonbon from the grocery store without having an extended panic about the thought that it may have been exposed to air that a food worker had breathed at the factory? That might be a situation that has less to do with "rational risk calculus" and more to do with "mental health impacts of COVID on vulnerable people".
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Rob Filter posted:In medium-high density urban environments walking outdoors, I am constantly in droplet range. I could easily believe you that its on the order of ~5% of the risk of indoors. 5% risk is important, and worth protecting against Rob Filter posted:especially given that wearing a well fitting N95 mask is 100% safe for everyone, and has no drawbacks beyond a very low cost. Besides the cost, wearing a mask is usually (sometimes it's very cold outside) less comfortable. It sounds like a trivial complaint and it's not much less comfortable most of the time, but if you take your mask off at home you're still trading off comfort for increased chance of being exposed to covid. It's not fundamentally different from going to the grocery store with no mask, it's possible to get covid at home too, the difference is how much exposure risk. You also can't eat or drink in a mask, which you can obviously mitigate by eating and drinking alone outdoors or at home, but it's the same kind of thing. Rob Filter posted:The article you posted says that triple vaccinated people are 15% less likely to report long COVID symptoms from delta than double vaccinated people (6.2% vs 5.3%), and we know that immunity escape is worse with modern variants. I could make a strong argument using your chosen source that masks are more effective than vaccines, but I don't want to. No you couldn't. The 6.2% and 5.3% reporting long covid symptoms are 6.2% and 5.3% of those who were infected. Wearing a mask reduces your chance of getting covid in the first place, but it isn't obvious that having worn a mask would affect your chance of sequelae given that you were infected. (also the 6.2% and 5.3% are omicron, the corresponding numbers for delta in the paragraph above that are 9.5% and 4.4%)
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James Garfield posted:Besides the cost, wearing a mask is usually (sometimes it's very cold outside) less comfortable. It sounds like a trivial complaint and 3m auras are pretty dang comfortable. I wish the head straps were a little more durable though, like the head straps on the rest of their N95, in particular the yellow fabric stretchy straps used on the 8511 I don't like wearing any mask but a true N95 with behind the head straps is only slightly inconvenient to put on, and breathes really well
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A big flaming stink posted:It is extremely dangerous to make any assumptions about the nature of long covid except in the broadest of strokes right now. we simply do not possess the necessary data I agree that we don't possess the necessary data, so in that situation most people are going to be guided by their personal experience. My personal experience is that virtually everyone I know has had COVID by now and none of them, including clinically vulnerable people, got long COVID. (But of course I also live in a place where 95% of people are double vaccinated and 60ish% are at least triple vaccinated.) freebooter posted:"Long COVID" has been defined in most contexts as one or more symptoms persisting 2-3 months beyond initial infection. Having a cough 2-3 months later presumably sucks but it isn't "disability," nor is there any reason to assume that if long COVID symptoms haven't cleared up at the 3 month mark then you're stuck with them for life. Anyway I'm going to depart the COVID thread because copping two probes in a week over completely innocuous statements is just silly
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Hadlock posted:3m auras are pretty dang comfortable. I wish the head straps were a little more durable though, like the head straps on the rest of their N95, in particular the yellow fabric stretchy straps used on the 8511 My straps just don’t want to stay put on my head. Maybe I just have really slippery hair but I’m constantly readjusting and it’s annoying af.
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freebooter posted:I agree that we don't possess the necessary data, so in that situation most people are going to be guided by their personal experience. My personal experience is that virtually everyone I know has had COVID by now and none of them, including clinically vulnerable people, got long COVID. (But of course I also live in a place where 95% of people are double vaccinated and 60ish% are at least triple vaccinated.) This is like saying that you think smoking is fine because your uncle smoked a pack a day and lived to be 90. And indeed it’s true that your chance of cancer is not increased by 100% or even 65% (is it below 50%? I think so but can’t check just now) if you smoke a pack a day, but it’s not useful to figure risk out this way.
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Hadlock posted:3m auras are pretty dang comfortable. I wish the head straps were a little more durable though, like the head straps on the rest of their N95, in particular the yellow fabric stretchy straps used on the 8511 Are you using the 9205 Auras with blue rubber band straps, or the 9210 Auras with white woven straps? The straps on 9205s are only good for a few uses, while the ones on 9210s are good for about the same duration as the rest of the mask. About 30-40 hours of wear over multiple days of light use before something fails or gets worn down enough to replace the mask. Oracle posted:My straps just don’t want to stay put on my head. Maybe I just have really slippery hair but I’m constantly readjusting and it’s annoying af. With longer pandemic hair I had to make a separation in my hair, so the top strap was under my hair and against my scalp. Otherwise the strap would slip or pull weirdly.
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I have an issue with the 9210's where the nose metal somehow gets mangled out of its place, making that whole part not fit so well after a few hours. Anyways - my wife did end up getting Omicron for a second time this year. My older son has managed not to get it, at least, so that's good. None of us have had any major issues, but I did take paxlovid, which seriously blunted all the virus's effects to a massive degree. I became effectively asymptomatic.
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