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Anyone defending smart metres (and ‘smart’ home poo poo) back when that conversation happened fancy saying a few words now?
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Jul 27, 2022 19:10
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They can remotely switch my taint. That's the big idea of getting over a million people involved though, you can threaten a huge hole in their liquid finances in advance. They can't remote switch that.
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Jul 27, 2022 19:11
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and they won't be able to use the army to evict you because they'll all be driving the trains
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Jul 27, 2022 19:21
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Guavanaut posted:They can remotely switch my taint. lol, Thanks, I needed that 
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Jul 27, 2022 19:27
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Danger - Octopus! posted:uuuuuuh https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jul/27/anyone-for-a-smart-scarf-city-fans-all-set-for-high-tech-matchday-upgrade gambling you can bet on crowd reaction intensity or some poo poo
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Jul 27, 2022 19:28
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1965917 posted:I've seen comments that refusal to pay will simply result in your smart meter being remotely switched to pre-pay. Lol if you ever allowed them to install the utter abortion that is a 'smart' meter. You just have to put up with Scottish Power harassing you for meter readings on a monthly basis, because they're poo poo scared that in six months time when you next submit one they're going to end up paying you back £500 for energy you used 3 months ago when the price was lower.
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Jul 27, 2022 19:29
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It does make it harder to get people on board though sadly. That said as someone with the resources to weather that storm I’ve signed up. gently caress em. Had a bit of fun quizzing a copper about his career choices today. Didn’t seem to accept that sweeping streets was a vastly more useful profession. Honestly I don’t know why more (white, relatively privileged) people don’t go rinse them more.
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Jul 27, 2022 19:32
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kalensc posted:How bout dara Massively smug piece of poo poo lib iirc.
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Jul 27, 2022 19:34
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WhatEvil posted:Never. He's doing his job flawlessly.
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Jul 27, 2022 19:40
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Jakabite posted:It does make it harder to get people on board though sadly. That said as someone with the resources to weather that storm I’ve signed up. gently caress em. quote:Won't they just cut off my gas and electricity? Nothing about remotely switching to prepayment, only that smart meters mean that they don't have to send someone around with wire cutters after they've done all their paperwork. And if the numbers are right they'll be doing that paperwork on millions of accounts with a large fraction of their regular income missing. The bigger that number, the more likely they are to fold before doing a single prepayment switch form. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g1IArAW5Dk
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Jul 27, 2022 19:46
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RockyB posted:Lol if you ever allowed them to install the utter abortion that is a 'smart' meter. Lol if you get that choice when you move into a new rental.
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Jul 27, 2022 20:03
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https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1552325719895719936
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Jul 27, 2022 20:14
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I asked the guys from Western Power about mine when they replaced my horrifically failing service head/meter board that had about 90 years of 'that'll do' adjustments to it until it no longer did. Apparently it's an older model smart meter that doesn't even have the remote contactor in it, it just says it does because that's a module that could be added. So I guess even if the supplier tried it'd just beep and they'd have to send someone round. Or more likely in a mass non-payment situation it'd beep and some temp who doesn't want to be there would tick the box and move on.
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Jul 27, 2022 20:15
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https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1552329042027810818 it's ok just wait around a bit until the tax cuts cause an increase in economic growth over upcoming quarters and/or whenever trickle down economics starts working, any day now
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Jul 27, 2022 20:23
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Jakabite posted:Anyone defending smart metres (and ‘smart’ home poo poo) back when that conversation happened fancy saying a few words now? Sure. Conflating a thermostat (which iirc was the thing being discussed) with the abomination of smart meters is absurd. A Nest can't make you pay more for your electricity. If you look at 2 things that have "smart" in their name, and think "yes these are the same", then lol
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Jul 27, 2022 20:28
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Tesseraction posted:Keith just sacked Sam Tarry for joining the picket line, the slimy oval office. Thank you Kieth, for doing your bit to help speed up the destruction of the Labour Party, because the unions seem unwilling to take the initiative despite all evidence suggesting Labour has no interest in working people.
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Jul 27, 2022 20:29
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I've seen the NHS reported on like this for the 30 years that I've been paying attention to politics. I'd say it's a bit late to cry about it now, but nobody's really crying. It's just a carefully curated acceptance.
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Jul 27, 2022 20:35
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the thought crossed my mind that maybe he at least went and spoke with a union or two before getting on camera in front of a picket or maybe the other way round and a union suggested he did it saw my auntie today, and she predicted some kind of revolt or uprising due to so many people struggling hard for so long with little to no hope of any change, was really weird to hear her talking about things like that you heard 'er though, a las barricadas
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Jul 27, 2022 20:40
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What big union should I join? There isn't really one specific to my workplace. Unite? Unison? What's less shite? I want to do my part.
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Jul 27, 2022 20:46
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Unison is about as milquetoast as unions go. They are far too big to do much good for any one group of people, so they proudly announce poo poo pay deals and seem surprised when the response is either apathy or contempt.
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Jul 27, 2022 20:49
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HopperUK posted:What big union should I join? There isn't really one specific to my workplace. Unite? Unison? What's less shite? I want to do my part. Unite's general secretary seems like a generally good egg who keeps shutting on Keith even if they haven't disaffiliated yet
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Jul 27, 2022 20:50
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I would like to join a union but they're expensive and I doubt they could actually help me with anything cos I'm on zero hours and I can just be sacked for doing anything, and there's zero possibility of me unionizing the workplace because we're all remotely managed and I almost never see anyone else.
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Jul 27, 2022 20:52
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Is there any real reason the big unions like unite couldn't adopt the same proven strategy the RMT has?
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Jul 27, 2022 20:52
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The European Union.
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Jul 27, 2022 20:52
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DesperateDan posted:the thought crossed my mind that maybe he at least went and spoke with a union or two before getting on camera in front of a picket or maybe the other way round and a union suggested he did it Civil unrest when there's an unregulated font of heavy weapons in Europe? Why yes please.
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Jul 27, 2022 20:54
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Is there some kind of font regulation bureau? Actually I'm sure there is.
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Jul 27, 2022 20:59
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Hopper and Owly what do you do? Some unions may be more relevant than others. If there's already one recognised by your employer then that's the obvious pick but it sounds like no.
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Jul 27, 2022 21:01
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The Question IRL posted:....After the last six years of Brexit, Trump and the Boris Johnson PM, you still think "unwritten rules are fine. Everyone knows what they mean and what the are supposed to do and writing things down will just be confusing. These things will never be taken advantage of." ....the US federal government has exactly the codified legal basis you're asking for. They fetishise it even. And the Brexit referendum was also brought about by statute passed by Parliament. This is uh not a very good argument.
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Jul 27, 2022 21:01
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My union is a bag of shite which just proudly accepted a 2% pay deal. and now is taking credit an extra 30 quid in our pay packets due to the NI change.
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Jul 27, 2022 21:05
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It's interesting that font is one of the few British English words to completely lose to the 'American' style ou/o switch variant. Like color and flavor never really took off, but you'd be hard pressed to see anyone saying fount after about the 1940s. e: I bet there's some niche UK newspaper that still has fount in the style guide, but I mean in actual descriptive usage
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Jul 27, 2022 21:05
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Failed Imagineer posted:Sure. Conflating a thermostat (which iirc was the thing being discussed) with the abomination of smart meters is absurd. A Nest can't make you pay more for your electricity. If you look at 2 things that have "smart" in their name, and think "yes these are the same", then lol I think it was to an even earlier conversation involving yours truly. SSE kept giving me the nag about switching to a smart meter and there was a discussion about it being because of the radio signals being switched off or something. Anyway, I didn't get one in and switched to Octopus who don't nag me just flash a thing up on the screen when I submit readings every week or so saying about how Cindy in Berkhamstead or someone won a whole year of free electric when she got hers put in. Anyway, what is concerning me is the electric for the communal areas of our block of flats which is with SSE Business Energy. Our fixed rate contract expires on Sunday night and the new contract is 3x so our communal electric is going up from under £300pm to more like £700pm. However, I have not been able to submit readings online for a week now as it keeps saying technical problem. Now  me, IMHO this is that they are hoping I will go away and we will get charged 6 weeks' worth (since the last bill) at the new rate with some bastardization of a pro rata instead of the correct amount.So anyway, I found I can submit 'as a guest' and that I get an acknowledgement that it is submitted, but there's no way of checking on the account what readings have been submitted. Fortunately I have a trusty spreadsheet. I'm convinced they're hoping people will go away and many 'business' customers will have more than one meter and it will be a pain in the butt to submit as a guest and typing in all the MPAN and account numbers etc manually for each one. I wanted to switch to Octopus for the communal because not only were they cheaper (without the VAT) but their interface is a heck of a lot more simple, but they were saying we'd have to pay 20% VAT which made them more expensive than SSE because we should only be on 5% as a supply serving a block where all the users are residential domestic and Octopus customer services guy wouldn't have it.
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Jul 27, 2022 21:08
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Guavanaut posted:ou/o switch variant. ooo/ooouuuuu
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Jul 27, 2022 21:08
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Failed Imagineer posted:ooo/ooouuuuu Worst boss in Bloodborne, that one.
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Jul 27, 2022 21:15
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ThomasPaine posted:Is there any real reason the big unions like unite couldn't adopt the same proven strategy the RMT has? Most unions branches and members are not as inherently militant as RMT and they either control less important, or potentially, absolutely fundamental to society parts of society and so will provoke a very different reaction from the membership and public for just the occasional day on strike.
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Jul 27, 2022 21:18
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JoylessJester posted:My union is a bag of shite which just proudly accepted a 2% pay deal. and now is taking credit an extra 30 quid in our pay packets due to the NI change. Wow who is your lovely union? Our work have us a 2.5% pay rise which is frankly insulting and afaik I might be the only union member in the entire company.
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Jul 27, 2022 21:25
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Tesseraction posted:the Money Saving Expert guy has actually said people should do this https://twitter.com/anarchonbury/status/1550907722530537473?t=HTugnGSvkWl8KYBDBS9Q9A&s=19 E: Personally I feel like the companies are going ahead because from their perspective they kind of have to. Investors demand continued growth and they are running their companies on a JIT knife edge financially; if they lower prices, their profits come in lower than projected which will scare investors and they'll go bust. Continue with the prices as is, and there's a chance the government will bail them out, the vast majority of people will pay anyway, and they can blame the dip in profits on unexpected criminal action. If the choice is between guaranteed destruction when the stock market turns its backs on them, or possibly continuing to exist in some limping form (or possibly even getting away with it and turning a profit), they'll choose the latter. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jul 27, 2022 |
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Jul 27, 2022 21:33
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Failed Imagineer posted:ooo/ooouuuuu ooouuuuuh!
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Jul 27, 2022 21:35
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Pod James had a good thread with valid concerns about it, specifically that they seem to have zero protection in terms of a legal defense fund or plans for a class action or anything. Some of their points are legit - it'll only work with strong local organisations to protect individuals and mass numbers to make it a threat but most of their fears are just paranoia. Leaflets can be produced for a few hours work by leftists and printed in the many thousands for sometimes only a few hundred pounds, same with website design and privacy policies - skilled individuals applying their skills to something they support. The campaigns initial desire for secrecy is stupid but local groups are being launched and there is a strategy proposal for support (assuming they even meet the activation threshold of 1,000,000 people). They will fall well short of 1 million sign ups but this will also be the nucleus for any neighbourhood defence systems that do appear for the millions of people who can't pay their bills anyway.
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Jul 27, 2022 21:45
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My wife works in a relatively new hospital which is mostly single rooms and a few bays. They've been told that dividers will be put into the single rooms so they can double up patients in them
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kecske posted:ooouuuuuh! Ok but really what the gently caress is this about!!!!!!
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