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Zero Gravitas posted:New party free of corbynites? Sign me the gently caress up. gently caress I'll even chuck in
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Zero Gravitas posted:New party free of corbynites? Sign me the gently caress up. gently caress I'll even chuck in The party you're looking for is called the Liberal Democrats and if you vote for them you get what you deserve
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Zero Gravitas posted:New party free of corbynites? Sign me the gently caress up. gently caress I'll even chuck in It's called the Liberal Democrats, you'll love it.
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Jul 27, 2022 23:53
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Nah. I've got faith in Starmers labour even if the rest of you dont.
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Jul 27, 2022 23:56
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Zero Gravitas posted:New party free of corbynites? Sign me the gently caress up. gently caress I'll even chuck in The liberal democrats are available you know. I wonder, do you think that "corbynites" are like, the fault of jeremy corbyn or do you think there is some sort of... wider political force that causes people to do things like "have unions" and "go on strike for better conditions" and other such unelectable ideas? Because if it's the latter, the only way you're going to have a politics free of that is by... well... being the lib dems. That part of politics doesn't ever go away even if you divorce yourself from it. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jul 28, 2022 |
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Zero Gravitas posted:Nah. I've got faith in Starmers labour even if the rest of you dont. Faith. Like what you'd have in a cult.
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greetings, I am starmer. adversary of the corbynites
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kecske posted:greetings, I am starmer. adversary of the corbynites jesus that's a deep cut lmao.
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I find it loving weird that Corbynite is an actual term in the first place, let alone that people unironically use it in this thread. Socialists tended to support Corbyn, but that doesn't make those people 'Corbynites'. Do these people not realise that Corbyn hasn't been relevant since 2019, or that socialism has existed for a lot longer than Corbyn? Do they not realise that other people might support politicians and parties based on policies and actions, rather than blindly supporting them like they would a football team or a spiritual leader? Zero Gravitas posted:Nah. I've got faith in Starmers labour even if the rest of you dont. I guess not. fuctifino fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Jul 28, 2022 |
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Zero Gravitas posted:Nah. I've got faith in Starmers labour even if the rest of you dont. I have faith in Starmer too. Faith that he's an economic liberal, social bastard like he is straight out of the 2003 cabinet, except he isn't even good at triangulating because he's repeatedly picked the unpopular side on energy companies, railway ownership, strikes, even the loving health service. Honestly, anyone who actually trusts the guy after his solid track record of breaking every promise he could from his leadership campaign deserves another 5 years of Tory government. Just a shame the rest of us will get punished for it too
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An atheist faith healer is a good description of Starmer's whole look. By the power of uh um
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We're on a very dark path https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1552178541692846080
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Have faith, though, the blessed starmer will fix it.
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Pay rises in line with inflation is extreme left and will cause the wage price poliwhirl. Only sensible moderate solution is to get real terms poorer forever while working worse shifts.
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fuctifino posted:I find it loving weird that Corbynite is an actual term in the first place, let alone that people unironically use it in this thread. Socialists tended to support Corbyn, but that doesn't make those people 'Corbynites'. It's just a way of discrediting the viewpoints, nothing else to it.
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Zero Gravitas posted:Nah. I've got faith in Starmers labour even if the rest of you dont. What do you actually disagree with the Liberal Democrats about?
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I’ve been on the “anything is better than the Tories, Starmer is just being politically expedient” train for a while, but firing Sam Tarry for rightly joining the RMT picket line has removed the scales from my eyes. How the gently caress can this possibly be the Labour Party if they’re not supporting labour? The “approved media appearances only” excuse is complete horseshit, the only way this is recoverable for Labour is if the entire shadow cabinet now go and join the picket line, give interviews while doing it, and say “ah, yes, but this is approved”
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Zero Gravitas posted:So Tarry: Iirc you're in Norway so you may have missed that the cpih all goods index hit 12.7% as of last month and the Tories are announcing policies that are absolutely going to increase inflation to "solve" it. 11% is a pay cut for almost everyone in the UK. This anti Corbyn/anti union poo poo is completely delusional and Starmer is on course to get thrashed by Liz truss. Get a grip. Also for everyone asking about big unions, unison boast about pay rises that won't cover your energy bills, unite have a "blackmail the CEO" department and I'm not sure if we've won less than 10% + restoring cut staff and conditions in any dispute since Grahams took over. The current requirement for rep training is "can you get 8 people in a zoom call". OwlFancier posted:I would like to join a union but they're expensive and I doubt they could actually help me with anything cos I'm on zero hours and I can just be sacked for doing anything, and there's zero possibility of me unionizing the workplace because we're all remotely managed and I almost never see anyone else. If you're on zero hours or unemployed you pay a few quid a month and still get training courses, access to the pay databases, access to reps, can join campaigns or do community rep work (or non-community rep work if you personally know people that need a rep), and access to the financial advisors/solicitors/brokers for personal use. There's also a hotel that works like a weird timeshare if you're ill but I have absolutely no idea about it beyond asking someone "why do we have a hotel" Unite has some really impressive mass mobilisation ideas but nobody ever uses them and a lot of the officers are loving housecats obsessed with their disciplinary and grievance stats, but the current gensec openly hates them and their way of working and got elected purely on the back of "I founded the blackmail department and we're going to gently caress up the rich errryday" Spangly A fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Jul 28, 2022 |
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Is the zero hours rate different? I work passable hours most of the time but not so much that I wouldn't notice like a hundred quid a year on something that... can't really help me because I don't have any practical legal rights at work because I have no contracted hours. Or at least I assume I don't because lmao nobody has updated my contract since I joined and I've had to make half a dozen verbal agreements about jobs starting/stopping over the years. In practice though the only thing stopping them from cutting all my work next week is that my manager would have to arrange cover and I don't think he wants to. The last couple of times I checked I think the rate was just quite high, seems like they are working off the idea that you work a pretty traditional job. I begrudged paying bloody labour like 15 quid a year and while I don't doubt unite would be better intentioned, it's just hard to really know how they could help when it is simply legal to cut me out of the job at the drop of a hat. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Jul 28, 2022 |
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kecske posted:greetings, I am starmer. adversary of the corbynites "We are hiding. It's what Starmerites do best."
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Zero Gravitas posted:New party free of corbynites? Sign me the gently caress up. gently caress I'll even chuck in Oh the reddit guy is back then
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OwlFancier posted:Is the zero hours rate different? I work passable hours most of the time but not so much that I wouldn't notice like a hundred quid a year on something that... can't really help me because I don't have any practical legal rights at work because I have no contracted hours. Or at least I assume I don't because lmao nobody has updated my contract since I joined and I've had to make half a dozen verbal agreements about jobs starting/stopping over the years. In practice though the only thing stopping them from cutting all my work next week is that my manager would have to arrange cover and I don't think he wants to. Yeah it's 73 quid less a year on the part time membership, or if you earn less than £18k you can pay £67 a a year less while still getting full time benefit payments. If you don't care about the benefit payments and definitely aren't going to need workplace representation, you could possibly get the community membership which is about £30 a year. Obviously zero hour is the opposite of "unwaged", most likely you'd be fine unless you tried to summon a rep. Unite actually beat Sheffield uni on a zero hours dispute last year, they were pretty happy. Forced the university to improve pay and switch all zh workers to 12hr. They're something the union would like to violently eradicate with the leverage department, and iirc are the only thing right now anyone will use the leverage department for without the party in dispute first doing something illegal to intimidate workers against organising.
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Yeah I think that was what I was looking at, the part time one, about £100 a year. Just couldn't really think of many practical situations that they could help me in, feels like spending £100 a year on lottery tickets kinda. Like a bad lottery where you only win if something horrible happens to you. E: insurance, the thing I am describing is insurance. I do like the idea of the "leverage department" lmao, I hope it is staffed by large men chewing toothpicks carrying folders full of compromising photographs. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Jul 28, 2022 |
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IWGB (full disclosure - my union) are also working on organising casualised and zero hours workers. I think the main focus is on outsourced cleaners and app-managed zero hours stuff (uber, deliveroo, etc). Don't know if that's relevant to you.
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Zero Gravitas posted:Nah. I've got faith in Starmers labour even if the rest of you dont. Username/post combo
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Supporting striking workers is wrong at a time
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What is the 'hope' for starmers labour? I'm very stupid and not funny so don't worry about me being rude to you but zero gravitas, when you see starmer talking about his plans for government and he's saying something along the lines of 'distinctively british values for a stronger economy' which is just meaningless really, and then refusing to say that workers have a right to strike and that he supports them against the government who are loving them over, what are you seeing that makes you think 'this is the party that's going to make things better for me' and gives you faith in the starm man's plan? I understand the argument that a bland centrist government with some lefty MPs in it to push in the right direction is preferable to the current lot and it would be nice to have faith that the next election won't be preceded the next day with 'ALL HAIL THE NEW QUEEN LIZ' on all the papers but for me personally it's just a rubbish choice and id like to know what you're seeing that makes you think that labour is working
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the sex ghost posted:What is the 'hope' for starmers labour? I'm very stupid and not funny so don't worry about me being rude to you but zero gravitas, when you see starmer talking about his plans for government and he's saying something along the lines of 'distinctively british values for a stronger economy' which is just meaningless really, and then refusing to say that workers have a right to strike and that he supports them against the government who are loving them over, what are you seeing that makes you think 'this is the party that's going to make things better for me' and gives you faith in the starm man's plan? I too am interested in this.
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah I think that was what I was looking at, the part time one, about £100 a year. Just couldn't really think of many practical situations that they could help me in, feels like spending £100 a year on lottery tickets kinda. Like a bad lottery where you only win if something horrible happens to you. unions are work insurance yeah. Literally so, if you get the enhanced plan. The only way I'm ever going to come up with £50k in cash is if I take a job on the underground with my sister's partner and immediately headbutt a train. It's not a small outgoing for sure, def not at the moment, but I'm honestly happy with the value. If you find yourself bored enough it's worth checking if there's anything you can use - you can force your boss to pay you to go gently caress with somebody else's boss, extra sickpay is always helpful, and if you ever need band 3 dental care unite will cover it, that's two and a half years membership back right there (I am planning to use this so feel free to ask me in a month or so what the caveats are). The last few calls I made were to speak with the local branch's legal people about school and dickhead ex poo poo my sister's going through. ill freely admit that a big part of it for me is actually doing poo poo though. It's not like I ever should be allowed anywhere near oversight around a bargaining unit or its establishment, but the training and practice at constant adhd-friendly quantities of procedures is great for my hobby of doing the same thing, but without any legal protection. It's not got the party atmosphere of labour circa 2017 but union work is where the action is at the moment, and even if the stakes werent the same until now, every now and then I get to sit in a zoom call and talk a bit, nice and calm, and watch some absolutely bellend I've heard about all week eat poo poo. If this sounds up your alley, please join a union. Wolfsbane posted:IWGB (full disclosure - my union) are also working on organising casualised and zero hours workers. I think the main focus is on outsourced cleaners and app-managed zero hours stuff (uber, deliveroo, etc). Don't know if that's relevant to you. yeah after the "an app is a workplace if its the only location to increase income" precedent was repeated against Uber last year it's open season - there's absolutely no grounds to argue app-based employment means anything other than "we hired a worker" with all that entails, including minimum wage topup. I have a few family and friends who moved into cab work the last few years but the only people that showed any interest were the older blokes coming up on retirement who have nothing to lose
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I have generally found the centrist approach to be a mixture of "you just have to trust us we know what we're doing" combined with a liberal ( ) amount of just, not really actually caring about your concerns? Not engaging with them. You can see it with the first response, the reason people are annoyed is because they think the strikers are right and starmer is wrong, does the hon. respondant agree with mr starmer? "I think it's difficult but his approach is the right one"Just no desire to engage with the fundamental question of whether the strikers are right or not, because there is perhaps enough dissonance or political awareness to not want to out and out say "no the strikers should gently caress off" or "strikers are good only insofar as we can use them to browbeat the government but we wouldn't want them happening to our government" but you are left with very little room to interpret their position otherwise. Spangly A posted:unions are work insurance yeah. Literally so, if you get the enhanced plan. The only way I'm ever going to come up with £50k in cash is if I take a job on the underground with my sister's partner and immediately headbutt a train. Fortunately if I die, the idea that my corpse will be a burden to everyone around me is part of the appeal. Though the band 3 dental does sound alright lol. I have had to pay that before and probably will need to pay it again sometime in the next year or so. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Jul 28, 2022 |
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The US is getting their own Change UK lmao https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/27/forward-republicans-democrats-new-third-political-party quote:Dozens of former Republican and Democratic officials will announce a new national political third party to appeal to millions of voters they say are dismayed with what they see as America’s dysfunctional two-party system.
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SixFigureSandwich posted:The US is getting their own Change UK lmao Phfffffffhahahahaha! 
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah I think that was what I was looking at, the part time one, about £100 a year. Just couldn't really think of many practical situations that they could help me in, feels like spending £100 a year on lottery tickets kinda. Like a bad lottery where you only win if something horrible happens to you. I'm in Unite Community and pay £2.38 per month.
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What in the flying gently caress is "centrist" in the US? They're all loving turbolibs economically except one of them takes social policy cues from ISIS. How the gently caress do you find a center ground? Also when the gently caress was yang presidential candidate? He lost the primaries.
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OwlFancier posted:What in the flying gently caress is "centrist" in the US? They're all loving turbolibs economically except one of them takes social policy cues from ISIS. How the gently caress do you find a center ground? In America they have this big thing about referring to people by the highest office they've held and somehow losing a primary is now an office.
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OwlFancier posted:What in the flying gently caress is "centrist" in the US? They're all loving turbolibs economically except one of them takes social policy cues from ISIS. How the gently caress do you find a center ground?
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