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exquisite tea posted:I think what liberal writers miss in their satirical portrayals of conservatives is a belief that it is at all possible for them to feel shame. Racists and bigots don’t care that Archie Bunker is consistently shown to be a fool and the butt of every joke, they love him because there’s someone on TV who is racist and bigoted like them. It's an incredibly widespread problem that has been demonstrated thousands of times in this thread alone. For every one person who gets that your Archie Bunker/Tyler Durden/Rick Sanchez/Dr. House characters are sad and miserable and wrong and are NOT to be emulated or idolized, there are fifteen others going "Ha ha, yeah, this guy is my hero because he says it like it is!"
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exquisite tea posted:even if it did play into the liberal fantasy that conservatives could change if they got owned hard enough. owning people is praxis though
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exquisite tea posted:I’d say that Colbert and All in the Family were generally playing to like-minded liberals, anyway. The satire wasn’t really intended to get conservatives to reconsider their beliefs, even if it did play into the liberal fantasy that conservatives could change if they got owned hard enough. AITF and many other sitcoms of the early 70s at least had character development (whether realistically or not). Unlike most sitcoms from the 50s and 60s where the characters learned nothing. See Darrin Stephens.
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ilmucche posted:owning people is praxis though drat too bad they figured that out after 1864
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the_steve posted:It's an incredibly widespread problem that has been demonstrated thousands of times in this thread alone. also add Homelander to the list as of recently
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Mr Interweb posted:also add Homelander to the list as of recently The TVIV thread never fails to deliver.
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the_steve posted:It's an incredibly widespread problem that has been demonstrated thousands of times in this thread alone. Same as that Truffaut quote, "There's no such thing as an anti-war film". Any film that portrays war will portrays the spectacle of it, and it's alluring even if the message is against it. Protagonists who are sad and miserable are also living power fantasies - Archie gets to insult Edith with impunity, House gets a stream of both interesting patients and Vicodin because he's so damned smart, Rick literally teleports away from anything resembling consequences. The allure of that lifestyle will blind people to any message against.
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Toshimo posted:The TVIV thread never fails to deliver. The people being surprised by this were all from reddit
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I Love Loosies posted:I remember when Boardwalk Empire first aired one of the characters called her lover daddy all the time. TVIV found that really creppy and weird. The show kind of portrayed it that way to. TBF that character had a whole traumatic backstory that played into her sexuality in a creepy-on-purpose way
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I Love Loosies posted:I remember when Boardwalk Empire first aired one of the characters called her lover daddy all the time. TVIV found that really creppy and weird. The show kind of portrayed it that way to. Better than the character who called her lover "son"
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Mister Kingdom posted:AITF and many other sitcoms of the early 70s at least had character development (whether realistically or not). Unlike most sitcoms from the 50s and 60s where the characters learned nothing. See Darrin Stephens. Thinking back on The Andy Griffith Show, there were probably only two characters who really emotionally grew over the course of the show: Opie and Howard. Howard's really the only saving grace of the last few years, evolving from a shut-in mama's boy to living on his own and learning how not to be a weirdo around the opposite sex. Opie's character changed as Ron Howard physically grew. Everybody else had the same reactions, the same arguments and got into the same messes over the course of the show. Barney slightly changed when Don Knotts moved to special appearances, but Barney still couldn't do much without a heap of help from Andy. The only changes were names of the characters and less humor about alcohol.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:The people being surprised by this were all from reddit What do you mean Stormfront is a nazi?
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Megillah Gorilla posted:What do you mean Stormfront is a nazi? *looks over to Stormfront by Jim Butcher* ... Well, if the shoe fits...
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Kchama posted:*looks over to Stormfront by Jim Butcher* ... Well, if the shoe fits... Jim Butcher's a nazi?
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Arivia posted:Jim Butcher's a nazi? Nah I'm just having fun at his expense. He's a shithead, but not a Nazi as far as I know.
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On “Saved By The Bell” there’s an episode where big TV Star Johnny Dakota shoots an anti drug commercial and becomes friends with the main cast. He throws a party, implied to be rife with drugs and alcohol and probably sexual encounters with the high school students in attendance. And he also makes out with Kelly Kapowski.
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Luckily Jessie had already learned about the dangers of drugs from her earlier brush with caffeine pill addiction. That is kind of weird, because I had always figured they used caffeine pills in that one because of censorship or content issues.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Luckily Jessie had already learned about the dangers of drugs from her earlier brush with caffeine pill addiction. There's a notable difference between getting a.main cast member addicted to harder drugs and having an outside 1-off villain using them.
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Toshimo posted:There's a notable difference between getting a.main cast member addicted to harder drugs and having an outside 1-off villain using them. There were also probably specifics in what you are or aren't allowed to depict with drugs. As well as the completely plausible thought that standards might have changed between the two episodes. Or maybe they actually did just want to write a story about Jessie being addicted to caffeine pills. Addiction to over-the-counter medicine is a thing, after all.
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Cleretic posted:There were also probably specifics in what you are or aren't allowed to depict with drugs. As well as the completely plausible thought that standards might have changed between the two episodes.
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The deal with caffeine pills being the problem is that around that time there were a lot of teens thinking "over the counter =perfectly safe!" and being hospitalized or dying from caffeine overdoses. Or ephedrine. And there were "energy products" that had piles of caffeine or ephedrine in them and so the kids using them weren't aware of how much they were getting. Plus, can't have little Susie Creamcheese do anything harder than that on a kids show.
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:I dunno, a few years before that they had Michael J. Fox tweaking his rear end off on amphetamines There was also an episode of Fresh Prince where Carlton did the same thing.
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I Love Loosies posted:I remember when Boardwalk Empire first aired one of the characters called her lover daddy all the time. TVIV found that really creppy and weird. The show kind of portrayed it that way to. that wasn't in bed, that was just all the time. kinda different
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:I dunno, a few years before that they had Michael J. Fox tweaking his rear end off on amphetamines There could be a difference in what a weekday primetime show could do vs. a saturday morning show.
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While the Sandman inevitably soured in parts despite the author's good intentions (Like Wanda), the part I find most laughable is when Morpheus meets Hob again in the 1990's, and he's sporting an atrocious glam-rocker do. The guy might have domain over people's dreams but he can't dress for poo poo.
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Everyone looking like The Cure is an important part of the comic.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:While the Sandman inevitably soured in parts despite the author's good intentions (Like Wanda), the part I find most laughable is when Morpheus meets Hob again in the 1990's, and he's sporting an atrocious glam-rocker do. drat Michael myers stylin
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I Love Loosies posted:I remember when Boardwalk Empire first aired one of the characters called her lover daddy all the time. TVIV found that really creppy and weird. The show kind of portrayed it that way to. wonder what people's thoughts were if they had never seen Red Hot Riding Hood before then
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Inspector Gesicht posted:While the Sandman inevitably soured in parts despite the author's good intentions (Like Wanda), the part I find most laughable is when Morpheus meets Hob again in the 1990's, and he's sporting an atrocious glam-rocker do. For me it's the one rotating artist who draws everyone with honking Jay Leno chins (who regrettably shows up to do one of the issues with Wanda and gets exceedingly gross with it.)
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Inspector Gesicht posted:While the Sandman inevitably soured in parts despite the author's good intentions (Like Wanda), the part I find most laughable is when Morpheus meets Hob again in the 1990's, and he's sporting an atrocious glam-rocker do. Dream doesn't dress at all. He looks as the person looking at him expects him to, and the comic had the conceit that the reader is included in that.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:While the Sandman inevitably soured in parts despite the author's good intentions (Like Wanda), the part I find most laughable is when Morpheus meets Hob again in the 1990's, and he's sporting an atrocious glam-rocker do.
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oh thanks for the new avatar, GUYS 
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Mr Interweb posted:oh thanks for the new avatar, GUYS lmao, that's funny as hell. Wear your red text with pride
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Mr Interweb posted:oh thanks for the new avatar, DADDIES
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Mr Interweb posted:oh thanks for the new avatar, GUYS It was probably just one guy.
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Mr Interweb posted:oh thanks for the new avatar, GUYS Look on the bright side The most mockable thing that someone could redtext you for is being the rare confirmed sex-haver SA member
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Not to counter all the good points made about it and it's progressiveness or lack thereof for the time etc. But as a pedantic arsehole, I would just like to mention that "All in the Family" is just an American remake of "Till Death do us Part". With Archie Bunker being the Alf Garnet stand in. Warren Mitchell, (the actor who played Alf), was personally pretty left wing leaning, and would get pissed off at people who would come up to him in the street thinking he was just like his curmudgeonly conservative character. They also did an Australian version called Kingswood Country. Which lacked the heart of either AitF or TDduP, and was actually as conservative/right wing as the main character. In fact they brought it back in the 90s as Bullpitt, and it was even worse. The entire premise of the show, and every single joke was an old suburban white man yelling at the modern world and young people and political correctness for being awful. And that it was better in the good old days when you could have a concrete aborigine on your front lawn and call your son in law a wog without being called racist.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Not to counter all the good points made about it and it's progressiveness or lack thereof for the time etc. I always felt bad for Warren Mitchell. He was such a sweet-seeming man, always so gentle and softly spoken in interviews, and there are all these proto-Nazi dipshits thinking he's Alf Garnett and speaks the truth.
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We all know American racism but I think Canadian and Australian racism is some times worse.
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