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Yeah keep in mind the greatest work of magic is the creation of the silmarils. Another one is the creation of the elven ropes and cloaks gifted to the fellowship. Magic shows up far more as a way to create something like weapons or tools that subsequently do magic things.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Yeah keep in mind the greatest work of magic is the creation of the silmarils. Another one is the creation of the elven ropes and cloaks gifted to the fellowship. Magic shows up far more as a way to create something like weapons or tools that subsequently do magic things. or "magic" in the Arthur C Clarke way. Remember, Feanor is a skilled smith, not a magician.
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Jul 24, 2022 02:51
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Yeah keep in mind the greatest work of magic is the creation of the silmarils. Another one is the creation of the elven ropes and cloaks gifted to the fellowship. Magic shows up far more as a way to create something like weapons or tools that subsequently do magic things. I've always taken the "magic" of elves and any non-ainur beings in the lens of Clarke's "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
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Jul 24, 2022 02:59
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TipTow posted:I've always taken the "magic" of elves and any non-ainur beings in the lens of Clarke's "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." thats the baseline, but then you do have poo poo like when feanor died his spirit burned his body, or the magic gandalf and the balrog use when casting wards on the door in Moria. elves certainly seem to be more in tune with that portion of the world and that may be influencing their abilities in craft or manifest as being capable of extreme acts of valor
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Jul 24, 2022 03:13
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Galadriel posted:"And you?" [Galadriel] said, turning to Sam. "For this is what your folk would call magic, I believe, though I do not understand clearly what they mean; and they seem also to use the same word of the deciets of the Enemy." edit: ha, beaten
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WoodrowSkillson posted:thats the baseline, but then you do have poo poo like when feanor died his spirit burned his body, or the magic gandalf and the balrog use when casting wards on the door in Moria. elves certainly seem to be more in tune with that portion of the world and that may be influencing their abilities in craft or manifest as being capable of extreme acts of valor Ancient elves are mighty in both realms at once, the physical and spiritual, which is why when Frodo is wounded by the wraith blade and the Ringwraiths chase him at the ford he sees Glorfindel glowing like a super saiyan. "Gandalf and Frodo talking in Rivendell posted:Here in Rivendell there live still some of [the Dark Lord's] chief foes: the Elven-wise, lords of the Eldar from beyond the furthest seas. They do not fear the Ringwraiths, for those who have dwelt in the Blessed Realm live at once in both worlds, and against both the Seen and the Unseen they have great power.' So I think ancient elves like Glorfindel, Galadriel, etc quite literally are "magical" in the sense that they can use their own spirit to achieve great/magical deeds much like a Maiar might.
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Something I dug was that somebody (Frodo?) asks why they don't include Glorfindel in the Fellowship, since he's so incredibly powerful, and the answer is basically,"Well sure, if you want to light a giant bonfire that is constantly screaming,"HEY SAURON WE'RE OVER HERE!""
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Jerusalem posted:Something I dug was that somebody (Frodo?) asks why they don't include Glorfindel in the Fellowship, since he's so incredibly powerful, and the answer is basically,"Well sure, if you want to light a giant bonfire that is constantly screaming,"HEY SAURON WE'RE OVER HERE!"" Yeah someone points out how strong as he is Glorfindel can't open the way to the fire with the power in him and that their quest can basically be approached with as much hope for the weak as the strong.
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Omnicarus posted:Dwarves are the best since they are just Aule getting bored waiting for the first born and making his own toys. And then Yavanna created ents because of an argument with Aule. Shimrra Jamaane posted:Also a very neat and not often appreciated facet of Tolkien’s Legendarium is that having “mixed” blood actually enhances your “power” and the nebulous never clearly defined authority you can wield. Galadriel is descended through all three branches of the High Elves. The is explicitly stated to be significant. Elrond is straight up half Elf and half Man and up the line is the descendant of an actual Maiar. And Aragorn is in that exact same line through Elrond’s brother Elros who was the first King of Numenor. Elrond and his brother could also choose if they wanted to be elf or man.
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Frodo saw Glorfindel lit up like a Christmas tree because Frodo was falling into the Unseen World due to the Morgol Blade causing him to turn into a wraith. (the Seen and Unseen worlds are another dimension to the larger metaphysics of the Legendarium) Elves, and the Ainur, exist in both the Seen and Unseen Worlds at all times. And this ties into a more complex discussion on how the Children of Illuvatar have both a Fea (spirit) and Hroa (body) and an Elven Fea is tied directly to Arda while a Man’s Fea is not. But essentially Elves do not fear the Nazgul like Men do because Elves are naturally a part of that Unseen World and can literally see the Nazgul as they are.
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I don't even think this looks bad. It's the tolkien spinoff thing that makes me feel nothing. What's the quenya for "JRR Tolkien's The Avengers"
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Gresh posted:I've been seeing this image on twitter for well over a week now. Its being pointed out that the scales on that Numenorean lady's armor are painted on a shirt. That does seem a bit obvious, no? Holy poo poo that is shameful Half a billion spent on this and we already have painted armor and the awe-inspiring numenoreans of old wearing loving tunics We knew the script on this show was gonna suck but at least we thought those amazonbux would ensure the show looks good 
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Jul 28, 2022 17:26
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MLSM posted:We knew the script on this show was gonna suck We did? Have you read any leaks anywhere?
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TipTow posted:We did? Have you read any leaks anywhere? 
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So were you just redditposting or do you know something practically no one else on Earth knows?
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The Chud YouTube and Reddit takes aren’t slick. Maybe it’ll be bad. Sure. You don’t know poo poo yet though.
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MLSM posted:Holy poo poo that is shameful i don't like this armor either but one of the things we have to remember is this is a 5 season show and inevitably they will cut corners somewhere. how long will those costumes even be on screen? as everyone has said, the writing and editing could indeed be dogshit and we all will hate it 15 minutes in. but we don't know that yet. so far they seem to at least know the source material, they seem to give a poo poo, and it could be fun. https://twitter.com/CruisingCathy/status/1550698231436169217?s=20&t=_WG11wT75pevyURuzNtsDQ Galadriel's armor on the other hand looks great and detailed. WoodrowSkillson fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jul 28, 2022 |
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The problem is that they're adapting a history book and not really a narrative with dialogue in it so they aren't going to have the language of Tolkien like Jackson and co had with the LOTR trilogy. I mean yeah, you got 4 big events in the 2nd age: the forging of the rings of power, the war of the elves and Sauron, the fall of Numenor, and the war of the last alliance...I'd love to see all that on screen, but the huge question is whether or not these showrunners and their writing room will make it all feel "Tolkienian". They could very easily gently caress it all up and make it feel like generic fantasy crap.
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Jul 28, 2022 19:17
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Gresh posted:The problem is that they're adapting a history book and not really a narrative with dialogue in it so they aren't going to have the language of Tolkien like Jackson and co had with the LOTR trilogy. I mean yeah, you got 4 big events in the 2nd age: the forging of the rings of power, the war of the elves and Sauron, the fall of Numenor, and the war of the last alliance...I'd love to see all that on screen, but the huge question is whether or not these showrunners and their writing room will make it all feel "Tolkienian". They could very easily gently caress it all up and make it feel like generic fantasy crap. indeed, it might suck rear end. we just don't know that yet. I'm extremely guarded in my optimism, mostly because I have a high tolerance for nonsense in adaptations if they also do cool fun stuff, i.e. Shadow of War
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MLSM posted:Holy poo poo that is shameful It's a tv show. Even with Bezos' bucks they can't forge unique armor for everyone.
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Right, the problem is that beyond the broad strokes this will mostly be original writing, and they've yet to prove if they're up to the task. In particular it'll be hard to make the dialogue feel authentic, and the generic lines in the trailers don't inspire a lot of confidence.
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Gresh posted:The problem is that they're adapting a history book and not really a narrative with dialogue in it so they aren't going to have the language of Tolkien like Jackson and co had with the LOTR trilogy. I mean yeah, you got 4 big events in the 2nd age: the forging of the rings of power, the war of the elves and Sauron, the fall of Numenor, and the war of the last alliance...I'd love to see all that on screen, but the huge question is whether or not these showrunners and their writing room will make it all feel "Tolkienian". They could very easily gently caress it all up and make it feel like generic fantasy crap. it definitely will be. they got a guy who looks like he plays darts playing ar pharazon and rewrote him as an "advisor". the valinor shots look underwhelming, and the plot will probably be the usual JJ abrams style trash, since he's the guy who recommended the showrunners in the first place
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MLSM posted:Holy poo poo that is shameful This is such a who gives a poo poo thing. Surprise pal, more important characters in more important shots have much much better looking costuming and props. Anything not in the direct focus of the scene is not gonna have the same detail because you're a moron to use "Hero" quality props when it's not necessary. The LOTR featurettes talk about having multiple different version of each sword and outfit of different quality depending on what was necessary for the scene being shot.
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Are we going to get goth gf shelob or monster spider shelob? This is important.
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I want a godzilla spider sucking the juice from a tree
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YaketySass posted:Right, the problem is that beyond the broad strokes this will mostly be original writing, and they've yet to prove if they're up to the task. In particular it'll be hard to make the dialogue feel authentic, and the generic lines in the trailers don't inspire a lot of confidence. That's always a challenge with these things. Game of Thrones had the same issue where a lot of the non GRMM dialogue ended up being trash. They did have some good original bits though, so maybe this will as well.
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Omnicarus posted:Are we going to get goth gf shelob or monster spider shelob? This is important. stupid sexy shelob is 100% plausible within the lore - see Sauron's time as a giant bat, and shadow of war was cool and good for doing something interesting with the story.
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Ginette Reno posted:That's always a challenge with these things. Game of Thrones had the same issue where a lot of the non GRMM dialogue ended up being trash. They did have some good original bits though, so maybe this will as well.
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Shibawanko posted:it definitely will be. they got a guy who looks like he plays darts playing ar pharazon and rewrote him as an "advisor". the valinor shots look underwhelming, and the plot will probably be the usual JJ abrams style trash, since he's the guy who recommended the showrunners in the first place Yeah Pharazon doesn't look anything like how I imagined him lol. Heres my quick ideal casting for the show: Ar-Pharazon - Marton Csokas(Yes I know he was Celeborn in FOTR, don't care because he'd be loving perfect in this role) Sauron/Annatar - Cillian Murphy Tar-Miriel- Ana De Armas Elendil - Oscar Isaac Isildur - Adam Driver Elrond - Antony Starr Galadriel - Anya Taylor-Joy or Emma Stone Gil-Galad- Tom Hiddleston Celebrimbor - Sabastian Stan? lol I honestly don't know for this one but these are all off the top of my head.
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Gresh posted:Yeah Pharazon doesn't look anything like how I imagined him lol. Heres my quick ideal casting for the show: klaus kinski as feanor
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Vegetable posted:I think the problem is when these things are compressed into TV production timelines. Post-GRRM GoT had the occasional gem but they naturally could not match the consistency of a book written over many years without the distraction of an insane, expensive production. It doesn't help that the GOT guys were hacks that just wanted to move on to their next big project and couldn't give a poo poo anymore. I do believe that if they still had passion for the project the final season would have been better.
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Gresh posted:Yeah Pharazon doesn't look anything like how I imagined him lol. Heres my quick ideal casting for the show: Tell me where is Annatar... for I much desire... to speak with him
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Gresh posted:Yeah Pharazon doesn't look anything like how I imagined him lol. Heres my quick ideal casting for the show:
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How FORCEFUL you are, Glorfindel. Such a fine specimen of elf-hood. So… masculine. You must be awfully proood of him, Janet.
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2nd level spells posted:I want a godzilla spider sucking the juice from a tree  Give me that and I'll give you a chance, multi-billion dollar production 
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The new GoT show looks much better than this LOTR show tbh. Costumes, casting, cinematography, CGI just looks much more competent.
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MLSM posted:The new GoT show looks much better than this LOTR show tbh. Costumes, casting, cinematography, CGI just looks much more competent. lmao
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