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Paladinus posted:Raises some questions, imo. What was he hiding? Not really. He didn't want his work Frank Herbert'd after his death.
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Paladinus posted:Raises some questions, imo. What was he hiding? Sandman porn
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Absurd Alhazred posted:You know how JRR Tolkien's smallest pieces of writing, incomplete drafts, correspondence with all and sundry, just keeps getting published in drips to milk that for all it's worth, and academics pore over every little thing? Maybe Pratchett just didn't want any of that. Or he had some Sonic smut there.
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Paladinus posted:Raises some questions, imo. What was he hiding?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:You know how JRR Tolkien's smallest pieces of writing, incomplete drafts, correspondence with all and sundry, just keeps getting published in drips to milk that for all it's worth, and academics pore over every little thing? Maybe Pratchett just didn't want any of that.
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I guess he was a firm believer in the death of the author then
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I'm sure I remember him specifically being horrified at the posthumous publication of an unfinished novel by Douglas Adams, because Adams was a perfectionist who never would have been happy to let people read something until he thought it was done, but I cant for the life of me remember where I think I read that so I could be entirely wrong.
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Sapozhnik posted:I guess he was a firm believer in the death of the author then He died doing what he loved. Dying.
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SiKboy posted:I'm sure I remember him specifically being horrified at the posthumous publication of an unfinished novel by Douglas Adams, because Adams was a perfectionist who never would have been happy to let people read something until he thought it was done, but I cant for the life of me remember where I think I read that so I could be entirely wrong. Funny if true because Raising Steam or whatever the last one is called was definitely 98% written by someone else using his notes (his daughter maybe?) and it blew rear end.
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I thought Making Money was pretty good, and it goes fairly sharply downhill from there 
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That's generally the arc when you get your first job, yes.
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I've never read anything by Terry Prachett.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I've never read anything by Terry Prachett. noted
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I've never read anything by Terry Prachett. He’s probs never read anything by you!
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Biplane posted:Funny if true because Raising Steam or whatever the last one is called was definitely 98% written by someone else using his notes (his daughter maybe?) and it blew rear end. He started dictating to an assistant rather than physically writing with... I think unseen academicals, but it might have been a little earlier than that, but I think you can feel it with unseen academicals. He just couldnt rewrite and revise like he used to, so chunks of the plot kind of are clunky because where, with his full faculties, he could have gone back and added foreshadowing to a swerve that had just occured to him 75% of the way through he just couldnt any more. Even leaving aside the alzheimers, a perfectly healthy person would struggle with that process just by having to go through an intermediary. All the post-UU books seem to suffer from that to a greater or lesser extent. For my money the two Tiffany Aching books suffer from it least simply because they do less. They are relatively straightforward stories with fairly small casts of characters and with a fairly simple narrative goal; Pratchett wants to say goodbye to Granny Weatherwax, and leave that corner of the world on a hopeful note. Raising Steam though... Theres a lot going on there. Like an awful lot. For the record I actually think its "largely fine", which considering how much I love the discworld novels is damning with faint praise, but I gotta take into account the circumstances under which it was written. Pratchett had been nudging Ankh Morpork towards an industrial revolution for more than a decade (starting in earnest I think with The Truth introducing movable type, but I'd entertain an argument for Men At Arms, but theres too much mysticism in the technology in that one for me to agree). This one had to introduce steam power (and the characters associated with it), resolve the tension with the dwarves and serve as his farewell to Moist, those members of the watch who didnt have large parts to play in Snuff, the patrician and the city of ankh morpork. Thats a hell of a lot of balls to keep in the air, and the juggler has loving early onset loving dementia. I'm not denying its kind of a mess, and honestly (and I feel this with Unseen Academicals as well btw) theres no way the Terry Pratchett of 10 years previously releases the book in the state its in, it needs at least one more lengthy pass over the whole thing. Realistically I think if he had been completely healthy there would have been another Moist Von Lipwig novel before Raising Steam (or at the very least another Ankh Morpork novel) so that Raising Steam could have had less stuff in it. The first half is pretty reasonable, but the back half has a whole lot of stuff happening because it needs to happen to get to the ending he's building towards. With all that, and allowing for my admission that I have a ridiculous amount of affection for those fictional characters and that fictional setting I'm willing to give it a pass. Its not top ten discworld by any stretch, but its perfectly readable and its all the ending those characters are going to get. tl:dr, personally I dont think it was written by someone else using his notes. I think it was written by Terry Pratchett himself using his own notes, or more precisely dictated and organised by him using his notes with a determination to leave Ankh Morpork in the state he'd decided it would end up more than a decade earlier when he didnt realise he was on a timer. And in any case, there is a fairly large difference between "Assemble from my notes under my instruction and with my blessing" and "Posthumously publish whatever the most recent version you can find in my notes of a thing I wasnt really happy with".
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I just realized I've read all the Discworld novels aside from the YA and kids books. Wtf For some reason one of my favorites is The Fifth Elephant There's only four, coz one went splat.
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Waste of Breath posted:That's generally the arc when you get your first job, yes. gently caress, I started quoting for the thread, went to bookmarks, ended back in the thread and got confused.
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Outrail posted:I just realized I've read all the Discworld novels aside from the YA and kids books. Wtf The reason is it's one of his best.
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His last books, in particular Raising Steam has this... I'm not sure how to describe it. He has a collection of short stories including one he wrote in school about the devil and in that short story you see a really unpolished version of the mechanics of his writing style there. Raising Steam is like looking at all of him in that same unpolished state. The dialogue, the jokes, the way the plot moves, the setups, they are all unmistakably him but they're like that initial thought in your head immediately transcribed rather than put through the mental filter to hone it in to what he became. Also the dialogue in particular felt very stilted in an old radio drama kind of way, which given what he was suffering at the time I felt was a good insight into how his brain carried its inspiration, but by then we were just getting his raw building blocks assembled together. As someone who was a huge fan of his work and read all of it, even the not Discworld stuff it was very fascinating read in a detached sort of way but as a fan very melancholic and bittersweet because it was impossible to deny how much a toll the disease had already taken of him by then.
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Here have a funny quote as payment for my ramblings:Lake of Methane posted:also I am not a great artiste
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christmas boots posted:Sandman porn 
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oldpainless posted:He’s probs never read anything by you! Considering he died years before my first book was published, I agree with you.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Considering he died years before my first book was published, I agree with you. Once again, as always, I am technically correct, the best kind of correct.
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I'm convinced that Discworld is the actual number one topic for goon derails, it just doesn't matter because it's unlikely to cause any ructions. Do you think Vetinari was circumcised
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:I'm convinced that Discworld is the actual number one topic for goon derails, it just doesn't matter because it's unlikely to cause any ructions. What are circumcision knives made out of, anyway?
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possibly accidentally by his vampire friend hiccupping at the wrong time or something
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:I'm convinced that Discworld is the actual number one topic for goon derails, it just doesn't matter because it's unlikely to cause any ructions.
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Outrail posted:I just realized I've read all the Discworld novels aside from the YA and kids books. Wtf
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:I'm convinced that Discworld is the actual number one topic for goon derails, it just doesn't matter because it's unlikely to cause any ructions.
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the dwarves are fantasy jewish in a much funnier way than usual, including the black sheep son who moved away from the shtetl and fell in love with a shiksa
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sorry for interrupting book chatAgile Vector posted:oooooh, so that's what seal was singing about carry on
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Biplane posted:The reason is it's one of his best. He didn’t even intend for it to be a trans narrative, he just organically arrived at one because he made an “all dwarfs are Gimli” joke in one of his first book and followed the implications of that to their logical conclusion.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:He didn’t even intend for it to be a trans narrative, he just organically arrived at one because he made an “all dwarfs are Gimli” joke in one of his first book and followed the implications of that to their logical conclusion.
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Outrail posted:I just realized I've read all the Discworld novels aside from the YA and kids books. Wtf You absolutely should read his YA stuff. They're just as good as all his other work; they don't condescend to their readers in the way that a lot of YA work does. The main difference is that the YA novels are darker and a bit more serious. FFT posted:Was it before or after the first D&D movie, though? Feet of Clay, the book that introduces the first dwarf character who begins to challenge the "all dwarves are male" traditional gender roles, was published in 1996. The idea was elaborated on in The Fifth Elephant, which was published in 1999. I don't know what the first D&D movie has to do with it, but it came out in 2000.
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FFT posted:Was it before or after the first D&D movie, though? They have their own movie? I thought the only Something Awful forums-produced motion picture was, you know.
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