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Blueberry Pancakes posted:At this point, it really does seem like Deku is going to punch AFO reaaaally hard and that will solve, like, 95% of the issues in the series. Welcome to Shonen; we have punching, fisting, blasting, punching harder, and punch really really really hard as our go-to problem solvers (Sometimes we try talking, but that usually leads to more punching and sometimes handholding)
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I usually enjoy the earlier parts of a shonen more, where the MC usually uses his brains/is more of a trickster before it becomes all about power levels
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hiddenriverninja posted:I usually enjoy the earlier parts of a shonen more, where the MC usually uses his brains/is more of a trickster before it becomes all about power levels 
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really do not understand the inevitable pull towards power creep and higher stakes. the earlier fights in the manga are better because they're easier to follow for the reader and I think were almost clearly easier for Horikoshi to compellingly convey. is it a SJ editing thing or is the siren song of "just give everyone so many powers that you never have to really actually plot out a fight" just that strong?
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TheHan posted:Super cheap to sidestep the shigaraki problem by removing shigaraki from the equation entirely and making his childhood self a literal entity inside him they've already set a precedent for this bullshit with the whole Stars & Stripes fight so expect to see this pop up a lot more
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Valentin posted:really do not understand the inevitable pull towards power creep and higher stakes. the earlier fights in the manga are better because they're easier to follow for the reader and I think were almost clearly easier for Horikoshi to compellingly convey. is it a SJ editing thing or is the siren song of "just give everyone so many powers that you never have to really actually plot out a fight" just that strong? Not really a siren song, just the consequence of this type of writing where you're only allowed to escalate threats cause no one wants to read about the good guy stopping a petty thief trying to ruin a school festival after they just took down a deadly crime lord. 
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Electric Phantasm posted:Not really a siren song, just the consequence of this type of writing where you're only allowed to escalate threats cause no one wants to read about the good guy stopping a petty thief trying to ruin a school festival after they just took down a deadly crime lord. I did and that arc was way better than anything after.
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Jul 29, 2022 19:11
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Electric Phantasm posted:Not really a siren song, just the consequence of this type of writing where you're only allowed to escalate threats cause no one wants to read about the good guy stopping a petty thief trying to ruin a school festival after they just took down a deadly crime lord. i don't know if that holds, though. i feel like you hear all the time that the real problem with the manga is that it can never focus any time on the villains because fans hated it whenever the story went "main plot" and just wanted more slice of life hero academia. it can't be simultaneously true that people only wanted overarching huge threats that demanded power creep and people only wanted cute boys doing cute things. especially when the manga got popular in the first place because it handled smaller scale stuff well (among other things, a lot of early word of mouth for the series at least that I saw was about how well cool it was for taking seemingly useless powers and extending them, which is probably why a lot of people seem happier with vigilantes even if it ran too long or put the only woman in a hospital bed for the last half or whatever (i didn't read vigilantes)). i think you're right that it's not a siren song, but that's because horikoshi didn't actually change. whatever ending we're coming to, power creep and all, is the story horikoshi wanted to tell from the start, at least in its broad strokes, and it's simply that he's better at the small-scale stuff.
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Vinylshadow posted:Welcome to Shonen; we have punching, fisting, blasting, punching harder, and punch really really really hard as our go-to problem solvers I really wouldn't mind it as much here if the manga didn't tell us that this is a problem Deku can't and won't punch to death. Why even bring it up if you couldn't deliver?
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TheHan posted:I really wouldn't mind it as much here if the manga didn't tell us that this is a problem Deku can't and won't punch to death. Why even bring it up if you couldn't deliver? He's only going to punch AFO, leaving Tenko Shimura intact
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Deku then punches the apparition of Tenko's father to cure his distrust in society. 
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Deku then punches his own quirk ghost of All Might's mentor before she abandoned him to cure Shigakari's father of his district for heroes
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Deku and Eri punch together to send one through time to punch Tenko's dad into the hospital so he can't beat his kid.
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Valentin posted:i don't know if that holds, though. i feel like you hear all the time that the real problem with the manga is that it can never focus any time on the villains because fans hated it whenever the story went "main plot" and just wanted more slice of life hero academia. it can't be simultaneously true that people only wanted overarching huge threats that demanded power creep and people only wanted cute boys doing cute things. especially when the manga got popular in the first place because it handled smaller scale stuff well (among other things, a lot of early word of mouth for the series at least that I saw was about how well cool it was for taking seemingly useless powers and extending them, which is probably why a lot of people seem happier with vigilantes even if it ran too long or put the only woman in a hospital bed for the last half or whatever (i didn't read vigilantes)). No the issue people had (as far as I read) was that the villains were "people". Not that they were on-screen but that their screen-time was dedicated to humanising them, instead of just defeating them.
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I don't think that's the case; the place it came up was Horikoshi revealing that sales plummeted during the forest training arc when the villains showed up, which is why the traitor reveal got skipped there. I don't recall any real depth or anything being added there, the villains just showed up and his editors apparently panicked and advised him to skip. At least that was the conclusion when this last came up in thread like three months ago. e: here, from the playbill for the spring 2022 stage show, ig https://www.twitter.com/AsarathaHS/status/1510738586362003457 my understanding is that while western fandom has generally liked the villains and was very into MVA, Japan has not been very similar at all. I think also, to your point, there was some discussion around the theory that MVA got seriously scaled back in the anime adaptation because it sympathized too much with the villains, but iirc that was muddled because it was also clearly censored due to time slot issues? I don't watch the anime so could be very offbase. Valentin fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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Eggplant Squire posted:I did and that arc was way better than anything after. It was also better than anything before, and the stuff before was pretty good.
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I wonder if Deku's gonna stop All For One by using the One For All power and giving his powers to Shigaraki, and then you get the whole quirk ghost predecessors thing stripping away the All For One consciousness once and for all.
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So is it the villains the Japanese audience didn't like or specifically the focus away from school stuff because the focus moving away from that is largely when it's been poor
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Two Tone Shoes posted:I wonder if Deku's gonna stop All For One by using the One For All power and giving his powers to Shigaraki, and then you get the whole quirk ghost predecessors thing stripping away the All For One consciousness once and for all. Any ending where Deku gives up One For All to stop All For One would be pretty neat, ending on quirkless Deku being a hero even without the flashy powers. That kinda feels like table stakes, though - Deku was the sort of person willing to sacrifice himself from day one, so it's not like it'd be a hard choice. Sacrificing his power in order to save the day would be more of a move for Bakugo, moreso than him sacrificing his life - the idea of no longer being the best would fit his arc a little better. Not really a clear way for that to happen, though.
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I would not be surprised if there's a moment where Bakugo saves Deku in a mirror of that first sludge villain and maybe gets his quirk yanked during it by OFA or something. That event has been stressed the entire comic.
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https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/my-hero-academia-chapter-361/chapter/25049?action=read https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1013466 Next thing you know Tomura will be saying he actually has a super hot girlfriend, but you've never met her because she goes to a different school.
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Staltran posted:Mirio's apology is 100% instinctual while he's busy thinking wtf to himself, not a genuine apology. It's actually hilarious imo He mentions he feels bad, so I think it's at least partially genuine and partially 
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It’s Mirio, of course he feels slightly bad that he actually hurt someone’s feelings
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Can some people in the thread not conceptualize the idea of feeling bad for hurting someone's feelings even if it's a bad person lol
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Last Celebration posted:It’s Mirio, of course he feels slightly bad that he actually hurt someone’s feelings plus the reaction he got is like it's coming from a seriously traumatized and hurt child, which would absolutely hit Mirio, even so out of place
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ButterSkeleton posted:Can some people in the thread not conceptualize the idea of feeling bad for hurting someone's feelings even if it's a bad person lol A lot of the discourse on that came from before the speedscan even, but from somebody summarizing another summary.
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ButterSkeleton posted:Can some people in the thread not conceptualize the idea of feeling bad for hurting someone's feelings even if it's a bad person lol I think my empathy would be out to lunch if they were trying to murder me, yeah.
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When a server tells him to enjoy the meal, Mirio always replies "you too."
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from mirio's perspective, this zombie-looking supervillain switched from grandiose speeches about how he was going to kill everyone to tearfully screaming like a five-year old after one innocuous insult. makes sense he'd be a little taken aback
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I still can't really tell what's going on with Suneater's super meal but alright, let's see what it does.
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oh jay posted:When a server tells him to enjoy the meal, Mirio always replies "you too." hell,
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oh jay posted:When a server tells him to enjoy the meal, Mirio always replies "you too." 
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CuwiKhons posted:I still can't really tell what's going on with Suneater's super meal but alright, let's see what it does. A: Nothing of plot relevance.
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CuwiKhons posted:I still can't really tell what's going on with Suneater's super meal but alright, let's see what it does. I'm going to take a long shot bet and say that it'll do absolutely nothing besides distract Shigaraki for a chapter before being effortlessly defeated, like every other thing the heroes have done here while waiting for Deku.
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Kanos posted:I'm going to take a long shot bet and say that it'll do absolutely nothing besides distract Shigaraki for a chapter before being effortlessly defeated, like every other thing the heroes have done here while waiting for Deku. There's a chance it will do some serious damage and force Shigaraki to pull something new out of his rear end at the last second to totally undo it all and reset the fight.
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sun eater's meat cannon is his answer to the question of the worth of guns in a super powered society
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Here I am wondering what that quirk could do in a cannibalistic villain. Probably something like Sylar from Heroes. There's already enough quirk stealers in this series.
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Mirio says "I feel bad! But" so even in the official translation I don't think he really cares.
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Mirio is a good boy even to those he probably shouldn't be.
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Lamebot posted:Here I am wondering what that quirk could do in a cannibalistic villain. Probably something like Sylar from Heroes. There's already enough quirk stealers in this series. Stain was pretty close.
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