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Zionists have done an amazing job rerouting the holocaust to be all about their suffering yeah.
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Kitfox88 posted:Zionists have done an amazing job rerouting the holocaust to be all about their suffering yeah. It bothers me because recognizing the immensity of the entire crime in no way diminishes the Jewish experience
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HashtagGirlboss posted:It bothers me because recognizing the immensity of the entire crime in no way diminishes the Jewish experience it does if you consider having the Holocaust be solely about antisemitism as part of the Jewish experience
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HashtagGirlboss posted:It bothers me because recognizing the immensity of the entire crime in no way diminishes the Jewish experience indigi posted:it does if you consider having the Holocaust be solely about antisemitism as part of the Jewish experience
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tokin opposition posted:Yeah it's weird. We have the pink triangle as a queer symbol because were going to the loving camps too but nobody seems to be able to remember that Blame Israel for turning the Holocaust into strictly a Jewish association as part of justification for the continuing apartheid of their ethno-state. You can see the consequences of that in tweet from the baroness where the existence of other victims somehow diminishes anti-semitism. Hopefully this isn't too hot of a take, but Zionism sucks.
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Jews would absolutely see the Holocaust as a primarily Jewish affair, verging on exclusively Jewish affair, zionism or no zionism. To expect a society to undergo that kind of apocalypse and think about the other people who were hurt is just asking too much of people. I think it's totally comparable to how Americans see WWII (and even WWI) as America vs. the Nazis. And this pattern holds just as much in communities that are nonzionist or antizionist - you'll never see Satmars talk about the mass murder of the disabled, because for them Jews are near and disabled German gentiles are far. Kitfox88 posted:Zionists have done an amazing job rerouting the holocaust to be all about their suffering yeah. This would be at least as true - I would say much more true - if you replaced "Zionists" with "Jews," it would just be more uncomfortable for non-Jewish people to say or hear. Civilized Fishbot has issued a correction as of 20:40 on Jul 29, 2022 |
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75% of the Jewish population of Europe died in the Holocaust. 75% of the Romani population as well. The Nazis also targeted Soviet citizens, Poles, Serbs, disabled people, and LGBT people, but those groups had a proportionally lower death rate.
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YaketySass posted:Wondering what that "root cause" is supposed to be in her mind. i'm guessing something about interest rates
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Chamale posted:75% of the Jewish population of Europe died in the Holocaust. 75% of the Romani population as well. The Nazis also targeted Soviet citizens, Poles, Serbs, disabled people, and LGBT people, but those groups had a proportionally lower death rate.
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Luckily the West doesn't believe in mental illness anymore so there are no asylums. Gonna make them work trying to round us all up.
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tokin opposition posted:Yeah it's weird. We have the pink triangle as a queer symbol because were going to the loving camps too but nobody seems to be able to remember that And Christian freaks wrote poo poo like The Pink Swastika in the 90s to try to retcon the nazis as evil gays - you see, they were butch leather gays who only killed the sissy gays, and being a reactionary piece of poo poo in America is just like being one of the people we want to kill and were killed by nazis. twitter TERF idiots literally post the nazi book burning photos to say they're being censored.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Blame Israel for turning the Holocaust into strictly a Jewish association as part of justification for the continuing apartheid of their ethno-state. You can see the consequences of that in tweet from the baroness where the existence of other victims somehow diminishes anti-semitism. It's a trip reading about how Israel treated the Holocaust survivors who emigrated after WWII - they treated them like poo poo, people called them "soapers" as a slur and the Zionist project saw them basically as weak victims who deserved their suffering. Plus their Yiddish/diaspora culture was suppressed in favor of the "pure" manufactured Israeli identity and all the fake archeology poo poo they did, renaming old Arab towns and poo poo.
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Zionists and antisemites love each other, they need each other, it's why Israel and Orban's Hungary are buddy buddy against the "leftist" Soros.
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Chamale posted:75% of the Jewish population of Europe died in the Holocaust. 75% of the Romani population as well. The Nazis also targeted Soviet citizens, Poles, Serbs, disabled people, and LGBT people, but those groups had a proportionally lower death rate. proportional to what, weren't the majority of victims just russian civilians
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:proportional to what, weren't the majority of victims just russian civilians To total population size obviously
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pygmy tyrant posted:yeah but most remote areas aren't built in places with inherent ventilation issues Cappadocia is well ventilated (for livestock)I don't imagine this would be much different
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Chamale posted:75% of the Jewish population of Europe died in the Holocaust. 75% of the Romani population as well. The Nazis also targeted Soviet citizens, Poles, Serbs, disabled people, and LGBT people, but those groups had a proportionally lower death rate. so what's the cutoff for us mattering, exactly?
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:proportional to what, weren't the majority of victims just russian civilians yeah but there were way more Russian civilians than European Jews
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IMO all 27 million Soviet citizens should be counted as victims of genocide, wiping out the population of eastern Europe was half the reason for invading. Still 'only' 16% of the total population of the USSR as opposed to 56% (?) of Soviet Jewery. I'd be curious to see an analysis of these figures for only the bits the nazis conquered, I imagine those numbers would be closer given the historical concentration of Jews in the western portions of the Russian empire, although still probably not too close.
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Weka posted:IMO all 27 million Soviet citizens should be counted as victims of genocide, wiping out the population of eastern Europe was half the reason for invading. Still 'only' 16% of the total population of the USSR as opposed to 56% (?) of Soviet Jewery. I'd be curious to see an analysis of these figures for only the bits the nazis conquered, I imagine those numbers would be closer given the historical concentration of Jews in the western portions of the Russian empire, although still probably not too close.
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I thought it was 19 million Soviet citizens and 8 million soldiers
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indigi posted:I thought it was 19 million Soviet citizens and 8 million soldiers 19 million civilians. The soldiers were also citizens. tokin opposition posted:so what's the cutoff for us mattering, exactly? I didn't mean to imply that other groups killed in the Holocaust are less important. I'm referring to the older posts about how it's seen as a singularly important event in Jewish history. It should be for Romani history as well, but most European governments still have laws discriminating against them.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:To expect a society to undergo that kind of apocalypse and think about the other people who were hurt is just asking too much of people. It was apocalyptic for other societies also
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gradenko_2000 posted:It was apocalyptic for other societies also How does that pertain to what I said? Jewish society in Europe was destroyed, expecting Jews to say "yes but others also suffered just as intensely" is just asking too much of people Civilized Fishbot has issued a correction as of 09:53 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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Chamale posted:19 million civilians. The soldiers were also citizens. Homosexual prisoners for example were kept in the camps because they were still criminals in the eyes of Allied governments
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Civilized Fishbot posted:How does that pertain to what I said? Yeah I understand you see this in Soviet histories, where the harm inflicted on Jewish society is minimized and the damage done to the USSR takes primacy. It's a totally normal reaction that's probably not ideal but completely excusable. I guess now 80 years on where it's fading from living memory you'd hope for some sort of synthesis.
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nazis may have killed a lot of jews, but they killed even more slavs, so, it;s impossible to say if their bad or not,
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Also the extermination of the disabled that was first of them all. Communists even before them. March 1933 the first camps are established and 80% of prisoners in 1933 are members of the KPD and around 10% SDP. These early camps actually mostly closed down by late 1933 and through early 1934 and most of their prisoners are released, but Himmler manages to get the whole camp system under the command of the SS following the purge of the SA in mid 1934. Through some legal reform fuckery the camps then fall outside of all pre-existing legal codes and oversight and Himmler starts to set up his new camp system throughout 1937. Main point is to go after "internal enemies" aka "communists, socialists, Jews, Freemasons and criminals". This is also when the camp uniforms with badges are introduced. Then in 1938 they start to go hog-wild with the number of prisoners increasing exponentially targeting "habitual criminals" and "asocials" which is also what the mentally ill and disabled were classed under (or "work-shy"). Same for sexual minorities. The political prisoners (aka communists and socialists) become a minority for the first time in the 2nd half of 1938. Jehovahs Witnesses and Jews were next. Following Kristalnacht so many Jews are arrested that the camps get overwhelmed. There is mass abuse and death, but also most of these Jews get released if they promise to emigrate. I'm not entirely sure if Roma, Sinti et al. were in the "habitual criminals" + "asocials" + "work-shy" group or deliberately targeted as a specific group later. Then once the war kicks off we get ever more camps and ever worsening conditions. The camps come to be used both to exterminate en-masse Soviet prisoners of war, for the first organised industrial scale killings of human beings and also as slave labour to support the war effort, which causes tons of deaths as well. Specifically ill and exhausted prisoners were ordered to be murdered, as they had no value as slave labour. This was done by removing them from the camps and bringing them to euthanasia centers. This is the point where mentally ill and disabled people, insofar as they were still alive, are murdered en-masse. Though technically still based on individual assessment I suppose. In 1941 Einsatzgruppen begin the Holocaust in the field in Eastern Europe. Following the Wannsee conference in January 1942 the industrial mass extermination of Jews in the camp system commences, using the same methods that were used on the Soviet prisoners of war. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 11:36 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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Civilized Fishbot posted:How does that pertain to what I said? I don’t think this is true, given the Armenian experience with genocide and their embrace of Assyrian survivors and the study and recognition of the Assyrian genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayfo quote:International recognition it strikes me as a bizarre point of discussion.
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Only cspam is brave enough to ask the real questions like "was the holocaust really that bad?? idk ppl die all the time"
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I am going to be brave and say it is possible for more than one people to be genocided. And, furthermore, that multiple genocides can happen concurrently.
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ALL genocides matter!!
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to me, the holocaust was bad
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Flesh Forge posted:ALL genocides matter!! Yes. but not all things called a genocide are actual genocides. e.g. Holodomor, Ugyhurs, White, Black, your posts, etc
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lobster shirt posted:to me, the holocaust was bad hmmm, problematic
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Lee harpin got convicted of phone hacking when that was happening in the UK and loses libel cases all the time the last couple of years writing for the Jewish chronicle https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1553519682409340928?t=ijgmWRVZBVs2wtFKjcUVlA&s=19
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Being a terf is wild https://twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1553755493327376384?t=20JkOwBXk67hi17h01KO4Q&s=19
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rights are a zero sum game and that means if trans people get them others lose them right that must be how this works if all these loving dipsticks think so
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Jose posted:Being a terf is wild Lol https://twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1553681578575929346?s=20&t=sR7oOUvXiQxYw7ZPGDlYMQ
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