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Ardennes posted:Also, yeah the F-22 is a better fighter but not THAT much better. DCS leads me to believe that the F-22 is a gundam
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Rutibex posted:that doesn't make any sense it's 13 extra Fs. You gotta pay for that The F16 was cheaper than the F15 and they were contemporary. I mean so is the f22 with the f35 but it feels like the F35 is still in the oven with all their maintenance and production issues
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Cao Ni Ma posted:The F16 was cheaper than the F15 and they were contemporary. The F16 is cheaper than the F15 because its mission was to be a lighter, cheaper fighter than the F15 with its dual engines, much larger payload, bigger radar, etc. The F35's mission is to siphon as much money to shareholders as possible and unit price + sustainment is a big part of achieving that objective
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Whatever did happen to f23 - f34?
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A Bakers Cousin posted:Whatever did happen to f23 - f34? Even the F35 name was literally marketing. They decided to port over the experimental number instead of calling it the F24. The F23 technically exists, it never went into production because the F22 won
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https://www.dw.com/ru/der-spiegel-u...S_pBYM77SKKERXkquote:Der Spiegel: The Ukrainian Armed Forces have problems with German PzH 2000 howitzers | DW | 29.07.2022 what do you mean the artillery guns can't handle more than 100 rounds a day
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fits my needs posted:https://twitter.com/Militarydotcom/status/1553089952438751233?s=20&t=L9BlviFntox9X0H52j2QNg Will these too dissolve in sea water?
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The Saildrones are pretty cool but they’re also just existing research drones that have been militarized
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The Oldest Man posted:DCS leads me to believe that the F-22 is a gundam should be pointed out that the gundam was never one hundred percent invincible and was essentially obsolete once the gelgoog took the field
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Stairmaster posted:should be pointed out that the gundam was never one hundred percent invincible and was essentially obsolete once the gelgoog took the field at one point in the original show the gundam is disabled by some infantry guys driving by on hoverbikes and planting explosives on it the only reason the story doesn't end there is when a literal child left the cockpit and started doing EOD they didn't shoot him, on account of being conscript soldiers and not volunteer colonial policemen
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yeah the original gundam is 'immune' to the 90mm zeon machine guns and the odd missile from what i remember they were pretty consistent with this and Amuro just dodges most things
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The earth federation also pushes zeon out of eurasia before its mass production mobile suits see any real deployment.
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crepeface posted:lol if you think australia it would mount any kind of resistance instead of instantly rolling over from some arcane bylaw from even token appearance of independence Just like they did last time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis Ardennes posted:I believe of one combat mission profile, and that is of the remainder of the fleet, which is far less than what were built. Holy heck you're right. I couldn't find a full mission capable rate in 5 minutes of searching, which is pretty lol.
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The Oldest Man posted:Feddies will lose Side 3 War Surely we will succeed where actual Great Men of History have failed  3 front wars are easy to win. See, we did it in Iraq and Afghanistan at the same time.
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The Oldest Man posted:Feddies will lose Side 3 War they did side 3 retained independence, zeon military forces broke off and continued occupying swathes of earth for decades and most importantly of all the rich people who ran the whole earth sphere were safe in neutral colonies for the duration, remained in charge, made fat stacks selling weapons to every side of every war for decades and all died of old age before any of the rich people running other parts of the solar system finally managed to invade earth successfully and kick them over as the rich-in-charge gundam is very cspam
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Weka posted:Just like they did last time. cia involvement aside I don’t understand why Labor who had won the house and gained seats in the senate two elections in a row lost both houses by a landslide after Kerr called the dismissal, were they just posted that Labor couldn’t get anything done
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did the american military just buy wholeheartedly into the end of history and completely stop giving a poo poo about being able to effectively wage war against an adversary more capable than a third world tinpot dictator or something
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Wheeee posted:did the american military just buy wholeheartedly into the end of history and completely stop giving a poo poo about being able to effectively wage war against an adversary more capable than a third world tinpot dictator or something like us got destroyed in korea and pushed to the end until we decided gently caress it, lets go genociding baybee and bombed about 85% of korea to rubble. same for vietnam. and also we sucked in iraq and had to completely annihlate fallujah off the map before we oculd say "we won the city" over a pile of broken bricks and bodies. us sucks at doing anything other than massively indiscriminately dropping an unholy amount of bombs onto civilians and cities. which to be fair, US is very good at it and still is. Xaris has issued a correction as of 04:44 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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the secret lesson of american military history is nobody has ever really been equipped to fight a war across the atlantic or pacific and nobody ever will
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atelier morgan posted:the secret lesson of american military history is nobody has ever really been equipped to fight a war across the atlantic or pacific and nobody ever will we are about as close as you can get to it on the ocean logistics front.
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just build some hyperloops under the ocean bing bong
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the MIC sucks up huge amounts of dollars but it's not quite as simple as "expensive programs will always be funded." internal politics mean that some pet projects get more love than others. thus, the navy is struggling to build more supercarriers even though they're the most expensive warships in history. congress continues to fund the a-10 even though more modern, more expensive planes fail to get bought. etc. it's a little unfair to say that the US has never been able to wage war against a peer opponent, depending on your definition of waging war. the union army at the end of the civil war was probably one of the largest and most proficient western armies of the period. US battlefield performance in ww1 left much to be desired, but american numerical superiority and logistical dominance were the deciding factors of the hundred days offensive. germany could probably have been defeated by the soviets alone in ww2, but the course of the war was hugely influenced by lend-lease. and of course the british and dutch were never gonna get it done against the japanese in the pacific war. if you're fighting the sort of war that can be won by building thousands of boats, you'll want to be on the US's side
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Aglet56 posted:if you're fighting the sort of war that can be won by building thousands of boats, you'll want to be on the US's side the US can’t actually do this
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well, it clearly did before, so it's an point against xaris's argument that the US's present feebleness is nothing new
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Aglet56 posted:well, it clearly did before, so it's an point against xaris's argument that the US's present feebleness is nothing new The US did it before…80 years ago when the government still required accountability from the MIC and the US was the largest manufacturer on the planet. Times changed.
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Wow it turns out centralization and a planned economy is necessary to effectively wage war
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if WW3 starts from pelosi deciding to take a joyride to taiwan then this is the theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrkEc2V3mO4
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Aglet56 posted:the MIC sucks up huge amounts of dollars but it's not quite as simple as "expensive programs will always be funded." internal politics mean that some pet projects get more love than others. thus, the navy is struggling to build more supercarriers even though they're the most expensive warships in history. congress continues to fund the a-10 even though more modern, more expensive planes fail to get bought. etc. bzzt those don't have margins these days the only thing worth doing is a cost plus and sustainment sole source contract for a jet plane made out of pure mithril and run on one billion lines of proprietary code that you can upcharge to "fix" for the next three decades
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i think the us produces something like 1-2% of merchant ships by tonnage per annum. meanwhile china stands for like 40%, making them far and away the largest builder of merchant vessels in the world also fun fact, number 2 and 3 in the world are south korea and japan, which i suppose could be counted in the us column being de facto vassal states, but if the poo poo hits the fan then those shipyards will be ash before you can say dongfeng so im p sure that in the hypothetical us-china war it won't be the west that rules the waves for very long
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preparations for overlord began almost immediately after pearl and had the benefit of an immense island right off shore with massive docks and effectively infinite space to store and stage from* and the resulting invasion force was still inferior in number and capability to what the nazis invaded the ussr with three years prior with japan the us military expected to suffer more casualties in the invasion than in all us military operations before or since and that it would only be possible at all after having firebombed or nuked every single population center and having starved tens of millions (instead of the mere millions who were starved before the war ended) * - which is the 'why taiwan', in every discussion of america/china relations
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atelier morgan posted:* - which is the 'why taiwan', in every discussion of america/china relations because the us wants to use it as a staging base for an invasion of mainland china?
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The Oldest Man posted:because the us wants to use it as a staging base for an invasion of mainland china? i don't think the us right now exists in a way where it can want to do anything, but eisenhower definitely wanted to have the option, and china being worried about the us having that option has been clear in their strategic decisionmaking and weapons development programs ever since
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indigi posted:cia involvement aside I don’t understand why Labor who had won the house and gained seats in the senate two elections in a row lost both houses by a landslide after Kerr called the dismissal, were they just posted that Labor couldn’t get anything done I'm not a dingo dicker but the wikipedia page says the Liberals campaigned successfully on economic conditions but I imagine you're atleast partly correct. People love to back a winner. Aglet56 posted:the MIC sucks up huge amounts of dollars but it's not quite as simple as "expensive programs will always be funded." internal politics mean that some pet projects get more love than others. thus, the navy is struggling to build more supercarriers even though they're the most expensive warships in history. congress continues to fund the a-10 even though more modern, more expensive planes fail to get bought. etc. The south wasn't really a peer and also was part of the same country so presumably any american failings at fighting wars would apply to it as well. Germany both times America's main contribution was in support. The Japanese empire I guess if you squint was a near peer. My conclusion is America sucks at land wars.
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Also, to be honest, most of the fighting on the ground versus Japan was done by Chinese or a Soviet soldiers besides island hopping. The US has always been about sea (and later air) control. Arguably, that goes back to the Mexican American War. The War of 1812 was a wet noodle contest (which the US lost) and the Revolutionary war depended on the French. If the US loses control of the seas, its boned.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Wow it turns out centralization and a planned economy is necessary to effectively wage war Another W for comrade Jughashvili
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Ardennes posted:The War of 1812 was a wet noodle contest (which the US lost)
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cat botherer posted:My 8th grade history teacher would strongly disagree with this characterization. yeah well my 8th grade history teacher would fight yours. canada won a war against the pathetic cowardly USA *finest Ontario education  *
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