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Xiahou Dun posted:So I understand that the jury has to be kept uninformed about this cap so they can't just shift the money around* and give the plaintiffs 11-ty billion$ instead of 150,000,000$... but what if they just decided to do it on their own? Like next week the jury foreman, completely independently, manages to get everyone on board with "gently caress Alex, Shitball McMullet made us watch so much of his show, he's gonna pay!" and they spend jury deliberations collaborating on just writing more 0s on the end of the amount due. There's obviously some maximum just cause there's a non infinite amount of money in the world, but I'm assuming there's another thing before that. They can but giving more than the plaintiff asked for means the judge might reduce it back down, and an appeal will definitely reduce it. I think the jury having a good reason and explanation for why they are awarding whatever amount they decide on is pretty important to making it stand up. "Alex Jones is a huge rear end in a top hat" is true but sadly not against the law. Xiahou Dun posted:*This actually raises a bunch of questions too if you happen to have any answers to that as well. Like, sure the court can't tell them, but what happens in 10 years when this might not be common knowledge but isn't obscure anymore. Or like, what if I pay to have it sky-written above the courthouse as the jury is leaving for the day next Monday? Would Texas even try to do something to me over here in New York? I think this is not a specific "jury can't know about the damage cap" and more like "jury isn't supposed to know more than the judge's instructions about damages in general". They're supposed to be neutral at every part of the process. Like, if the Newton parents are actually super-rich, or Alex Jones actually makes almost zero money from infowars, I think they're not supposed to know that.
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I really hope that Alex Jones is on the hook for this money because it all seems to me that he's going to try and hide his assets to never pay the families a dime. I'm hoping this makes Infowars completely defunct.
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Jul 30, 2022 03:39
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All we have to do is destroy his pill warehouse. Financially.
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Klyith posted:They can but giving more than the plaintiff asked for means the judge might reduce it back down, and an appeal will definitely reduce it. Ah, okay. Thank you. So how much does sky-writing cost? Does anyone know? Do I get to pick the font or is it pretty fixed?
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Jul 30, 2022 04:21
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Klyith posted:or Alex Jones actually makes almost zero money from infowars, I think they're not supposed to know that. I think a portion of this trial is dedicated to finding out exactly how much money Alex makes from infowars?
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Jul 30, 2022 04:25
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I assume you have to figure out how much money there is in order to decide on punitive damages. Jones will claim there’s no money and try to say a even the tiniest damages would be unfairly heavy for him.
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Jul 30, 2022 05:25
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BigglesSWE posted:Alex will absolutely claim he kept leaving the court due to a fear of his life, absolutely. The 'Bravest, toughtest, manliest, patriot anywhere'. *Literally takes team of bodyguards with him even into court* I was thinking about this last night as well. When he tells stories about interactions with the public where people don't want to speak to him or look daggers at him but are too scared to confront him. Always remember the escort of thugs he's surrounds himself with.
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Jul 30, 2022 08:27
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ironic jones is the one with a crew when the loving witnesses and jurors are the ones who are going to need protection once info wars doxxes them in retaliation
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Jul 30, 2022 08:40
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Jones doesn't realise that he isn't worth the cost of a bullet, let alone jail time for ganking him and making him a gigantic martyr Let him be financially destroyed and have to walk on eggshells every time he tries to say anything remotely harmful to real people. People watch him for that poisonous rhetoric so if he has to rant about vampires and robots for the rest of his life, he can have fun doing that while his audience goes to the next truth telling patriot
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Checking up on his broadcast from Friday. Apparently “almost all” of the “court staff” fist bump him and tell him he’s right and this trial is awful. Also at the cafe near the courthouse his team gets free food and waitresses literally kiss Alex on the cheek and one waitress whispered to him “that man from the new york times was here asking me if you’d been drinking I told him you hadn’t”.
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Jul 30, 2022 10:33
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Reddit user Walmart_valet created this meme template and I just felt we all needed to see this potential  E: was it on the actually fairly solid r/knowledge_fight subre-it is and I’m reconsidering my “don’t post on Reddit” stance, but the r/r thread and the horrors make me pause
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Xiahou Dun posted:Just a clarification question if you don't mind since you're smarter than me : The jury absolutely can give a larger verdict for compensatory damages and should. Abbott’s pulling up the ladder is the end result of republicans arguing for years that auto insurance and health insurance is so expensive because of crazy jury judgments and greedy lawyers. So their way to reduce insurance costs is to prevent people from collecting huge sums from insurance companies. The end result is punitive damages are dead in texas and their insurance rates still went up. Turns out tort reform was just what the doctor and insurance lobby wanted, and they fund a lot of state level campaigns.
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your link's broken but you beat me by like three minutes 
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Mr. Nice! posted:The jury absolutely can give a larger verdict for compensatory damages and should. Also the plaintiffs’ bar tends to lean pretty Democratic and plaintiff’s lawyers tend to be financial backers of Dem campaigns. “Tort reform” serves a similar purpose to destroying unions; it’s a way to eliminate the political-economic structures that allow for their opposition to exist.
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are personal injury attorneys in it for the money? absolutely. i used to work in a pi office. does that mean that the people they work for haven't actually been hurt and deserve compensation? absolutely not. tort reform is nothing more than victim blaming to mask where people are really getting bled dry.
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DickParasite posted:your link's broken but you beat me by like three minutes Yeah not sure what was going on there but it's working now.
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Jul 30, 2022 14:05
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For those curious, Greg Abbott got something like $9m via settlement in 1984 because of a lawsuit after someone's tree fell on him while jogging. He claims that he did not seek punitive damages in the lawsuit, but he has never released the actual pleadings of the lawsuit only the terms of the settlement.
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Jul 30, 2022 14:08
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9m is life changing money for a lot of folks so ofc it would go to that sorry excuse of a lizard person.
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Mr. Nice! posted:are personal injury attorneys in it for the money? absolutely. i used to work in a pi office. does that mean that the people they work for haven't actually been hurt and deserve compensation? absolutely not. yeah my dad is a lawyer and does kind of everything since he's a small town guy but there's a lot of PI and I'm in law school currently and definitely have no objections to doing PI when I get out potentially people get hurt and need their fuckin bills paid and insurance companies don't want to pay up because as we know they suck rear end, I dunno why it would be bad to be someone that insurance companies hate
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Tree Dude posted:I think a portion of this trial is dedicated to finding out exactly how much money Alex makes from infowars? But is that to show that he makes money out of defaming the plaintiffs? Not for the purpose of how much money Alex Jones has to give in damages.
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Jul 30, 2022 14:35
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Once the trial is complete and a number for damages has been determined can the court skip the step where it's on Alex's good faith to pay the amount owed because of the precident of him being a complete shitbag up to this point?
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Jul 30, 2022 14:48
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Knuckle Sammich posted:Once the trial is complete and a number for damages has been determined can the court skip the step where it's on Alex's good faith to pay the amount owed because of the precident of him being a complete shitbag up to this point? I don't think they can go straight to seizing assets, no
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Klyith posted:But is that to show that he makes money out of defaming the plaintiffs? Not for the purpose of how much money Alex Jones has to give in damages. The second phase of this trial will be the punitive damages phase. That phase will include discussion of the defendants' net worth and total assets because that's how the jury bases its determination of how much money will punish Jones to keep him from doing this again in the future. They're going to unanimously award like $500m in exemplary damages that the court will thank them for then reduce to $750k after they've been discharged.
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Knuckle Sammich posted:Once the trial is complete and a number for damages has been determined can the court skip the step where it's on Alex's good faith to pay the amount owed because of the precident of him being a complete shitbag up to this point? Alex has hidden all his assets. When we get to the punitive damages phase he's going to claim he has no money. The judgment against him for $150,750,000 will be appealed and take time to affirm. There may be some mechanism to begin collection prior to the appeal's finalization in Texas, but I'm not sure of it. In FL, he'd have to pony up the entire judgment into the court registry in advance before he's allowed to appeal at all. I don't know Texas rules in this regard. Once the judgment is final and appeals are exhausted, then collection can begin. They will get a notice of the judgment from the court and send it to every bank in Texas saying "give us any money that Alex Emric Jones or this list of alter ego LLCs has in their accounts" and they can file liens against certain property and assets. Some of those assets are protected, and Jones will do as much as possible to stymie collections. I've posted earlier about the TUFTA case - that's the case trying to unwind his shielding of assets so that collection can actually be made against him. Here are my thoughts on what Jones' current strategy is. Jones is trying to force the CT and TX plaintiffs back into bankruptcy court. He's allowing the TX judgment to finalize because it's effectively capped at $150,750,000 as the jury won't award more in compensatory damages than asked for typically. This means he can likewise cap the CT lawsuit to a similar value. The judgment from TX will be non-dischargeable as it is the result of an intentional tort, but if he successfully traps the CT litigation, it will be dischargeable. He filed his cross complaint for indemnification in order to completely discharge liability from the CT suit via the bankruptcy. All of this relies on the bankruptcy court treating this as a good faith bankruptcy. We'll find out more on that Monday morning at 8:30am central time.
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Wait, is it Emric? I thought it was Emmerich.
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Pirate Radar posted:Wait, is it Emric? I thought it was Emmerich. On all the legal filings it's Emric. Wikipedia has Emerick.
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Jul 30, 2022 15:42
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Good faith bankruptcy and Alex Jones goes well together like Donald Trump and stairs.
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BigglesSWE posted:Good faith bankruptcy and Alex Jones goes well together like Donald Trump and stairs. Or Donald Trump and good faith bankruptcy
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Mr. Nice! posted:The jury absolutely can give a larger verdict for compensatory damages and should. Did he pull up the ladder or just roll into it and knock it over?
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Mr. Nice! posted:Alex has hidden all his assets. When we get to the punitive damages phase he's going to claim he has no money. The judgment against him for $150,750,000 will be appealed and take time to affirm. There may be some mechanism to begin collection prior to the appeal's finalization in Texas, but I'm not sure of it. In FL, he'd have to pony up the entire judgment into the court registry in advance before he's allowed to appeal at all. I don't know Texas rules in this regard. Hopefully the case is thrown out immediately on Monday so we can watch Reynal continue to suck. Thanks for the info.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:Did he pull up the ladder or just roll into it and knock it over? the ladder fell on him so he sued it and now it's removed so nobody else gets a chance at it
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So like when they go after Alex Jones for paying the debt what all can they do? Like can he still make millions of dollars a year and receive funds or does this totally gently caress him and they can pursue him for every penny.
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Do damages have to be monetary or can the jury submit other typs of damges? Like can they say Jones can't wear blue shirts ever again or a practical he can't bring up the names of the parents or kids ever in a broadcast or written media?
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Digital Jedi posted:Do damages have to be monetary or can the jury submit other typs of damges? Like can they say Jones can't wear blue shirts ever again or a practical he can't bring up the names of the parents or kids ever in a broadcast or written media? A jury can only ever return money damages in a civil case afaik, I think equitable remedies like injunctions have to come from a judge
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Mr. Nice! posted:are personal injury attorneys in it for the money? absolutely. i used to work in a pi office. does that mean that the people they work for haven't actually been hurt and deserve compensation? absolutely not. It honestly wasn't until this trial that I even heard of personal injury attorney as a perjorative. I mean you hear about ambulance chasers and all that but this case, the case against Monsanto, and so on you see where people get genuinely hurt and not only need to pay their bills but serve as a solid warning to other bad actors. It makes complete sense to me for a lawyer to specialize in these kinds of insurance / defamation / etc cases.
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I like this summary of AJ's schtick: "Look at what Alex is doing. He's got an inaccurate piece of information he doesn't fully understand, and he's using that lack of knowledge on his part to insist there MUST be a conspiracy. Because of this incorrect information there are two possibilities: Either the government did this or they're covering up who did because they let it happen. There isn't a third possibility to him that he ever considers, and that is almost alway the correct one; that he doesn't know what he's talking about and he's wrong. This is the same poo poo with his Sandy Hook stuff. All of it was based on incorrect information that he'd decided to accept as true so that he could claim there were anomolies with the shooting that would justify him calling it a false flag so he could pretend that the Government was using mass shootings to push gun control. He's kind of a one trick pony and that one trick is being wrong." Knowledge Fight episode #707 at 1:19:00
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Robo Reagan posted:ironic jones is the one with a crew when the loving witnesses and jurors are the ones who are going to need protection once info wars doxxes them in retaliation Very much this. At this point even if Alex Jones pays everything and makes a very precise statement accepting full responsibility and whole heartedly apologizes, of the kind of mentally ill people he attracts at least one of them will take that as code for "go shoot up these people and a mall, they're all demons."
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So do you think Jones actually bought his own hype or does he still know it’s all bullshit and has to double down as infinitum?
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Frank Frank posted:So do you think Jones actually bought his own hype or does he still know it’s all bullshit and has to double down as infinitum? He makes hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars by telling the mentally ill that he actually needs the money out of their pockets right now to keep the lights on in his studio. He's aware of a lot of the lying. But like, if someone poo poo themselves in public and people clapped and paid them money, they'd eventually manage to pull enough mental gymnastics to convince themselves they're avantgarde performance artists and do it on the reg. The mind will absolutely bend and twist so you can sleep well at night.
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