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Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Poole is the only competent, normal person left in the show and she is surrounded by total morons. Waiting for her to just completely snap.

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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
The gay guy and the Russian guy who is afraid of AIDS are also competent.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Cojawfee posted:

The gay guy and the Russian guy who is afraid of AIDS are also competent.

I'm sympathetic to Will's decision to leverage the success of the Mars mission over queer rights (it's absolutely what I'd do) though he was in effect holding the entire mission hostage in opposition to American hypocrisy.

The Russian can get in the sea though. The AIDS panic is obviously irrational -- he'd already have HIV if Will was a carrier -- and just blatant public reason rationalisation of his homophobia.

Between the firing and Ed arriving with all that extra food, I was honestly expecting Will to defect to Helios.

Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jul 30, 2022

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Niwrad posted:

Poole is the only competent, normal person left in the show and she is surrounded by total morons. Waiting for her to just completely snap.

Poole is Blackadder now

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Wafflecopper posted:

Poole is Blackadder now

Danielle trying to hire Molly to fly a rescue ship to Mars to save them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EfW9znJYjw

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Can someone tell me real quick how this episode was compared to last week so I know how trepidatious to be going in? Thank you

Sivart13
May 18, 2003
I have neglected to come up with a clever title

Escobarbarian posted:

Can someone tell me real quick how this episode was compared to last week so I know how trepidatious to be going in? Thank you

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mobby_6kl posted:

Episode was ok. Better then the previous one at least.

D-Pad posted:

That episode was great. This show is great. Goons can't help but hate.

Jerusalem posted:

I enjoyed this episode way more than last

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

I liked the episode but I really had to fight the urge to skip past the Failson Stevens scenes.

Spacebump posted:

Enjoyed the new episode and excited to see how they close out the season.

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JazzFlight posted:

Man this show completely poo poo the bed. Another bad episode

Nihonniboku posted:

Yeah, it was another pretty boring episode.

blue squares posted:

Show sucks now, confirmed. Could have been a cool episode

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.

Niwrad posted:

The baby plot is worse than any of the Stevens storyline crap. Completely unnecessary and makes Kelly (and NASA) look like total morons.

So far "the baby plot" consists of coworkers rolling eyes at sex noises plus one spoken line at the end of the most recent episode. I'ma wait a minute before deciding it's crap.

Crameltonian posted:

Maybe I could have gone with it if they'd shown any hint of this up until this point, but it feels like this has come completely out of nowhere. They've done this completely the wrong way round, give us some reason to feel bad for Danny before making him the absolute worst. It's just been episode after episode of him being a complete shithead now they hit us with two monologues about how we should feel bad for him and it's far too little, too late.

I agree. And unless the writers called an audible while breaking season 3, presumably this was more or less the plan for awhile, so it's an odd decision.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer

Sivart13 posted:

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Hahah thanks! I’ll go in with some optimism I guess

EvilHawk
Sep 15, 2009

LIVARPOOL!

Klopp's 13pts clear thanks to video ref

Add me to the list of people who thought that was a good episode. It had everything we want: earth drama, space drama, and most importantly engineering drama. Dev coming up with this magical solution ("you've got to go up!" what the gently caress does that mean Dev. Use proper sentences) was a bit telegraphed but it was all good in the end. Ed and Danny had their bubble episode but Danny still hasn't told Ed his bonked his wife so there's future drama there. Some dead redshirts slims down the Mars crew to solve any "what are they going to eat" questions later.

We've got two episodes left and the next one is Coming Home so I expect they will... be trying to get home. The MSAM being out of commission suggests more engineering drama, Kelly probably has to explain to Ed why she was mourning the loss of a Russian guy who claimed he didn't even know her name, and Danny is still going through his withdrawal period.

It wasn't clear to me at the end of the episode - did Will and the Russian guy survive? They made a point of saying they had checked locations twice etc., and I don't remember seeing them in the Hab after (but I might have missed it).

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed
I’m going to be real annoyed if Danny gets away with murdering three people.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Oasx posted:

I’m going to be real annoyed if Danny gets away with murdering three people.

Will gets kicked out of the military in disgrace, Danny gets a medal and his own statue outside of NASA.

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

I'm trying to figure out why they would be trying to go home in the next episode... haven't they only been there for like a week?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

blue squares posted:

I'm trying to figure out why they would be trying to go home in the next episode... haven't they only been there for like a week?

Because everything has been a disaster, the NASA ship has damaged engines, the Russian ship is out floating in deep space, they lost the MSam, a bunch of people died, and the site of potential water they found is currently covered in a giant pile of rocks. They managed to make it to Mars and made history, but at this stage they've lost so much equipment, they have barely any food and it's going to be fairly difficult to get supplies dropped from Phoenix, not to mention all the dead people, that even without Kelly being pregnant they should probably be trying to figure out how to get back to Earth and return officially with a full crew complement and new equipment to better deal with the environment they now know more about.

Mustache Ride
Sep 11, 2001



Doesn't big spinny still require water to make fuel though?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Mustache Ride posted:

Doesn't big spinny still require water to make fuel though?

I thought they just needed methane?

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.

Jerusalem posted:

Danielle trying to hire Molly to fly a rescue ship to Mars to save them:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNWV7T5KlRE

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004

good episode but this show is addicted to drama. we wanted the BSG Ronald Moore but he's been corrupted by Outlander

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!

mistermojo posted:

good episode but this show is addicted to drama. we wanted the BSG Ronald Moore but he's been corrupted by Outlander

BSG had plenty of problem from having seasons padded out to more than 20 episodes. Lots of filler.

I forgot he does Outlander. That show started to poo poo the bed after the daughter was born.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Jerusalem posted:

I thought they just needed methane?

You need hydrogen. CO2 + 2 H2 -> O2 + CH4. The good thing is hydrogen is so light you could take all of it along with you instead of having to crack it out of water, but if you didn't bring it then you'd need the water.

The Phoenix really doesn't make sense the more I think about it though. Refueling on Mars, okay, that's doable. But you'd have to get all that methane and oxygen up to the ship, and the MSAM is a tiny lil thing. It doesn't take a ton of delta-v to get out of Mars orbit and headed back to Earth but it's still going to take a decent burn and what, are you ferrying the propellant up on like 500 trips? The reason Mars Direct or Starship work is the whole ship you're returning to is on the surface filling up its tanks by slowly processing the atmosphere.

Sivart13
May 18, 2003
I have neglected to come up with a clever title

Grand Fromage posted:

Refueling on Mars, okay, that's doable. But you'd have to get all that methane and oxygen up to the ship, and the MSAM is a tiny lil thing.
perhaps they can enter a geosynchronous orbit and extend a very long hose

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Sivart13 posted:

perhaps they can enter a geosynchronous orbit and extend a very long hose

Now we're talking

Unkempt
May 24, 2003

...perfect spiral, scientists are still figuring it out...

bawfuls posted:

Now I’m just wishing we had a KSR Mars Trilogy show instead

I wish we had a KSP mars show as well.

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
After another predictable fuckup, Danny's only chance at survival is to become the first person to siphon fuel directly into orbit.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Grand Fromage posted:

You need hydrogen. CO2 + 2 H2 -> O2 + CH4. The good thing is hydrogen is so light you could take all of it along with you instead of having to crack it out of water, but if you didn't bring it then you'd need the water.

The Phoenix really doesn't make sense the more I think about it though. Refueling on Mars, okay, that's doable. But you'd have to get all that methane and oxygen up to the ship, and the MSAM is a tiny lil thing. It doesn't take a ton of delta-v to get out of Mars orbit and headed back to Earth but it's still going to take a decent burn and what, are you ferrying the propellant up on like 500 trips? The reason Mars Direct or Starship work is the whole ship you're returning to is on the surface filling up its tanks by slowly processing the atmosphere.

What's the rate that hydrogen escapes/boils off at? My recollection is that hydrogen is very difficult to contain in the long term.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

What's the rate that hydrogen escapes/boils off at? My recollection is that hydrogen is very difficult to contain in the long term.

Long term yeah, you can't really contain hydrogen, but it's fine for a while. I don't know the rate but in Zubrin's Mars Direct plan, the MAV brings a hydrogen tank with it and there's no local resource use other than CO2. He's an engineer and the plan is sound so presumably the loss in transit is acceptable.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Thought it was amusing that they did a quick lift-and-shift of Ellen's presidency from Clinton to Obama: "I thought you would fight for people like us, but it's just been compromise after compromise"

Still hate Danny's actor. His read of "Everyone thought he was the ringleader, it was me every time" is so utterly unlike how any human being would say those words I can't believe this motherfucker has ever had an acting class. But the "Gee I wish we had a scene to resemble the Babylon 5 elevator scene" scene was generally pretty good. The whole episode was fairly snappy and didn't have any weird draggy bits, people were competent where it counted (springing into action to do emergency brain surgery for example), and everyone involved had some good character development moments, especially Dev and Margo.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

I don't know, I guess I'm easy to please, but I liked this episode quite a bit. Out of nowhere they made me kind of like Dev, and at least pity Jimmy and Danny. Ed had an epiphany about his toxic masculinity AND Karen got confronted about using Danny. I think she was being honest at the same time, though. She had the affair generally for the reasons she stated, but she chose Danny in particular because she trusted him.

Maybe Jimmy will go on their version of the O'Reilly Factor and expose the Deep State plot to bring abortion to Mars by working with communists being carried out by secret gays.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I think I pity Jimmy, because he seems like a decent kid, he just falls into the wrong crowd and lets them tell him what to think. Danny is just a shitter and deserves no sympathy. Jimmy cares about the people at NASA, was just tricked into thinking they are lying to him about what happened to his parents. Danny abuses drugs and alcohol, cheats on his wife, doesn't take his job seriously, and got several people killed.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Cojawfee posted:

Jimmy cares about the people at NASA, was just tricked into thinking they are lying to him about what happened to his parents.

I mean, they actually are lying to him.

I'm increasingly convinced this season ends with Danny performing another successful (or semi-successful) coverup, and a significant thread going into next season will concern a conflict between the two brothers over what exactly happened up in space. It's too juicy to the generational themes / inherited trauma stuff the show's been pursuing the last few years.

Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jul 31, 2022

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Danny would have been a fascinating character if they didn't make him so cartoonishly evil for most of the season. A guy who fucks up, but it's mostly because he has a drug/alcohol problem from the trauma he experienced growing up. And people looking the other way in regards to those problems out of guilt.

Instead they wrote him to be a soap opera villain and it is such a comically bad character on an otherwise good show.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

I liked this ep a hell of a lot more than the last yeah. Only big eye rolls was dev walking in the room and instantly having the solution, and Danny starting to reveal the affair just before the explosion goes off.

Sivart13
May 18, 2003
I have neglected to come up with a clever title

DamnGlitch posted:

and Danny starting to reveal the affair just before the explosion goes off.
I have no desire to actually see this conversation play out, so I'm fine with Danny continually almost saying it as a hilarious reoccurring motif

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Yeah I don't need that, the problem was how cliche it was. My GF literally said "and now the bomb goes off" and then it did.

fischtick
Jul 9, 2001

CORGO, THE DESTROYER

Fun Shoe
Lol that they’re on a 3 year coed mission and nobody has birth control. Maybe they did and Ed’s gonna be space grandpa to a miracle space baby whose Midichlorian count is off the charts.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

bawfuls posted:

Now I’m just wishing we had a KSR Mars Trilogy show instead
Yeah me too, would be 100% more interesting than wherever this is going

Unkempt posted:

I wish we had a KSP mars show as well.
Isn't this already what it is? Need to get to Mars? Just strap some bigass engines to an orbital space station :jeb:

fischtick posted:

Lol that they’re on a 3 year coed mission and nobody has birth control. Maybe they did and Ed’s gonna be space grandpa to a miracle space baby whose Midichlorian count is off the charts.
They'll have an Apollo 13 scene with mission control brainstorming how to do an abobo in space with the random junk they would have in the habitat.

Drunk in Space
Dec 1, 2009
There have been several abortive attempts at a Mars trilogy show over the years. It's too bad they can't seem to make something happen even in this modern age of Bezos bucks and Netflix Originals. Hell Apple TV+ themselves basically already gave us a taste of space elevator collapse in Foundation.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Maybe they haven’t invented effective birth control in this universe, they focused on inventing Viagra ahead of time

Cataffy
Aug 12, 2008
It don't see how a proper high budget adaption of the Mars Trilogy could happen, given its very socialist politics. Capitalism is basically the villain of the series, whatever is made would be super water downed.

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Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

mobby_6kl posted:

They'll have an Apollo 13 scene with mission control brainstorming how to do an abobo in space with the random junk they would have in the habitat.

If they use an Omega Speedmaster to time any part of it, their timeline will have a whole slew of special edition watches.

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