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We already have all the fusion we need. It’s called the sun.
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Jul 30, 2022 15:10
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We're gonna take it from the top how fossil fuel dependant creating the components for solar generation is, aren't we...
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Jul 30, 2022 15:17
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Trabisnikof posted:We already have all the fusion we need. It’s called the sun.
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Jul 30, 2022 15:17
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Trabisnikof posted:We already have all the fusion we need. It’s called the sun. Yeah but people keep getting it for free and try as I might I can't set myself up as a middleman to take a cut 
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Jul 30, 2022 15:17
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The complete and total lack of effort on the part of people with power to save the planet is incredibly interesting
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Jul 30, 2022 15:34
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Egg Moron posted:The complete and total lack of effort on the part of people with power to save the planet is incredibly interesting Nah. It's the same old issue as with cops. Power attracts assholes and being born into it can really gently caress you up too
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Jul 30, 2022 15:36
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The thing about every other method of power generation outside of fossil fuels is that you can't take it with you, and you can't concentrate it That makes them incompatible with capitalism
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Jul 30, 2022 15:38
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Egg Moron posted:The complete and total lack of effort on the part of people with power to save the planet is incredibly interesting what ever do you mean? the ruling class and Capital have been tirelessly waging a bloody crusade to contain the working class and humanity's response to the problem for over a century, almost certainly representing the most effort that has ever gone into any project, ever.
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Jul 30, 2022 15:44
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gradenko_2000 posted:The thing about every other method of power generation outside of fossil fuels is that you can't take it with you, and you can't concentrate it yep. Capital needs energy to be both mobile and dense, and nuclear power is only one of those.
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Jul 30, 2022 15:46
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Trabisnikof posted:Yeah why would fusion mean we’d stop burning fossil fuels unless you mean the magical kind of fusion that’s “too cheap to meter”. lmao imagine thinking that if aliens came down and handed us a technology that just spat out infinite free energy that we wouldn't declare it the property of jeff bezos who would happily charge everyone $1/kwh to use it and ban all other energy production "for the environment".
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Jul 30, 2022 15:47
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The responsibility for the problem is too widely diffused across organizations to make a Muskian effort against biosphere collapse work. Even if some portion of bourgeoisie weren't blinded by ideology the likelihood of failure and social ostracism would deter most from demanding concerted action. It's easier in the present to either ignore the problem or say it isn't your department.
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Jul 30, 2022 15:51
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Egg Moron posted:The complete and total lack of effort on the part of people with power to save the planet is incredibly interesting it's pretty straightforward: they know they'll be in the last livable areas and the figure the end will come slow enough that their kids and grandkids will also be in those last livable areas. it's not the absolute wealth that matters, it's the relative wealth. destroying the earth and condemning billions to die just makes your life better even if you don't have as many toys as your parents did.
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Jul 30, 2022 15:54
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They're escaping into the oceans. They're going to live as the sea people of the new human race and wait out the crises on the surface.
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Jul 30, 2022 15:58
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Zodium posted:what ever do you mean? the ruling class and Capital have been tirelessly waging a bloody crusade to contain the working class and humanity's response to the problem for over a century, almost certainly representing the most effort that has ever gone into any project, ever.
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Jul 30, 2022 16:01
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mediaphage posted:lol gently caress off you thin-skinned millionaire. like a prettier elon musk, just need to put out a press release because the poors might be saying something mean Musk ain’t pretty.
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Jul 30, 2022 16:04
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Perry Mason Jar posted:They're escaping into the oceans. They're going to live as the sea people of the new human race and wait out the crises on the surface. all the aliens flying their ufos out of the ocean will probably have something to say about that 
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Jul 30, 2022 16:04
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Dysthymia posted:Musk ain’t pretty. Beauty is in the eye of the behodler.
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Jul 30, 2022 16:10
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The state of renewables in the US https://twitter.com/LookedExpensive/status/1552179902136233984
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Jul 30, 2022 16:51
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can’t we install a better heat sink and funnel it all up and out?
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Jul 30, 2022 17:04
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Going to be funny when science figures out planet bound fusion is somehow literally impossible or something
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Jul 30, 2022 17:07
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Finite resources do not support infinite resource exploitation, that much is obvious. humans, however, have access to vast sums of energy via the sun and internal earth processes, as well as the capacity to reach out to the solar system if the shortage of any other resources were depleted on earth. We could already do this but for the niggling fact that the cost to exploit extra-terrestrial resources is higher than the current value of those resources. Regardless, raw material extraction and manufacturing is only a portion of overall economic activity, and a fairly small portion at that. The majority of growth over the past 50 years is in non-resource-dependent industries, which theoretically is not tightly bound by finite resource constraints. In fact, what we are finding now is numerous Western industries determining that their primary operational constraint is not natural resource availability but the lack of accessible human capital. There are too few humans for the available jobs.
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Jul 30, 2022 17:27
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A Bakers Cousin posted:Going to be funny when science figures out planet bound fusion is somehow literally impossible or something around the time I was born they were saying commercial fusion power was 2 decades away when I turned 20 they were saying commercial fusion power was 2 decades away now I'm over 40 and they're saying commercial fusion power is 4 decades away
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Jul 30, 2022 17:29
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I never thought about the natural result of "too cheap to meter" fusion being that capital would then devise an energy beam to cut sections of the earth out like a pie and get the rest of the coal more quickly, but of course that's exactly what would take place
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Jul 30, 2022 17:35
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Coal initiated fusion drive.
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Jul 30, 2022 17:36
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IAMKOREA posted:Finite resources do not support infinite resource exploitation, that much is obvious. humans, however, have access to vast sums of energy via the sun and internal earth processes, as well as the capacity to reach out to the solar system if the shortage of any other resources were depleted on earth. We could already do this but for the niggling fact that the cost to exploit extra-terrestrial resources is higher than the current value of those resources. [hysterical laughter]
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Jul 30, 2022 17:42
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Industries such as...................................
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Jul 30, 2022 17:43
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humans -> oil (human oil press) oil -> Honda ASIMO (labor) reverse as necessary according to production needs and migrant flows
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Jul 30, 2022 17:46
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the white hand posted:humans -> oil *eyes become dollar signs* the white hand posted:(human oil press) oh
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Jul 30, 2022 17:57
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A Bakers Cousin posted:Industries such as................................... It was a hacker news post so I'm assuming industries such as Airbnb lol
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Jul 30, 2022 18:06
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the white hand posted:I never thought about the natural result of "too cheap to meter" fusion being that capital would then devise an energy beam to cut sections of the earth out like a pie and get the rest of the coal more quickly, but of course that's exactly what would take place welcome 2 da jevons paradox, binch it's part of the reason why renewables supplement, not replace, fossil fuel power generation
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Jul 30, 2022 18:15
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IAMKOREA posted:It was a hacker news post so I'm assuming industries such as Airbnb lol Gotta be tech or finance, if we ignore the hardware in tech and finance, and the joules of energy used. Bullshit jobs dont exists because those jobs lack material inputs.
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Jul 30, 2022 18:16
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mediaphage posted:lol gently caress off you thin-skinned millionaire. like a prettier elon musk, just need to put out a press release because the poors might be saying something mean there are several key differences between swift and musk. musk has little to no talent and has never been exploited for his labor and/or creative output, for example.
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Jul 30, 2022 18:23
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mawarannahr posted:there are several key differences between swift and musk. musk has a penis, for example.
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Jul 30, 2022 18:31
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mawarannahr posted:there are several key differences between swift and musk. musk has little to no talent and has never been exploited for his labor and/or creative output, for example. Just say you have a boner for swift instead
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Jul 30, 2022 18:35
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 swift is an international monetary system or something according to the doomsday economics threadand musk is just a strong fragrance. im very confused
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Jul 30, 2022 18:38
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mawarannahr posted:there are several key differences between swift and musk. musk has little to no talent and has never been exploited for his labor and/or creative output, for example. how is that a difference once you're a capitalist, anyway
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Jul 30, 2022 18:41
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musk’s pen0r and private airplanes are highly interrelated… 🧐
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Jul 30, 2022 18:42
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the white hand posted:how is that a difference once you're a capitalist, anyway she has experienced the suffering of work and now makes others suffer and exploits them
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Jul 30, 2022 18:43
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Fusion is probably possible, we can make net positive reactions in a lab setting, but not viable under capitalism. It's like an even more extreme version of fission economically, massive capital investment, practically no marginal cost, meaning metering wouldnt be worthwhile. A fusion plant would never 'turn a profit'
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Jul 30, 2022 18:43
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here comes the spoiler for the useless climate bill
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